Meandering Musings on Mughal Relations - Page 12

Originally posted by: history_geek

Radhika,


Welcome.

BTW, This is the new promo. >>

Salim is practicing music / doing riyaas with Jodha .
Jalal arrives and says he wants to take Salim for Sword practice..
Jodha holds Salim's hand and deliberates that riyaas is also important.

Jalal replies that - Inhe behtar Shehenshah bhi ban na hai ...
Jodha replies - Inhe nekdil insaan bhi ban na hai ...

Normally, kids bring happiness, but here, it's the other way round.

Originally posted by: prav2

Hi Radhika,

Thanks for the PM and glad to see ur post as I was missing ur views .An interesting analysis on Relations .Thanks for sharing.

I would like to add two more here as those are the ones which I liked in otherwise a disgusting track.

Jalal - BB's Daughter Relation.

Sorry I Don't remember the girls name but this is how I wished NR's should be . The morpankh on the quran was a classy touch , it made me nostalgic of why I started loving this serial (a rarity by cvs these days)a beautiful conglomeration of two customs and culture depicting the richness of our heritage and also loved the message it brought out caring for special children's .The girl emoted very well by her expression and made me wish for more scenes between her and her beloved mamujaan.

Salim-Hb Relation

A grandparent - grandchild relation is always so special and a treat to watch and loved the way its being depicted between Hb and salim ,

Murad-Rahim Relation:

. I guess Rahim cannot understand murad's feeling completely for one he is an youngster who idolizes jalal and his chotti ammijaan and was so fortunate enough to enjoy their abundant love and care. Though he lost his real father, jalal and whole of agra showered him with such love and care , but sadly murad is seeming to miss out on everything. I don't know what is the intention of cvs but from what they have shown till now both jalal and jo seems to be indifferent with both murad and daniyaal .Personally I feel indifference is as harmful as deliberate ignorance and how would a kid of that age when their world so revolve around parents to see a father never showing any interest on him and murad wouldn't understand Rahim and would certainly think he is taking the side of salim and no one really loves him .Its sad to see any child being subjected to this.

The Salim - Ruqaiyya Relation

This is one sick relation brought out by cvs and feeling very disgusted . This is the lowest by cvs so far . This is seemingly a historical fiction and what are they trying to achieve by showing an innocent kid being fed with opium and how sick should the person be to feed it to a child and what is need for showing it at family time when we are battling against so many crimes perpetrated on innocent kids

Daniyaal Ruqsaar Relation:

I remember her supporting jo in the election and I guess from what it is shown she may be ambitious as she always wanted to put ruq down . I don't know if she has real affection for jo but she looked like she wanted to win ruq and so yes I think she would want her son to take more interest in politics and gain a place for him thereby she could enjoy privileges that comes along with it .But daaniyal looked cute and is adorable.

R Factor

I too think resham is the one who should have poisoned haider ,but failed to understand her motives. First I was surprised to see her with ruq as I thought she hated ruq for the way she treated maham in her dying days . Jo only supported her and even maham wished jo so wouldn't it be the case that she would wish to be with jo? or may be ruq chose her?

Originally posted by: lasyap3

@bold

I was about to fall off from my chair...due to uncontrollable anger and laughter at a time

😡😆

Purani, Maddy and Angie

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Priya,

Wonderful post! ⭐️

I love the clarity of your thoughts. 👏

I am really happy you mentioned Jalal-Mehtab and Salim-Hb relationships. At least among all the negativity, these 2 relations are still positive and pure and just suffused with positivity, love, affection and care. 😊

I agree with your analyses of the other relations. Thanks for pointing out that Ruksar wanted to put Ruq down rather than support Jo out of love for her. And that she might be politically ambitious. Let's see how this character is developed further. She may become more important or may be forgotten.

Resham may have joined Ruq to exact revenge on Jalal. This is purely my hunch. 😊

Keep posting! 😊

Thanks Radhika and yes I think your hunch is right. Resham may want to exact revenge on jalal. But as an after thought she was shown very loyal to maham and seem to idolize maham's way of thinking. Maham's lifelong ambition was to make adham equally powerful as jalal and may be towards the end she wanted adham to be the king . Now haider is the only remaining progeny of maham and may be resham wants him to get what adham failed to and hence training him in the same way. Ideally only ruq would have suited her needs as she is person who could be easily influenced. Maham used it to her advantage for so long till she lived despite her never having any real liking for ruq and may be resham is also doing the same.

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Purani, Maddy and Angie

Will reply soon to your posts! 😊

Maddy, chill. I will PM you later. Take care! 🤗

Take your time akka

Originally posted by: angie321

I agree with your post.I had a very positive view of Jalal and liked both JJ a lot before the atrocious Jodha blame game played by Jalal and Ruks and the 3 &1/2 years of "ignore Jodha mission" by Jalal.

Jalal as a powerful husband and lover should have fiercely protected his ladylove against very strong,heinous words spoken against her by a third person.This protection towards one's beloved comes very naturally to anyone and especially to the one claiming "epic" love.But Jalal did the opposite. I know the CVs' intention is to make the audience believe that Jalal still has that special love for Jodha and hence the presence of the daily JJ lollipop scenes but the character portrayal has gone all wrong. You have very correctly used the word victim. Jodha is Jalal's victim in this twins' death case(only in this case), Chittor is the victim in the same case.None of the party deserves this.Jalal was awesome in his behaviour towards Jodha after Hassan's demise.If only this behaviour and support had extended!!

Hussain, Jodha, Jalal and Salim are Ruq's victims.

