jyoti is an idiot - Page 2

Originally posted by: Vrisha

But her kid will need a father as well. Had Jyoti not been pregnant, I'd have agreed w/ you above. But I don't agree now, since she's neither aborting, nor adopting it out, nor re-marrying. Being a parent is hard enough: being a single parent is next to impossible, and reason for a great deal of sociological tensions in societies where it's endemic.

My concerns about remarrying ... although I have seen in Canada that men accept children of other men as their own and raise them and have a very special bond in them, I don't see or even agree that indian men will do that. So when we talk of Jyoti remarrying and what's best for the child, did anyone ever take this into account? Will Kabir be able to completely accept another man's child as his own? And, if Jyoti and he have other children, who will be favoured? Won't this just turn into another Padma relationship where her children were more important to her over those of her elder sister?

Jyoti seems to have double standards. Wasn't Sushma in a similar situation where she wanted to complete her studies and become independent, however it was Jyoti who pushed her to go back to Brij who's crimes are argueably much worse than Pankaj's. So why is it that Jyoti gets to do what she wants but Sushma does what Jyoti wants because Jyoti is always right? (I am in no way questioning Jyoti's decision to be independent-I think it is good to be strong, I'm merely pointing out her inconsistency in dealing with herself with regards to what she prescribes for others.)

I completely agree w/ this. Also, what's it w/ Jyoti's moral sense - that it's wrong to adopt out one's kid? Sushma's track was going fine w/o dragging back Brij - she could have given that baby to Sarika (incidentally, where is Sarika now?), aced her exams, done her bachelors and then found a job. Instead, Jyoti emotionally blackmailed her into going back to Brij.

Originally posted by: nams214

Jyoti seems to have double standards. Wasn't Sushma in a similar situation where she wanted to complete her studies and become independent, however it was Jyoti who pushed her to go back to Brij who's crimes are argueably much worse than Pankaj's. So why is it that Jyoti gets to do what she wants but Sushma does what Jyoti wants because Jyoti is always right? (I am in no way questioning Jyoti's decision to be independent-I think it is good to be strong, I'm merely pointing out her inconsistency in dealing with herself with regards to what she prescribes for others.)

But I do think Jyoti shouldn't cut out the possibility of remarriage completely. Being married doesn't mean that she can't still work independently and earn money and support her child, it just means she will have some companionship along the way. And the situation with Kabir is completely different to the first time. Her first marriage was based on lies-it was like a pack of cards that was waiting to come tumbling down. I remember thinking at the time that she should have told Pankaj everything from the start. This time, Kabir knows absolutely everything about her situation and the history of her family-much better basis for a relationship of trust.

Yeah, everything she did wrong w/ Pankaj, she didn't even have to do here - Kabir found out about Pankaj from her, her pregnancy from those guests, Brij from Brij himself (hopefully the whole truth), and he already knows the ugliest things about Jyoti there are to be known. So there is no pre-existing baggage that may one day damage her, the way it did w/ Pankaj (although he's now in repentant mode, and trying to break free from Neelam. This time, I'm on Bhairavi's side).

I do agree w/ some other posters though, that while it's not necessarily true, Kabir may end up not liking Pankaj's kid, or if he has kids of his own, he'll be partial to them over Pankaj's kid. I mean, look @ Padma - Jyoti & Sudha ain't just her step-daughters, they are her neices, for crying out loud, but for her, they were always golden geese (in Sudha's case, she was a servant while unmarried, and a goose once she married into the Vashists). If Padma can be like that w/ Jyoti & Sudha, why should Jyoti believe that Kabir will be that way w/ Pankaj's kid, who has genetically nothing in common w/ him?

Originally posted by: nams214

Jyoti seems to have double standards. Wasn't Sushma in a similar situation where she wanted to complete her studies and become independent, however it was Jyoti who pushed her to go back to Brij who's crimes are argueably much worse than Pankaj's. So why is it that Jyoti gets to do what she wants but Sushma does what Jyoti wants because Jyoti is always right? (I am in no way questioning Jyoti's decision to be independent-I think it is good to be strong, I'm merely pointing out her inconsistency in dealing with herself with regards to what she prescribes for others.)

Yes, of course,
to tell you the truth, this post of yours made me lose all my sympathies for Jyoti and diverted them to Pankaj 😔
And I'll tell you the reasons for it......
Ok yaar, we know what Pankaj did was wrong, he should've trusted Jyoti, but we should also remember,

1. Pankaj is blind and he could judge things only by hearing and could only hear what Brij and Jyoti were SPEAKING, not what Brij was actually doing. Yes, I know Pankaj was her husband and it was his responsiblity to trust Jyoti and not Brij, but his vision proved a major hindrance. Nahi to wo kehte hain na chehra kabhi jhooth nahi bolta, if Pankaj would've been able to see, he could've seen Jyoti's reality much earlier and not relied on Bhairavi for support.

And please guys, I don't want an addition here that Pankaj is a blind loser who never deserved Jyoti, coz when they got married, it was Jyoti who needed Pankaj after getting deceived by Brij, more than Pankaj needed her, and if Kabir has done a lot for her now, so had Pankaj, before the got married and after that too.

2. He had been under the sole guidance of Bhairavi since ages while Jyoti was with him only for a couple of months, if he had to choose, maternal affection would reign supreme.
Adding to it, coz of Bhairavi's inclusion in Brij's scheme, it was easier for Brij to convince Pankaj, and I think if Bhairavi would've been at home when Pankaj had caught Neelam, she could've even taught Neelam to escape getting caught by Pankaj, what say?😆

3. Jyoti hid the truth initially, if she would've told Pankaj before the marriage, he would've protected her(or atleast tried to 😉) from Brij's blackmail. Coz he had understood her and supported her in every other thing she did or wanted to do before.

Yes, I know Pankaj is not easy to forgive, but if Jyoti can forgive the main culprit Brij and forgive him convincingly enough to give her sister back to him, she should also forgive Pankaj.
And yes people, you do not need to be TERMINALLY ILL if you want someone to forgive you, do you?

I don't want a Jyoti-Pankaj re-union. But if, just ifffffffffffff it had to happen, just like Sushma-Brij 'had to' happen, then the minimum condition that must be there - that Bhairavi leave! Jyoti should make clear in no uncertain terms that she was always tense in that house due to Bhairavi, and now, in addition to her, her fetus would be getting the repercussions, none of which she needs.

Another speculation some people had was that at the end of the serial, Jyoti dies, and donates her eyes to Pankaj. I'd actually prefer that ending to Jyoti re-marrying Pankaj. That way, Jyoti doesn't get any more grief, Pankaj gets his sight back and can reflect on whether the cost of regaining his sight was worth it, and at least, a miscarriage of justice can be avoided.

If they show both Pankaj & Bhairavi becoming sadhus, I'll stop watching. Although, by then, that may well be redundant, since the serial itself will be over.

Oh, those riches will probably be in Neelam's hands by the time Pankaj is done divorcing her. CM will probably have to start taking loans from the Bharadwajs 🤣