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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Coolpree



Thanks so much for the coordinates for your hallmarks posts. I will definitely come back and read them again. You made me cry with the "tumse Hamara Wajood" post and the post before that! We perhaps got a glimpse of that epic Luv story we were all desperately searching for in your writings on those memorable episodes. And Aah yes! Who can forget Shakespearean Heights!
Simply Brilliant!

=sashashyam]My dearest Preeti,

Of course we will, regroup over another show, I mean. I can't wait for it! Thank you for being here; I have rarely met anyone with so much calm good sense as you have.

I have dug up the co-ordinates of my own favourite posts for Devki in the post above. If you have the time, after you get back from India, take a look, not just at the posts themselves, but at the very vigorous discussions that followed. It was tremendous fun while it lasted.

I am sorry to learn that you were all down with the 'flu, it can be very debilitating. And if you are now going down to Rajasthan, which will be very cold, being near the desert, you will have to take extra care not to fall ill again. Have a E


lot of fun at the weddings, and see you in the new year!

Warmest regards.

Shyamala



Bold and underlined - My sentiments exactly!

Have a great time in India, Preeti!
Ashwinee
Edited by Ash67 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
Yes, Ashwinee, it was quite late and I was duly thankful that Saraswathi Akka, with whom I had been exchanging messages just before I wrote to you, did not get after me for that! I went to sleep immediately afterwards.

Yes, Jalal was wonderful in that scene, and your analysis of the microshades on his face and eyes is impeccable. And towards the end, he half closes his eyes in pure bliss, the sukoon he mentions from time to time. Then when he says: Begum nahin, malika! Hunar ki malika!!, he is still in that half trance, so the words are softer than usual, and spoken almost to himself, not so much to Jodha.

I am sure not even 10% of his TV audience would have noted these delicate nuances. Why 10%, not even 1%. An actor of his caliber is simply wasted here. I cannot understand why he has not been grabbed by a good director, while our aging "superstars" still hang in there and refuse to go away.😉 On the big screen, his acting calibre will show up very clearly, and the audience, shut into the dark theatre, would be forced to notice it.

To revert, see Jodha's response! It was so flat and it had nothing of the sudden pleasure that she must have felt at such unexpected and heartfelt praise, to be immediately followed by a pulling back. There was such a mismatch between the two of them. Rajat's Jalal is so far ahead, as loveamine wrote on my thread in 2013, that he walks alone. She meant that for character development, but it is true also for the acting.

When Jalal comes to give her the birthday gift, I remember how snippish and off-putting she was, and for what reason? They had not had a fight then, and if she cannot take a mild joke about the two churis, she should at least observe basic manners. But then she never had any.

OK, I must not start off on my un-favourite subject! Take care, my dear. It is very lucky that you got off relatively lightly with that accident. It must have been a very near run thing. No, it was not painful at all in my case, for I could not remember anything of being hit. I had a mild concussion for 10 days but that too passed. The really painful thing was the nearly 3 months of physiotherapy to restore my wasted shoulder muscles in the left arm after it was in plaster for over 7 months. And in those days, in the mid-70s, the plaster was really heavy!

Bye for now!

Affectionately,

Shyamala Aunty

PS: Yes, the fuchsia is deeper than the colour you have used, but then again, it is the thought that counts!🤗

Originally posted by: Ash67

Dearest Shyamala Aunty,
Thank you for this lovely response.

I went offline to resist the temptation of responding instantly as that would have kept you awake even longer but seems like you are in for a long night😉. I do hope that by the time I finish writing this up you would be, if not asleep, at least, offline as it is quite late at your end.

The rest in your favourite fuschia, though I think the shade is wrong.

Warmest Regards
Ashwinee

Edited by sashashyam - 9 years ago

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Posted: 9 years ago

Dear Ashwinee,
Loved reading your post to Shyamala. (Is it legally correct?)

I liked your comment at :
(A). I also enjoyed the scene where Jalal enjoys her music, his face showing his ecstasy of joy, what we call "paravasam" in Tamil. We have to thank our stars that she did not repeat the Rajastani folk song!
But this would have helped him later when he was forced to listen to Thansen's repetitive singing of the same bhajan again and again, adjusting the drone (shruti) with the instrument Veena instead of with the proper tanpura! And also whenever Tansen enters the scene the music played in the background is in South Indian Carnatic style of ragha Abhogi! I am greatly disappointed that we are not lucky enough to enjoy Shyamala's humorous take of the Tansen episodes in the Benazir track.

