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Posted: 10 years ago
#51
Great post Radhika. 🤗

But the sad part all these relations are somehow connected only through negativity or negative aspects. Whether it is Rukaiiya and Salim or Murad and Rahim.

The truth of the whole thing is that, during that time brothers did fight for the throne, there was enemity, but did we sign up for that?? We signed up for Jodha-AKbar. A great Ruler and his supporing wife, and we are getting all but that.

The serial has detached it itself from its former glory, a person who has never watched the serial before can find out whats happening because of its cliche storyline. My brother comes into the room and saw the Rukaiiya-Salim milk scene, and he's like that vasiham marindu( Medicine to make someone want more, and get them under your grip) isn't it? 🥱

Now a new rift due to Salim? All this while they show Jalal understanding the need for being a good human being and Jodha understanding the importance of being a good ruler, and now they can't seem to teach Salim both. Being a good ruler and a good person is interconnected, and now a misunderstanding because JJ can't manage to teach him both? These CV's.

And what kind of message are they sending out to viewers by showing the lady who with love the child calls' baddi ammijaan' drugging that very same child? We have a clan of CV's who are majority women and still bring out the worst. The first being a woman faking her pregnancy, followed by Shehnaaz puting false accusation of rape on a nbole man during 'women empowerment' week, and now a mother drugging her child.

The only Mughal Relation I want to see is that of Jodha and Akbar. We all signed up for this serial because of it's different storyline and that zing which was lacking in other serials. But like stale Coca-Cola loses its fizz, JA seems to have fizzled out too.

"Kalam tooti padi hai, syaahi sookh gayi hai, shabd bhi uljhe pade hain."- Manish Paliwal. Now we know why JA has no story. 😉

P.S: The promo's of all EPIC channel serial are great. Go check them out when you have time. 😆
Edited by -aady- - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#52
Very nice post.. Lovely your reading but now stopped watching the show which is just torture nothing else..
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Posted: 10 years ago
#53
Radhika good post.your title is saying serial reality.typing from mobile. Ruk is using salim now she is capturing her mind.&using cheapeast ways. but Akdha showing sleeping.who gives CV these type of ideas.new realtionship coming in Agra fort. in my mind coming. is B E K post is bigger then MUZ,jodha is saying.forgave Anar father,but Ruk is saying.Haram decesion comes in her hands but is Anar father jobs comes in Harem.yee CV bhee Naa But chilldren are doing best acting if Ruk got punishment Right time story comes in different way.but CV own not knows what they are showing Ruk always dominating Jodha,jodha always listening Ruk. is M U Z had no power to take decesions.Salim &daniyal or i think Kutub three are one side.Murad &Haider one side.lets see How Salima tackles Murad.Or Reshum.these days seeing with Ruk, not Zaveda,is Ruk is learning Maham what did more from Reshum..,Anar is also dominating Little Salim,is Growing Salim,Anar is going to Shy character in front ofSalim,somedays.But Salim going learning outside Disclipne point is also i think coming soon.because CV is Full Hurry.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#54
Hi Radhika. You have made a beautiful analysis😊

SA relation-

They are still in their first step in the sequence of mandatory events that lead to epic love according to the CVs manual of love story which starts from hatred and ends with love.Of course this has to be the only way of falling in love inspite of the fact that kid Anarkali insulting kid Salim(who is a prince) again and again is unrealistic,but then what is not unrealistic in this serial. I feel a third angle in the SA love story may be seen in the form of Murad or Haider later.

I've heard,every episode has some exclusive SA scene for sure thus reducing the screen space of the supposed actual leads.The CVs clearly want to tell us the about the foundation of the future love story.But we get it,don't we?Why to show their love story this exclusively in a show called JA at the cost of J&J and worse,they are kids!! I've heard that the Zee guy said that the story will always remain about JA. I don't see that.

Murad-

He is jealous of Salim which can be understood.The kid does not understand why his father showers him no attention.It's difficult to believe that this Jalal desperately wanted kids.
Frankly I did not like Salima and Rahim's attitude towards Murad.They know about his jealousy and insecurities yet show a very casual attitude in dealing with him.They discourage his jealousy in a very mild manner which visibly does not have any effect on Murad which they themselves know since Murad usually has the last word which is never in favour of Salim.Salima also knows that Murad's playmate,Haider is also against Salim.Yet,she doesn't take it seriously.Don't they realize that this jealousy can later increase and harm Murad himself?
Salima and Rahim should have tried to understand Murad's point of view and should have patiently and firmly explained it to Murad.They should have also talked to Jalal or Jodha about this so that Jalal would have showered love towards Murad and would thus have ended this jealousy.Why can't they analyse any situation nicely?Maybe for more drama later😳

All of Murad's scenes only have bitterness for Salim.What about the child actor?He only does jealousy scenes.Why to instill this negative emotion this strongly on him? Same for the kid playing Haider.Kids do have jealousy towards other kids but they also have love and friendship towards them.Why not show some happy scenes of them?