Jodha's inspiration of the idea of love perhaps comes from Bakshi Bano lately.Jodha once marvelled at the blind devotion and love of BB towards Sharif when caught in the Jodha fake preg. track& wondered how could someone love somebody so blindly.Well she is doing the same and is turning a blind eye towards her own injustice during these 2 months. No doubt Jalal is a much better person than Sharif but I find Jodha's blind love for Jalal lately similar to BB's blind love for Sharif.

Maybe in future,Salim will imbibe his mom's quality of giving unconditional,blind love and will fight the world for Anarkali,which I have no interest in watching.

Completely agree with both of you. Though, like you, i am also, NOT at all for taking down the RECENT NekDIli of Jodha for Ruqayya also. BUT, The REEL Jalal comes across as an irresolute person who crumbles under slightEST degree of adversity, when it comes to his emotions. And this behavior is reserved for only one person in Agra who is at the receiving end of his mordant.

While he gives endless speeches about Nek-dili, and all that daryadili , etc but it has no base when it comes to the applications of those principles on HIMself. He professes the DOCTRINE of Hazar guenhegar chhutt jaye par EK begunah ko saza nahi honi chahiye. BUT, when it's the time to apply all these DOCTRINES we find him Doing a runner act. Case under consideration was the 3 year period and the final act of Chittor war, where he went NOT to do his RajDharma, BUT with an avowed intention of challenging his Khuda, and punished the SAME awaam(of another state) whose Neki he wants to earn, after winning the battle.?. Instead of accepting HIS role and inability to catch up the culprits in twins debacle, and to bring Ruqayya to book, these acts were done. I do not understand, why his brains become dysfunctional when it comes to catching Ruqayya.?.

Anyways, Jodha and Jalal have been reduced now, and paved way for Ruqayya.

@blue
You cracked me up..But let me assure you that Ruqayya will never be given her due.

@brown
This is what was not acceptable in a Love Story, which you claim to be EPIC..
NEVERRR...
A period when you need to hold the hand of your 'beloved' ; that time, you leave her, and that too for 3 years..?..
The rationale and logic ? Never mind , as there is NONE present now.
Remember, we are watching SA ; JA ended long BACKK..

Originally posted by: history_geek

Completely agree with both of you. Though, like you, i am also, NOT at all for taking down the RECENT NekDIli of Jodha for Ruqayya also. BUT, The REEL Jalal comes across as an irresolute person who crumbles under slightEST degree of adversity, when it comes to his emotions. And this behavior is reserved for only one person in Agra who is at the receiving end of his mordant.

While he gives endless speeches about Nek-dili, and all that daryadili , etc but it has no base when it comes to the applications of those principles on HIMself. He professes the DOCTRINE of Hazar guenhegar chhutt jaye par EK begunah ko saza nahi honi chahiye. BUT, when it's the time to apply all these DOCTRINES we find him Doing a runner act. Case under consideration was the 3 year period and the final act of Chittor war, where he went NOT to do his RajDharma, BUT with an avowed intention of challenging his Khuda, and punished the SAME awaam(of another state) whose Neki he wants to earn, after winning the battle.?. Instead of accepting HIS role and inability to catch up the culprits in twins debacle, and to bring Ruqayya to book, these acts were done. I do not understand, why his brains become dysfunctional when it comes to catching Ruqayya.?.

Anyways, Jodha and Jalal have been reduced now, and paved way for Ruqayya.

@blue
You cracked me up..But let me assure you that Ruqayya will never be given her due.

@brown
This is what was not acceptable in a Love Story, which you claim to be EPIC..
NEVERRR...
A period when you need to hold the hand of your 'beloved' ; that time, you leave her, and that too for 3 years..?..
The rationale and logic ? Never mind , as there is NONE present now.
Remember, we are watching SA ; JA ended long BACKK..

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Originally posted by: history_geek

Completely agree with both of you. Though, like you, i am also, NOT at all for taking down the RECENT NekDIli of Jodha for Ruqayya also. BUT, The REEL Jalal comes across as an irresolute person who crumbles under slightEST degree of adversity, when it comes to his emotions. And this behavior is reserved for only one person in Agra who is at the receiving end of his mordant.

While he gives endless speeches about Nek-dili, and all that daryadili , etc but it has no base when it comes to the applications of those principles on HIMself. He professes the DOCTRINE of Hazar guenhegar chhutt jaye par EK begunah ko saza nahi honi chahiye. BUT, when it's the time to apply all these DOCTRINES we find him Doing a runner act. Case under consideration was the 3 year period and the final act of Chittor war, where he went NOT to do his RajDharma, BUT with an avowed intention of challenging his Khuda, and punished the SAME awaam(of another state) whose Neki he wants to earn, after winning the battle.?. Instead of accepting HIS role and inability to catch up the culprits in twins debacle, and to bring Ruqayya to book, these acts were done. I do not understand, why his brains become dysfunctional when it comes to catching Ruqayya.?.

Anyways, Jodha and Jalal have been reduced now, and paved way for Ruqayya.

@blue
You cracked me up..But let me assure you that Ruqayya will never be given her due.

@brown
This is what was not acceptable in a Love Story, which you claim to be EPIC..
NEVERRR...
A period when you need to hold the hand of your 'beloved' ; that time, you leave her, and that too for 3 years..?..
The rationale and logic ? Never mind , as there is NONE present now.
Remember, we are watching SA ; JA ended long BACKK..

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Thanks for a wonderful post! 👏 My views inline in purple.

Keep posting! I have received PMs from many friends who love your posts! 😊

Thanks so much!! I too love to read yours and everybody's posts here.😊😊