(B) I think only Shyamala can describe the so-near- a- fatal accident thus in a very lighter and humourous way!

Saraswathi Aunty.


Originally posted by: Ash67

Dearest Shyamala Aunty,
Thank you for this lovely response.

I went offline to resist the temptation of responding instantly as that would have kept you awake even longer but seems like you are in for a long night😉. I do hope that by the time I finish writing this up you would be, if not asleep, at least, offline as it is quite late at your end.

The rest in your favourite fuschia, though I think the shade is wrong.

Warmest Regards
Ashwinee




Edited by karkuzhali - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
shyamala so rightly said that an actor of rajat's calibre can only be appreciated fully on big screen where the viewers are forced to notice his priceless expressions locked in a dark theatre cut off from the rest of the world..and here are lines for this great actor and your writings taken from a soulful song of bajirao mastaani...

tujhe yaad kar liya hai aayat ki tarah
kayam tu ho gayi hai rivayat ki tarah
marte talak rahegi tu adaat ki tarah

mere dil ki raahaton ka tu zariya ban gayi hai
tere ishq ki mere dil main kahin id ban gayi hai
tera zikra ho raha hai ibaadat ki tarah


so apt for rajat don't we mention his calibre as an actor like doing his ibaadat😳..and so well deserving!


Edited by ghalibmirza - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: ghalibmirza

shyamala so rightly said that an actor of rajat's calibre can only be appreciated fully on big screen where the viewers are forced to notice his priceless expressions locked in a dark theatre cut off from the rest of the world..and here are lines for this great actor and your writings taken from a soulful song of bajirao mastaani...


tujhe yaad kar liya hai aayat ki tarah
kayam tu ho gayi hai rivayat ki tarah
marte talak rahegi tu adaat ki tarah

mere dil ki raahaton ka tu zariya ban gayi hai
tere ishq ki mere dil main kahin id ban gayi hai
tera zikra ho raha hai ibaadat ki tarah


so apt for rajat don't we mention his calibre as an actor like doing his ibaadat😳..and so well deserving!



wow wow wow...
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Posted: 9 years ago
Aunty,
Yesterday,I couldn't control my laughter while watching the Tuladaan scene where the ministers exclaim "Subhanallah!Subhanallah!"🤣

Definitely,we are going to miss ur witty,beautiful posts

Thanks for the links of 2013 posts😊.

Take care🤗
Bindu.

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Posted: 9 years ago

First and foremost let me thank you for your brillant takes on intricate details that viewers may have missed in each episode.

The Qila Fiasco

Its very tough to hand over what a parents that too one that has died when you were a child has given you. Yet jalal thought of giving it up less to please rajvanshis and more to please jodha his current obsession. Yet jodha never felt any gratitude towards Akbar and she instead was acting as if she and her family had done a great favour by accepting his ratanpur Qila

The black clothe fiasco

Imagine you swoon out and when you wake up your husband is busy rubbing your hands, what is first thought that comes in mind? How did i reach here? How long i have been unconcious? Did my fainting create panic in my family members etc but no only jodha can think of things like did my husband spend last night with me that too having a suhaag raat when i was unconcious? What sort of nonsense thoughts are these? How cheap can her mentality get? That jodha is so dumb as to not know anything about first night is another stupidity

The religion fiasco

Its true that Akbar went and bent his head in temple and hence maulvis wanted him to abdicate. Still Akbar was firm in not allowing Jodha to change a religion. I mean any other husband will force wifey dear no matter how much love to change religion immediately or face divorce. Again no gratitude from Jodha madam instead she is still thinking of what happened in tent on way back to agra
Maham was a revelation in this track no matter the hatred here still there is sense of duty. After adham dies when she curses Akbar Maham says that today is the only day i have prayed with my heart for you that my curse come into effect. Uff that day atleast she told truth to Akbar about her feelings to him so all this prayer and love was a acting to be in his good books.






Edited by myviewprem - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
My dear Bindu,

I cannot tell you how pleased I am that so many of you, from Saraswathi Akka to a kid like you, all loved that crack about the courtiers' delight that now they would not be asked to make supplementary contributions! The generally limited response to my jokes has always been a matter of disappointment to me, but not this time!

Seriously, it would have been a drain on their purses,poor chaps. No winder Sharifuddin is looking thunderous. And all this fuss for a new begum who has done nothing special as yet.