Salim-Ruqs-

The CVs can't maintain any character grey,can they? The process of "Ruqaiyyafication of Salim"(word credit goes to you)from "Jodhafication of Salim" is set to occur in full swing!! Now how long the former lasts,is to be seen.Along with the disgusting idea of kids romance,we also have to see the atrocious idea of child drugging.CVs should win the award for the "most obnoxious ideas ever". What about the bad influence on the children viewers.Since,Ruqs won't be caught,what will they think? Take/give drugs to someone and go scott free!! I think another disclaimer should be given in this serial"content not suitable for children or unstable minds".

Also,the kid playing Salim must be thinking about his role being the most unique child role ever played-a lover and a drug addict😕

Maybe Ruqs would also drug Murad and Daniyal later to keep them distracted from the throne since we know they were addicts(alcohol,I think).

JJ-

If CVs are selling the idea of epic romance between JJ,they should show them being together at least now and fight the situations together being each others strength,but no,they are probably heading for another "rift" for the billionth time!! Whatever they have shown in the past two months is far from epic and instead of damage control especially from Jalal's side,they are heading towards another mu!!Fantastic👏

My main interest in the show is towards JJ only and their relationship is the one that's the most butchered one.



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Posted: 10 years ago
#55

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon

Thanks Radhka for this lovely post. interesting views. I stopped thinking way back Radhika as I have given up on this serial.I do frequently visit this forum to have some fun time with our lovely friends.


Enjoy Sindhu 😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
#56

Originally posted by: amina1

Nice post radhika,watch on off but this NR is just too much to digest,now i dont understand the logic behind rukiya druging the child for her own reason to me cery lame reason she already has power she can control the boy with love and affection,btw wont the drug how seriuose effect on the boy hes so small,next day he was up and enegetic,and rukiya kisi bhi angle se drug addict nahi lagati,and why is salim always with rukiya,NR


Thanks Amina!

This drug addiction angle is the most deplorable angle ever in this show. 🤢

JJ push Salim to Ruq because she is his badi ammijaan! Jodha was even willing to sit out of the MB so that Ruq could take Salim there.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#57

Originally posted by: Charu.S


Radhika, thank you for sharing another impressive writeup 😊.

Thanks for liking the post! Your post is wonderful too! 👏

I will share my thoughts about the progress😕 in the storyline, based on the written updates that I have followed over the past two weeks, barring a couple of episodes that I watched this week, at the suggestion of family and friends.😊

1) The Salim - Nadira equation.

Both kids have performed very well in their respective roles. I love their toothless expressions and dialogue delivery, especially Nadira's. This little girl, playing a spitfire Nadira, is a bundle of talent, she maybe getting on many people's nerves, but I've a soft spot for her. Salim is very cute and I like his casual style of acting, for someone so young. The Creatives are trying to recreate the same formula between Salim and Nadira that they followed with Salim's maasaa and abbujaan : endless fights that eventually lead to love. We all know that Salim and Nadira are in the 'I hate you phase now". This will all change in a matter of weeks, maybe days ? 😕 Whenever the leap happens . I am extremely curious to know he names of the actors playing the adult Salim and Anarkali.

Charu, I don't know about Anar. I feel she comes across as more rude and arrogant than spitfire. If she were my daughter, she would get a good scolding from me and a lecture on manners.

The SA love story has not taken my fancy yet, not even this at-loggerheads phase. I believe RT will play the young Salim. Hope we get a pretty girl as Anar.


2) The Murad - Rahim relationship.

The reason for little Murad'd jealousy towards Salim is due to Jalal's indifferent attitude towards him. This little boy cannot understand why Salim alone is getting all the preferential treatment and all of shehenshah's affection, when he is also Shehenshah's son and does not receive the same love. It is natural for him to be miffed at Rahim and feel insecure when Rahim also showers all his attention on Salim. The Rahim / Salim bonding is bound to increase in the future because Jalal has entrusted Salim's training in fighting skills and his personal safety to Rahim. In the long run, this aspect may the reason for ill-will between Murad and Rahim. Murad will not be able to tolerate the rapport between Rahim and Salim. You are absolutely right in thinking, Murad has inherited the shrewdness of Akbar. Hopefully as he grows older,and matures he puts this skill to positive use and does not get influenced by Haider .
I am confused with Salima's mothering skills. We saw her pulling off Murad from Haider's company and giving him an earful when he pointed out Jalal's favoritism towards Salim, yet, when he is rude to Rahim and again argues and questions the Shehenshah's decisions in the DEK , she just smiled and shook her head from side to side. I never once saw her sit him down and explain to him, the reason why Salim was anointed as the Wali-ahad. I'm surprised that It is the same Salima, who would get unhappy with a younger Rahim and admonish him for the silliest of mistakes and would patiently answer all his questions and point out the difference between right and wrong.

