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Posted: 9 years ago
#31
My dear Donjas,

My laptop is due back tomorrow or on Wednesday, so I am doing this at a friend's place, as I did yesterday.

Thank you so much for your concern about my health. The pain is much reduced now, but that is because of the steroids, the strength of which has been halved for the past 10 days, and will be halved again from tomorrow for another 15 days. What worries me is what is to happen once this medication is stopped from mid-November. I am hoping for the best and trying to prepare myself for the worst, which is a return to the levels of pain I had 2 weeks ago. Let me see what happens.

As for your interpretation of why Jalal mostly puts up with Jodha's OTT behaviour, I would agree with it in toto. It is the same as his attitude towards Mansingh - who was really obnoxious and downright rude in the early days - and in a different way with the polished and courteous Atgah Khan. He values the fact that they are not sycophants.

But what I do not like in Jodha is that

(a) she has double standards when it comes to judging Jalal: she always thinks the worst of him and clings to that regardless of subsequent clarifications, as with the case of the little Hindu boy, where she clearly does not believe even what her BFF Salima tells her!

Plus nothing that affects Jalal badly, like the horrors of his childhood in Kabul, touches her in the least. When he tells her about how Maham saves him from the cannon fire, she simply brushes that aside. That is very bad, for it shows rank insensitivity when it comes to her husband.

And then (b) she is self-righteous to a fault, and then she will not apologise even when she has been grossly in the wrong, as with the narnaal affair. In that case, she NEVER says sorry to him for having nearly got him killed. But she happily accepts Hamida's plaudits for having saved his life with her lep! That is a joke if ever there was one!

Not only that, she is repeatedly appallingly rude to Jalal in public, as at the Meena Bazaar. If she were to snub him in private, that is one thing, but such public rudeness to her pati in public reflects very poorly on her,

I will stop here, and not go into my main khunnas against her, that she swans around claiming all the privileges of a Shahi Begum, but thinks she can keep Jalal permanently on a string like a compliant poodle, or rather a friend without benefits!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Donjas

I hope I find you in this festive season in good spirits. I also hope that the pain is under control and medication and yoga is being effective.

Now for my feedback on your wonderful analysis.

1 That psychological insight into the devious but troubled mind of Maham was just the reason why I treasure your write ups so much. Maham was magisterial in her one woman act. A true Jekyl and Hyde but much more complicated.

2 Regarding royal blood, I think that argument does not hold sway. Most new dynasties come into play when a general or some close relative kills off the king and assumes control. The history of India and China is littered with many such examples. Sometimes, you don't even need your king to be dead, like Hemu, the general of Adil Shah Suri, who declared himself King even though his own sovereign was alive and kicking.

3 Jodha's behavior on occasions has been over the top. But that has always been a part of her personality.

Let us take the example of Akbar, people quaked in their boots at the sight of him, but suppose there was one person who was not frightened, who even gave the occasional tantrum in his presence. In most situations such behavior would have meant an early grave for our unruly protagonist. But if for some reason it did not, then this person would enjoy unlimited influence with the Emperor.

A voice of humanity in a sea of sycophants. The attraction of such a person for an Emperor would be immense, if the right buttons were pressed.

In this viewpoint, the belligerent behavior of Jodha on many occasions is almost suicidal, but maybe it is this very behavior, a unique experience fo Jalal, which he finds so compelling about her.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Shyamala,

Please don't lose heart! Since it is a re-run, the suspense, the thrill, the guess, the prediction etc will be naturally missing now. Even then, there are quite some regular members , who voice their views strongly making the forum interesting.
And also probably the members feel that any amount of discussion now is not going to make any change in the treatment of the story by the CVs. But I am sure that at least for quite some more episodes, the JA forum will be active .
Another reason is, you are the fulcrum around which the whole forum is revolving. Once you start doing your write ups regularly, I am sure you will be getting increased number of responses.

Cheer up!

Saraswathi Akka.


Originally posted by: sashashyam

Yes, my dear Saraswathi Akka, and I do appreciate that!

But even with all their efforts, my current threads look like Jodha's tulsi plant during her vanvaas. Thin, languishing and just barely alive! It is not my fault or that of the readers. It is just that so many of the energetic, vocal and mischievous readers have switched off for good. It is quite depressing at times, for all that we are putting up quite a good show given that 80% of the Jodha Akbar forum is missing.

