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Posted: 9 years ago
Akka,

I am not an expert in these matters, but I have heard it said that the producers of any show monitor viewers' forums like the IF to get feedback about the response to their show. It is a whittled down version of the TRPs, and it would be logical for the producers to tweak the story line, even if only slightly, in order to soothe irate fans who vent their anger here, just as they do when there are major TRP oscillations.

But that is not the issue here. It is rather whether a writer is sure enough of her/his creation to be able to absorb criticism of the characters she/he has brought to life here. If not, then the writer will be pushed this way and that by adverse criticism,and will end up like the fable of the man, his son and the donkey.

I was sure Lashy would do no such thing, and I was glad to have that confirmed from the horse's mouth,so to speak. I would not see her as so fragile that her characters have to be wrapped in cotton wool and kept safe from any critiques till the tale is wound up.

And what does one do then? One cannot start analysing the characters once the story is over, that too in one large indigestible lump. There will be no interest in them any longer. Which means that the novel would be left to its own devices as far as character analysis goes, and the writer will not benefit from any constructive criticism during the period of serialisation of the novel.

In any case, though I have not read thru the 150 odd pages of comments on each thread, even a casual look thru seems to show only warm praise of Lashy's handling of this story and its characters. I simply cannot imagine anyone writing a harshly negative review of this tale! Any such reaction would be purely motivated,and the last thing a writer should do would be to fall into a depression because of that. In Lashy's place, I would simply ignore it.

If you are hinting at what I wrote, very strongly, about the violation of Durga being totally avoidable, Akka, that was not about any character, but about Lashy's handling of the narrative, and would thus fit into your Allowed list. in any case, she put up a stout defence!

As for me, I will carry on as before, for that is the only way I know to analyse a chapter or chapters, and I am sure my Lashykanna will bear with me!

As for giving her encouragement, I do not think my detailed analysis of Heera's character in this thread could have failed to give her a solid shot in the arm, for Heera is her brainchild after all.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: karkuzhali

My dear Shyamala,
In the case of Jodha Akbar or any other show, whatever you or I write is not going to the notice of the production team. Hence whatever we discussed about the episode would not have had any effect on the future episodes of the show. I don't agree that Akbar's character went down rock bottom because the production team tried to modify the story on public demand, a stated by Sandya. Plus the viewership of any TV serial is more than the readership of a story in this forum. Here every comment or remark is seen and answered by Lashy and it will definitely have effect on her.
Shyamala, Sandya and Lashy, I did not cut any portion of my original post, I simply deleted a word that was redundant in the context.

Yours,
Saraswathi Akka.


QUOTE=sashashyam]
Well, my dear Akka, I do not know what you have edited and why, but I presume that you have toned it down somewhat! But why? Neither is Lashy nor am I so thin-skinned as to be upset by well meant dissent! So please do not apologise for stating your views, not now, not any other time.

As for me, if I was to follow your regulations, I would not have been able to do a single one of my Jodha Akbar episode analyses, which were the same thing as commenting on the chapters of a story. How could I analyse the episode, or the situations, without analysing the characters? They are after all the core of the tale, and I for one cannot simply comment on the style. What would I say each time, that it was wonderful, awesome, mindblowing et al? I would soon run out of both interest and adjectives!😉

My stand is that once a writer puts her/his work in the public domain, it is fair game for any kind of dissection and comment, provided it is not malicious. And as for my Lashykanna, she is a tough cookie, and I am sure she is not going to change her story line because of negative comments about her lead pair or indeed anything else. She is not Ekta Kapoor, a TRP-driven weather vane! You are, are you not, Lashykanna?

Shyamala



Edited by sashashyam - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago

Thank you for the reply, Shyamala.
I do not mean anything particular about your review, I meant it only in general.. Not that I have underestimated your review or Lashy's writing. In fact I find it interesting to read the comments of all the readers here . Perhaps I am just a five- year- old in the elite circle! 😕! May be I can only feel and can't express!

Yours

Saraswathi Akka.


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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: lashy

Why periyamma? 😊

It was your perspective, that's all... nothing that anyone should mistake... and to a large extent, you've written from the writer's viewpoint... so, it was touching..
Yes, it is a challenge when readers misunderstand/judge characters before the story unfolds further.. especially in those instances where scenes will continue till another few chapters..
... so yes, I do agree with you...

but, on the other hand... I understand, as Shyamala periyamma has also outlined... that probably everyone reads and reacts to material differently...😊

Some see only akbar-heera and their chemistry.. some the political aspects alone.. some drop in a line or don't do even do that for many chapters.. and some write at lengths..

More worrying than having to meet expectations is the 'falling into a slump' that comes after a harsh/negative review... I will confess, I am not as tough as periyamma is/makes me out to be😆... After all, it is my brainchild, hardwork and creativity being judged in an open platform... so, it does take a day or two to steel myself and write again...

But yes.. I cannot change the story Shyamala periyamma... the 60 chapters have been outlined and cannot be amended, esp since it has a mystery element which wouldn't make sense if changed...

My hope is that by the end of the story, I can get the readers to see the characters as they were meant to be and the story from my point of view...

🤗

Thank you both for being so encouraging!