Don't know why Jalal is being shown to be indifferent to his other kids. Murad and Daniyal used to be his favorites, even more than Salim.

Murad had problems with Rahim after he grew up. Here everything has been shrunk in the time frame. So Murad has problems with Rahim right from the beginning. 😕

The CVs love to turn everything on its head. Mirza Hakim was shown to have a loving relationship with Jalal while Murad is seen to carry a chip on his shoulder against his father and brother right from childhood.

Just giving them subahs does not mean that they will go there and handle them, Charu. The gift is just symbolic. The actual administration will be done by someone else in their name.
Though Akbar became king at 13, the sultanat was effectively run by BK, who was the regent.

I want Jalal and Jodha to sit Salim down one day and explain to him how Akbar had been drawn into handling responsibilities from childhood and never had the privileged lifestyle that Salim enjoys. Salim is too pampered for his own good.

3) Rukaiyya and Salim

Rukaiyya is evil personified, a so called mother-like figure, who will stoop to any level to fulfill her vile intentions. Drugging a child who calls her badi ammijaan is an act that is beyond despicable. The Creatives coming up with such a heinous idea for a historical is nothing short of disgraceful and contemptible. Zee TV and BT telecasting such a distasteful act is utterly and totally WRONG.

Yes, you are right, Rukaiyya will use all of Salim's weaknesses against him in the worst possible way. All she wants to see is Jodha and Jalal unhappy and miserable. She very well knows that Salim is their weakness and the love of their lives and making him downcast will in turn cause Jodha and Jalal to be worried, dejected and sorrowful. Therefore she will continue drugging him with opium and gloat over the repercussions of her action on Salim, Jalal and Jodha. The supposedly perceptive Jalal and his astute wife Jodha will never get a clue of this monstrous act.
After watching today's episode , not only me but Rashmi also felt that it maybe Nadira who sees Rukaiyya drugging Salim and exposes her. We will be two happy ladies if this prediction comes true.

My own feeling is that Nadira will remain lost in her petty squabbles with Salim and not be any use in catching anyone, least of all, Ruq. And Ruq will never be caught.

4) Daaniyal 😊 is one chunky cutie -pie, whose interest lies only in food. Yet another darling kid, whose rotund innocent persona suits the character he is playing, perfectly. I love this little boy. I hope the Shehenshah starts showing him and Murad some affection. These innocents are not in anyway responsible for the circumstances under which they were conceived. I wish the Creatives show Jalal realizing this.
Rukhsar has been Jodha's constant supporter and friend , especially during the harem politics. You never know, their equation can change anytime. The Creatives have the ability to show anything. My feeling is that Rukhsaar may instill positive thoughts in Daaniyal's mind about Salim. The Salim / Daaniyal / Qutub bonding may be a good one.


Somehow I feel that even though initially Murad maybe jealous of Salim and nurture an inferiority complex towards him, over a period of time, he may realize that Salim is a good natured brother and gravitate towards him. It is Haider who will turn negative and revengeful towards Jalal. He will carry over this hatred to Salim also, resulting in constant tension, between the two.

I am highly displeased with the Shehenshah's decision of assigning political responsibilities on these innocent lads at an age when they need to play and just be themselves. Agreed, those were the norms in a royal family 450 yrs back. However, coming under immense emotional and physical pressure at such a young age may have been the reason for many young princes to take refuge in alcohol and other harmful habits and eventually succumb to the addiction too.

Yes, I agree that it maybe Resham who is negatively influencing young Haider against the shehenshah. Unless the Creatives introduce a new negative character to do the honors.😉. Knowing their penchant for everything loathsome, I will not be surprised if a new negative character is introduced.

As of now, the Creatives have reduced Jalal to a dull-witted, gullible, shortsighted emperor😒. Jodha is the opposite of fiery, smart and proud😔. Hamida begum has no importance as a Queen mother.
Let us wait and watch evil taking precedence over good and getting pardoned and receiving a forehead kiss even after committing the most dangerous and dreadful act to the heir of the Mughal empire 😔 😒 😡 😡 .