You should look at any of my 2013 threads; I used to post 3 pagers almost daily, and the vigorous debates would extend of 12 and at times 25 pages! It used to take me 3-4 hours daily just to respond to the comments before moving on to the next day's post! It was exhausting, but it was also so much fun! I really miss that when I do these posts. But I am very glad that you are there, Akka, and at least about 30 others on a regular basis.

My laptop should be back tomorrow or on Wednesday, and I will put up a post that very day, so that I can start catching up.

Shyamala

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Posted: 9 years ago
#33
My dear Khalessi,

It is really fun, trying to guess which colour you will choose the next time! Dark green is is very unusual, but the one I really love is the fuchsia. It is gorgeous, and I have decided to use it for my responses to comments on my threads.

As for your comments, not just here but on my other threads, I see that we are mostly of one mind on most matters, which means that I do not need to go to town with my responses. I am delighted to find someone whose takes are crisp and to the point, and yes, agree with me most of the time!😉

My responses to your comments are in blue.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: khalessi75

Hello again.

I will give my take in this second part in dark green.

Edited by sashashyam - 9 years ago

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Posted: 9 years ago
#34
Thank you, Akka, for holding my hand and boosting my morale! It is sweet of you.

As for doing my posts regularly, I do that already, going to the extent of posting in advance for at least 3 episodes last week. But the fact is that there is not much of a readership for my posts now, and even less of discussion. One simply has to get used to that.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: karkuzhali


Shyamala,

Please don't lose heart! Since it is a re-run, the suspense, the thrill, the guess, the prediction etc will be naturally missing now. Even then, there are quite some regular members , who voice their views strongly making the forum interesting.
And also probably the members feel that any amount of discussion now is not going to make any change in the treatment of the story by the CVs. But I am sure that at least for quite some more episodes, the JA forum will be active .
Another reason is, you are the fulcrum around which the whole forum is revolving. Once you start doing your write ups regularly, I am sure you will be getting increased number of responses.

Cheer up!

Saraswathi Akka.


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Posted: 9 years ago
#35


Shyamala,

I appreciate your prompt reply to all the posts without delay , and without leaving even a single one.
I have added my comments in red.

Saraswathi.


Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Donjas,

My laptop is due back tomorrow or on Wednesday, so I am doing this at a friend's place, as I did yesterday.

Thank you so much for your concern about my health. The pain is much reduced now, but that is because of the steroids, the strength of which has been halved for the past 10 days, and will be halved again from tomorrow for another 15 days. What worries me is what is to happen once this medication is stopped from mid-November. I am hoping for the best and trying to prepare myself for the worst, which is a return to the levels of pain I had 2 weeks ago. Let me see what happens.

As for your interpretation of why Jalal mostly puts up with Jodha's OTT behaviour, I would agree with it in toto. It is the same as his attitude towards Mansingh - who was really obnoxious and downright rude in the early days - and in a different way with the polished and courteous Atgah Khan. He values the fact that they are not sycophants.

But what I do not like in Jodha is that

(a) she has double standards when it comes to judging Jalal: she always thinks the worst of him and clings to that regardless of subsequent clarifications, as with the case of the little Hindu boy, where she clearly does not believe even what her BFF Salima tells her!

Plus nothing that affects Jalal badly, like the horrors of his childhood in Kabul, touches her in the least. When he tells her about how Maham saves him from the cannon fire, she simply brushes that aside. That is very bad, for it shows rank insensitivity when it comes to her husband.

When was it? I do not remember.


And then (b) she is self-righteous to a fault, and then she will not apologise even when she has been grossly in the wrong, as with the narnaal affair. In that case, she NEVER says sorry to him for having nearly got him killed. But she happily accepts Hamida's plaudits for having saved his life with her lep! That is a joke if ever there was one!

Not only that, she is repeatedly appallingly rude to Jalal in public, as at the Meena Bazaar. If she were to snub him in private, that is one thing, but such public rudeness to her pati in public reflects very poorly on her,

Yes. I agree.

I will stop here, and not go into my main khunnas against her, that she swans around claiming all the privileges of a Shahi Begum, but thinks she can keep Jalal permanently on a string like a compliant poodle, or rather a friend without benefits!