I am sure you will enjoy my 9 favorite posts, the 10th being for No.31, The Emperor strikes back.

We will all get together sooner than we imagine. I look forward to that.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Bindu_nhbr

Aunty,

Yesterday,I couldn't control my laughter while watching the Tuladaan scene where the ministers exclaim "Subhanallah!Subhanallah!"🤣

Definitely,we are going to miss ur witty,beautiful posts

Thanks for the links of 2013 posts😊.

Take care🤗
Bindu.

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Posted: 9 years ago
Mandy dearest,

I have now convinced that you too have a pitara of shers & nazms like Adiana, from which you pull out choice items from time to time for our delectation. This one is quite simply marvellous! Thak you!!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: ghalibmirza

shyamala so rightly said that an actor of rajat's calibre can only be appreciated fully on big screen where the viewers are forced to notice his priceless expressions locked in a dark theatre cut off from the rest of the world..and here are lines for this great actor and your writings taken from a soulful song of bajirao mastaani...


tujhe yaad kar liya hai aayat ki tarah
kayam tu ho gayi hai rivayat ki tarah
marte talak rahegi tu adaat ki tarah

mere dil ki raahaton ka tu zariya ban gayi hai
tere ishq ki mere dil main kahin id ban gayi hai
tera zikra ho raha hai ibaadat ki tarah


so apt for rajat don't we mention his calibre as an actor like doing his ibaadat😳..and so well deserving!


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Posted: 9 years ago
My dear Prem,

Firstly, it was my pleasure to interact with you all this while, and I am very pleased that you enjoyed my posts so much.

As for the three points you have made here, I agree with them completely. Jodha was not Jalal's strength, she was his weakness. I have discussed this in detail in my post on Episode 104, that of the tulabharam, on page 8 above. It is quite pathetic, the way he hangs around her. As for the way she behaves towards him, in public and in private, no husband of that era, even an ordinary one, would have tolerated it. Jalal is not a wife-beater, otherwise he would have spanked her soundly.

It is noteworthy that in the earlier episodes, soon after her arrival in Agra, she is afraid of him, and so her protests are frightened appeals, not hectoring bhashans like now.Now she has lost all fear of him and she thinks she can ride roughshod over him every single time and get away with it. It is really Jalal's fault that he does not keep her under control.

As for the kaala kapda nonsense, I was appalled by Jodha's single track mind, and not just here.. This again is something inexplicable and unpleasant, and I have discussed it many times in my recent threads. She has a bizarre fixation on the physical side of a marital relationship.

But as for Maham and her sole genuine dua for Jalal, she does say that after Adham's death, but that does not jell with what she tells Adham so many times in private , when she would surely be candid. I think that she does love Jalal, though not as much as she loves Adham, and this lashing out at the end is false, and is due to her desire to hurt Jalal and Jodha as much as she can because of Adham's having been executed. I do not think it is true.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: myviewprem


First and foremost let me thank you for your brillant takes on intricate details that viewers may have missed in each episode.

The Qila Fiasco

Its very tough to hand over what a parents that too one that has died when you were a child has given you. Yet jalal thought of giving it up less to please rajvanshis and more to please jodha his current obsession. Yet jodha never felt any gratitude towards Akbar and she instead was acting as if she and her family had done a great favour by accepting his ratanpur Qila

The black clothe fiasco

Imagine you swoon out and when you wake up your husband is busy rubbing your hands, what is first thought that comes in mind? How did i reach here? How long i have been unconcious? Did my fainting create panic in my family members etc but no only jodha can think of things like did my husband spend last night with me that too having a suhaag raat when i was unconcious? What sort of nonsense thoughts are these? How cheap can her mentality get? That jodha is so dumb as to not know anything about first night is another stupidity

The religion fiasco

Its true that Akbar went and bent his head in temple and hence maulvis wanted him to abdicate. Still Akbar was firm in not allowing Jodha to change a religion. I mean any other husband will force wifey dear no matter how much love to change religion immediately or face divorce. Again no gratitude from Jodha madam instead she is still thinking of what happened in tent on way back to agra
Maham was a revelation in this track no matter the hatred here still there is sense of duty. After adham dies when she curses Akbar Maham says that today is the only day i have prayed with my heart for you that my curse come into effect. Uff that day atleast she told truth to Akbar about her feelings to him so all this prayer and love was a acting to be in his good books.

Edited by sashashyam - 9 years ago

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