Charu.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ILTHBEB

to b honest radhika,i m in very much refreshment mood to discard JA. No uncalled for tension abt mu b/w jj,no nuisance feelings abt jalal's peculiar unconditional frndship with ruq that is never allowed him to punish ruq. Just i read wu regular for keeping communication with forum n forum's frnds. Then if i feel willing ever, i directly bash characters after reading wu without caring vashai koyi character to hai e nahi es show mai jiska tarif karu! I m very much proud on myself that atlast i have succeeded to come out frm this trash box. I feel a heavy stone has been removed frm my shoulder. Shanti shanti aur shanti!


Glad to see you at peace, Nabiii 😛

@bold: V true 🤣

Enjoy bashing and pls bash on my behalf too ⭐️
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ayushimehra

Radhika good post.your title is saying serial reality.typing from mobile. Ruk is using salim now she is capturing her mind.&using cheapeast ways. but Akdha showing sleeping.who gives CV these type of ideas.new realtionship coming in Agra fort. in my mind coming. is B E K post is bigger then MUZ,jodha is saying.forgave Anar father,but Ruk is saying.Haram decesion comes in her hands but is Anar father jobs comes in Harem.yee CV bhee Naa But chilldren are doing best acting if Ruk got punishment Right time story comes in different way.but CV own not knows what they are showing Ruk always dominating Jodha,jodha always listening Ruk. is M U Z had no power to take decesions.Salim &daniyal or i think Kutub three are one side.Murad &Haider one side.lets see How Salima tackles Murad.Or Reshum.these days seeing with Ruk, not Zaveda,is Ruk is learning Maham what did more from Reshum..,Anar is also dominating Little Salim,is Growing Salim,Anar is going to Shy character in front ofSalim,somedays.But Salim going learning outside Disclipne point is also i think coming soon.because CV is Full Hurry.



Hi Ayushi,😊

Good to read your writeup, where were you all these days ?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: -aady-

Great post Radhika. 🤗


Thanks Aadhya 🤗

But the sad part all these relations are somehow connected only through negativity or negative aspects. Whether it is Rukaiiya and Salim or Murad and Rahim.

The truth of the whole thing is that, during that time brothers did fight for the throne, there was enemity, but did we sign up for that?? We signed up for Jodha-AKbar. A great Ruler and his supporing wife, and we are getting all but that.

True. We signed up for the epic love story of a great king and his legendary queen and we are getting anything but that. 😕

The serial has detached it itself from its former glory, a person who has never watched the serial before can find out whats happening because of its cliche storyline. My brother comes into the room and saw the Rukaiiya-Salim milk scene, and he's like that vasiham marindu( Medicine to make someone want more, and get them under your grip) isn't it? 🥱

😆

Now a new rift due to Salim? All this while they show Jalal understanding the need for being a good human being and Jodha understanding the importance of being a good ruler, and now they can't seem to teach Salim both. Being a good ruler and a good person is interconnected, and now a misunderstanding because JJ can't manage to teach him both? These CV's.

The CVs feel a love story means constant MUs and more MUs (making up). 🥱

And what kind of message are they sending out to viewers by showing the lady who with love the child calls' baddi ammijaan' drugging that very same child? We have a clan of CV's who are majority women and still bring out the worst. The first being a woman faking her pregnancy, followed by Shehnaaz puting false accusation of rape on a nbole man during 'women empowerment' week, and now a mother drugging her child.

They seem to think women can either be pure Evil, as you have exemplified or pure good (read doormats, like Jodha). There is no concept of a balanced woman in their POV.

The only Mughal Relation I want to see is that of Jodha and Akbar. We all signed up for this serial because of it's different storyline and that zing which was lacking in other serials. But like stale Coca-Cola loses its fizz, JA seems to have fizzled out too.

Yup. They fell in love, had a baby. What next? The CVs have no clue. In India, Love flies out of the window and people are assumed to be without any feelings after having a baby. The couple's lives are supposed to centre around their kid's. And that is what the CVs are showing.

"Kalam tooti padi hai, syaahi sookh gayi hai, shabd bhi uljhe pade hain."- Manish Paliwal. Now we know why JA has no story. 😉

He really said that? 😲

P.S: The promo's of all EPIC channel serial are great. Go check them out when you have time. 😆

Didn't get you - pls explain.


Aadhya

Thanks for reflecting what we all feel - that we wanted to see the JA love story and we are getting the SA love story instead.

Are you still able to watch the show? 😛 Many have quit.

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