Shyamala

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Posted: 9 years ago
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My dear Prem,

I agree with you that Jalal did not do Salima a favour by marrying her. He does not, in this show, feel that way, or give any indication that she should be grateful to him for that. Historically, I am sure that it must have been, as you suggest, a decision by the elders.

I now see your point about that scene, but it would not have worked if he had gone straight to her and asked her. The thing we have to keep in mind is that Jalal is unsure whether she is guilty or not, and he has to find out the truth without giving her any hint of what he is really after. So perhaps he thinks this is the best way to put her completely off guard, and unsettle her so much that her whole mind will be only on his unexpected demand on her, and not on the dibbi. But it was a dicey scene, though it was more than redeemed by Rajat's superb performance.

As for the objection that Rahim is her stepson and not her real son, that would not matter at all if she was set on becoming the Maryam-uz-Zamani. For she would get that audha once Rahim was designated by Jalal as his successor, for she would the mother of the waliyahat, since she is, to all intents and purposes, his Ammijaan.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: myviewprem



I think you got my point wrong - Salima is his cousin sister. Will jalal ever doubt Ruqaiah? Never even if he get evidence like in murti kand he will keep it with himself and not announce world. So as a cousin why not go and ask her directly or investigate in different manner than make her eat kesar from that dibbi on pertex of spending a night with her. I have no issues at all if jalal and salima have husband wife relation, she is young and deserves all happiness not spend all life thinking of an dead husband who was 30 years atleast older to her by age. My point is akbar maried salima when he was 17 years and for 4-5 years he treated her like an elder person with respect and suddenly one night he lands in her hojra saying i want to spend night with you having a physical relation etc who will ever do that? Its disrespect to Salima i feel and her feelings. Ok i assume Akbar suddenly wants to have relation with her but he never asked her consent etc he just lands at midnight at her hojra. And that too she is an cousin related by blood not any other wife i mean its a sensitive relationship when cousins are your spouse. Akbar should have handled it more sensitively and maturely (or should i say CVs)

I am saying salima cannot be suspected because rahim is not her own son, he is her step son. why she will kill her own uncle's grandchild for a step son? Will she not want her uncles khoon to become emperor instead of a commoner BK. What logic jalal and ruqaiah suspected her was fully wrong. And in history too Salima loved salim very much although Murad was her son(own or given diff matter) and supported Salim to be emperor.

And being a cousin sister Salima has more rights than other wives by all standards, she has three advantages she is his first cousin, she is his khan baba wife and then his wife too. I also do not agree with this serial that akbar did a favour on her by marrying her a widow. It was in all probability a family decision, elders decided and akbar and salima married. Such marriages are very common in indian continent where relatives marry among themselves.


Originally posted by: sashashyam

I was checking my mail at a friend's place, and I do not have too much time, but I wanted to reply to this one, even if only in brief. My comments are in blue italics.

Shyamala


Edited by sashashyam - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
#37
It is going to come tonight or tomorrow night. It is when Maham drags Jodha to the Shahenshah, so that she can accuse her; this is after their disastrous (for Jodha) encounter in the bawarchikhana.

Jalal tells Jodha about the horrors that happened to him as a child in Kabul, and how Maham saved him from the cannon fire at the risk of her life. Jodha listens to him, but in her ranting afterwards in her rooms, there is not an iota of understanding or empathy for what that child Jalal must have gone thru, and why Maham is to him what she is today.

Instead, she goes on babbling about Jalal's andha vishwas, and that he will not believe his shubchintak, ie Jodha. That was a priceless joke; Jalal should believe this woman who says she has so much ghrina for him and who, till recently, wanted his sar, against the person who has been more than a mother figure for him for his whole life!

Shyamala.

Originally posted by: karkuzhali

Plus nothing that affects Jalal badly, like the horrors of his childhood in Kabul, touches her in the least. When he tells her about how Maham saves him from the cannon fire, she simply brushes that aside. That is very bad, for it shows rank insensitivity when it comes to her husband.

When was it? I do not remember.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Dear Shyamala,

Can I suggest that you open new and different threads for studying the development of the main characters Jalal, Jodha, Maham Anga, Ruquaiah and Hamida Bhanu? This will give a new venue for some discussion with interesting ideas and viewpoints.

Saraswathi.




Originally posted by: sashashyam

Thank you, Akka, for holding my hand and boosting my morale! It is sweet of you.