We had a wonderful writer, poet and bard Bulat Okudzhava. He wrote poems, songs, novels. One of his songs is called: "I'm writing a historical novel." There is remarkable words:

Everyone writes what he hears
Everyone hears as he breathes
As he breathes -- also he writes
He not trying to please
So nature has wanted
Why is not our business
Why not for us to judge

Spaces was blue
The imagination was a lot
And from my own destiny
I pulled out a thread
I saw off in the way of the characters
I explored of the past

The imagination is not cheating
The plan has not yet a point
Give to finish a novel
Until the last leaf

I apologize to Bulat Shalvovich and all people of my untalented and unskillful translation. Words of poem is wonderful.
Just for some reason I sure, that Lashy can't refuse, as she sees her characters.
And sometimes the writers report that the characters come out of obedience and behave as they want. 😃
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53Onthc_7iM
This is applies to all reviews. sorry is my opinion. 😊 The most interesting - different opinions, right? 🤗

Edited by alffim - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
Dear Zhanna,
A very beautiful and a very apt reply. I always admire your posts, when you quote Russian sayings and compare them with the stories said in this forum.
I listened to the song, and its serenity moved the heart. Though I could not understand the words, your translation helped me to enjoy it! I particularly liked the last stanza. It exactly applies to Lashy.👏

"The imagination is not cheating
The plan has not yet a point
Give to finish a novel
Until the last leaf"

But I also like this one.

"Everyone writes what he hears
Everyone hears as he breathes
As he breathes-- also he writes
He not trying to please
So nature has wanted
Why is not our business
Why not for us to judge..."

My remix of the above is...

"Everyone writes what she thinks
But Zhanna writes what she feels,
As she writes --- also she quotes,
She is not trying to please any
But writes what she wants to write
Why not make it our business--
Why not read, appreciate and applaud?"


Thank you Zhanna,

Yours
Saraswathi Aunty.




Originally posted by: alffim


We had a wonderful writer, poet and bard Bulat Okudzhava. He wrote poems, songs, novels. One of his songs is called: "I'm writing a historical novel." There is remarkable words:

Everyone writes what he hears
Everyone hears as he breathes
As he breathes -- also he writes
He not trying to please
So nature has wanted
Why is not our business
Why not for us to judge

Spaces was blue
The imagination was a lot
And from his own destiny
I pulled out a thread
I saw off in the way of the characters
I explored of the past

The imagination is not cheating
The plan has not yet a point
Give to finish a novel
Until the last leaf

I apologize to Bulat Shalvovich and all people of my untalented and unskillful translation. Words of poem is wonderful.
Just for some reason I sure, that Lashy can't refuse, as she sees her characters.
And sometimes the writers report that the characters come out of obedience and behave as they want. 😃
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53Onthc_7iM
This is applies to all reviews. sorry is my opinion. 😊 The most interesting - different opinions, right? 🤗

Edited by karkuzhali - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
Actually, Akka, you express your thoughts and views very well and clearly. It is just that sometimes I do not agree with you, and I have tried to explain why this is so in this particular case.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: karkuzhali


Thank you for the reply, Shyamala.
I do not mean anything particular about your review, I meant it only in general.. Not that I have underestimated your review or Lashy's writing. In fact I find it interesting to read the comments of all the readers here . Perhaps I am just a five- year- old in the elite circle! 😕! May be I can only feel and can't express!

Yours

Saraswathi Akka.


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Posted: 9 years ago
The effect of the two words @bold just got multiplied by thousand!

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Thank you, my little Shagun! I can do with some intelligent company, and then you are such a skillful writer yourself that you can spot and suitably appreciate these aspects of Lashy's creations.

If you look at back at the really excellent works of fiction or films, you will see that they all share this same quality.

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: lashy

@ Shagun

'Our author' ☺️ awww couldn't read past that!



Aww...🤗

It does sound so good! 😳
IshqHaiWoEhsaas thumbnail
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Posted: 9 years ago

I have associated it with mysterious almost always...since heroes with dark skin...🤔😆
alffim thumbnail
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Posted: 9 years ago
Dear Saraswathi Di!
Thank you very much! For me great honored that you have devoted to me these words! I have always admired your talent. Your children and grandchildren (and us here) are very lucky. 😃 It is wonderful that there is an Internet space, because that wrote "Baby Sarasa" and your the poems-reflection is remarkable!
I'm very, very glad that you like our Bulat Okudzhava. He was a very special poet. It would seem: simply a middle-aged man with a guitar (not a young and handsome boy) - he was collecting huge halls. His poems were recited and sung all over the country and still sung. The song is about his historical-adventure novel "Journey of dilettantes".

Originally posted by: karkuzhali

Dear Zhanna,
A very beautiful and a very apt reply. I always admire your posts, when you quote Russian sayings and compare them with the stories said in this forum.
I listened to the song, and its serenity moved the heart. Though I could not understand the words, your translation helped me to enjoy it! I particularly liked the last stanza. It exactly applies to Lashy.👏

"The imagination is not cheating
The plan has not yet a point
Give to finish a novel
Until the last leaf"

But I also like this one.

"Everyone writes what he hears
Everyone hears as he breathes
As he breathes-- also he writes
He not trying to please
So nature has wanted
Why is not our business
Why not for us to judge..."

My remix of the above is...

"Everyone writes what she thinks
But Zhanna writes what she feels,
As she writes --- also she quotes,
She is not trying to please any
But writes what she wants to write
Why not make it our business--
Why not read, appreciate and applaud?"


Thank you Zhanna,

Yours
Saraswathi Aunty.




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Posted: 9 years ago
Very very very sweet gesture zhanna...🤗
and obviously, Saraswathi periyamma is an expert at poetry and parody...so need one say that her twist to it, would make for a lovely read? 🤗

Thank you also for the sweet compliments paid through it... both of you 🤗
I checked out the youtube link too, Zhanna,... you're right he seems to be a very simple man! 😊

Shagun... is flying 😉 😆

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