As for doing my posts regularly, I do that already, going to the extent of posting in advance for at least 3 episodes last week. But the fact is that there is not much of a readership for my posts now, and even less of discussion. One simply has to get used to that.

I think that is the mistake you did. You should make the members eagerly await your beautiful analyses - Saraswathi.


Shyamala

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Dear Shyamala!
I am very glad that treatment helps to reduce your pain and I hope that you will continue feel better !!! I read somewhere that it does not matter what religion people, but if someone wishes to the patient of recovery, him becomes better. Even if he doesn't know about it. I heartily wish health for you, like the others.

As for why Jalal is angry, it is because he is an Emperor and he cannot stand the idea that anyone, least of all a woman, can actually hold him at sword point. It is an issue of his imperial ego. I do not think Jodha's laundry list of accusations against him bothers him, apart from her ridiculous Jalal ka sar mantra.

You know, our Caucasian men are not emperors, but their ego isn't less than at the emperor's. 😆 How I missed it? Simply Jalal always showed in difficult situations him best and noble qualities. He knows how to apologize, he has revenge, but hasn't quarrelsomeness.
But, apparently, Jodha can wake in him the worst... 😛
You're right - in that scene Meena Bazaar Jodha looked silly and nonsensical. With all my sympathy to her...
Edited by alffim - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Hi Aunty!!!

I used to be an active participant of you threads when JA started and used to enjoy reading your posts and debates in your threads. I am not much active on IF anymore especially since twins death track. I do come on JA IF to read selective FF and sometimes read your wonderful posts, too but am a silent reader now. I found out that you are diagnosed with RA. I hope that your pain gets reduced and is at least at tolerable levels. Please take care of yourself.

I am watching the re-run like most people but I just do not have time to participate in threads due to hectic schedule of studies and work.

I was skimming through the last two pages and I noticed that you said Jodha NEVER apologized for narnaal affair which is not true.

Go to the video below: and start the video from 5:00 . She apologizes on 5:07.

https://youtu.be/EuMItlTaxbw

(I am typing from phone so will not be able to load a video) It is epiaode 80.
I will try to comment on your threads in future if time permits.

Thank you Aunty once again for all the efforts you put in past and present for your threads. I really miss those times when I used to have fun reading the takes on episodes from lashy, vicky, meghana, skanda12 and you.

Ayesha

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Donjas,
My laptop is due back tomorrow or on Wednesday, so I am doing this at a friend's place, as I did yesterday.

Thank you so much for your concern about my health. The pain is much reduced now, but that is because of the steroids, the strength of which has been halved for the past 10 days, and will be halved again from tomorrow for another 15 days. What worries me is what is to happen once this medication is stopped from mid-November. I am hoping for the best and trying to prepare myself for the worst, which is a return to the levels of pain I had 2 weeks ago. Let me see what happens.

As for your interpretation of why Jalal mostly puts up with Jodha's OTT behaviour, I would agree with it in toto. It is the same as his attitude towards Mansingh - who was really obnoxious and downright rude in the early days - and in a different way with the polished and courteous Atgah Khan. He values the fact that they are not sycophants.

But what I do not like in Jodha is that

(a) she has double standards when it comes to judging Jalal: she always thinks the worst of him and clings to that regardless of subsequent clarifications, as with the case of the little Hindu boy, where she clearly does not believe even what her BFF Salima tells her!

Plus nothing that affects Jalal badly, like the horrors of his childhood in Kabul, touches her in the least. When he tells her about how Maham saves him from the cannon fire, she simply brushes that aside. That is very bad, for it shows rank insensitivity when it comes to her husband.

And then (b) she is self-righteous to a fault, and then she will not apologise even when she has been grossly in the wrong, as with the narnaal affair. In that case, she NEVER says sorry to him for having nearly got him killed. But she happily accepts Hamida's plaudits for having saved his life with her lep! That is a joke if ever there was one!

Not only that, she is repeatedly appallingly rude to Jalal in public, as at the Meena Bazaar. If she were to snub him in private, that is one thing, but such public rudeness to her pati in public reflects very poorly on her,

I will stop here, and not go into my main khunnas against her, that she swans around claiming all the privileges of a Shahi Begum, but thinks she can keep Jalal permanently on a string like a compliant poodle, or rather a friend without benefits!

Shyamala

Edited by ashpat - 9 years ago

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