jodhaism and jalladism! DT Note Pg 7

Originally posted by: mandyg

hi everyone!
the heading is taken from what my dear forum fellow sandhya had to say about the current state of jalal..and i thought such a beautiful point needs a new thread and this is very much dedicated to my jalal and inspired from my dear sandhya!

jalal became akbar because of jodhaism..why all credits have been given to jodha for all the great deeds he did..and what about his own intelligence..his own capabilities and his own strategies?..he did become secular because he did not believe in one particular religion and respected all..worshiping kahna murti in jodha's hojra is one prime example as muslims are not allowed to worship murtis..but he did which speaks volumes about his greatness and being secular..and i would have appreciated if the show would have handled his being great with bit more logic and yes jodha might have advised him good and must have been really close to him and her involvement i will never shun away but the ultimate decision was only akbar's!

now jalal expanded his empire because he was jallad????..now what sort of a logic is that!..he was an intelligent man and knew what he was doing!..his military strategies were excellent and he did not have to be out of his character or go insane to conquer and win several territories..his actions and his conquers were all well planned and not like shown in the show!

last but not the least he was great..brave..intelligent..and far better than his contemporaries and there was no match to him around his time when he ruled! and i bow down to this great and complete man and a ruler!

all i can say is that i hope and wish ekta to show some traits of real akbar in our reel jalal..pl maam show his intelligence and show his well planned strategies be it war or administration..we want to see it..all we have got so far is twisted interpretation of history and his in and out rounds around the harem

Originally posted by: smile.sara

Mandy ... Ekta Jalal is emotional fool ... He has no control on his emotion infront of others... Whether love or hate he just shows off infront of every one ...even started blabbering his love for jodha to Abul Mali ... Can start crying bucket with drop of hat ... Always confuse ..kia Karu Kaya na Karu yah Kaisi mushkil haye...jodha begum akay bachaye

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Mandy dearest,

This script is like a ball of knitting wool with which a kitten has been playing. There is no way now that it can be straightened out.

so well said shyamala👏..what an example! i could not stop laughing😆

It is not just the havoc played with the depiction of Akbar/Jalal - though that is by far the most glaring as his is the central character and is supposed to represent one of the greatest personalities of all time. They have turned a great, if ruthless military strategist into a kohl-eyed, ranting maniac. Next they will turn him into a equally maniacal repenting puddle of guilt, with all that kohl running out of his eyes!😉

😆😆..kohl filled eyes..and a maniac! and then same kohl dripping down the eyes and making the guilt ooze out through every pore of the eye..! and i am dreading a spree of bhaashans on top of that..but i must say rajat looked like a maniac..he nailed it😉

But it is Jodha as well whose depiction is being twisted and made unbelievably inconsistent from one day to the other. The woman who was lamenting endlessly about Rajvanshi deaths on Friday was the same one who told Mansingh, during the the attack on the Raja of Panna- that too for precisely the same crime, of sheltering rebels against the Shahenshah - that an enemy is an enemy, whether he is Rajvanshi or Mughal, and that he should be loyal to the Shahenshah. This is such a glaring contradiction that it hits you in the eye. Her whole harping exclusively on Rajvanshis, as against Mughals, on Friday was very distasteful.

i agree! its jodha who was endlessly jaaping about rajwanshi versus mughal whereas jalal gave his reasons of attack..other than the twin death they all made sense! and when has jodha's character been consistent

I never had any high hopes of this serial for the past several months,but I had thought that they would fudge the fall of Chittor in Feb 1568 (and Ranthambhor in March 1569) by taking a several year leap to August 1569 and Salim. I never thought they would get into this double mess. Now, after Jalal has been re-reformed from a blood-crazed sinner to a great human being in Jodha Begum's Insanification 2.0, things look set to go completely haywire.

true that! and jodha will have to take jalal to the ganges to purify all his sins so that he can be fit for her love again..it reminds me of my cousin who happened to watch a forbidden movie and then my aunt had to purify her eyes with holi water and pray to ward off effects😆

I am waiting to see what they do to "explain" Jalal's attack on Ranthambhor the year after Chittor, though it ended smoothly in just a month, probably thanks to the effect of Chittor. That was in Feb-March 1569.

yes win over chittor must have made it easy for him to win over the rest as that was a big victory for him!

And Salim was born on August 30, 1569, so he must have been in works from early December 1568, that is to say 8 months after Chittor and just before Ranthambhor! What would that say about the Jodha-Jalal relationship post Chittor and pre-Ranthambhor?

hmm..interesting indeed! lets wait and watch what bombhell will ekta throw on our tender minds next🤪

So the epiphany at Chittor, if they show one of Jalal repenting furiously and getting back into Jodha Begum's good books, did not stop him, unlike Asoka, from launching more akaaran aur anuchit wars of conquest. The Hada Raja of Ranthambhor had not done anything against Akbar, not even to the extent of the hostility displayed by Kunwar Pratap, so that campaign was purely for the expansion of the empire. And there must have been at least some Rajvanshi rakht spilt there as well, at least due to the very heavy cannon fire from the Mughal side. So what is Jodha Begum going to do about that?

😆..then the sword will be filled with more blood tilaks and the sky will turn more deep red i guess and jodha along with moti will look at the sky and spill out some dialogues regarding anuchit and uchit strategies!

Then there was the campaign to conquer Gujarat in 1572, though as I had noted elsewhere, that would presumably not bother Jodha Begum as the dead there on the other side would not be Rajvanshi!

ok then that is a relief as jodha begum will be fine with that blood being shed🥱

My advice to you, for whatever it is worth, Mandy dearest, is to stop lamenting about the horrendous distortions in this Jalal. Paani sar ke upar ja chuka hai. Just duck for cover in the week ahead!

true shyamala! worst has happened and more will happen lets find our real akbar in documentaries and books and enjoy rajat's talent on screen and live with that!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: NATURESHIVANI

Mandy dear not so very new topic raise here but yet it's a topic to pointed boldly and shaymalya aunty your fact over this and views it's the most important thing as aunty said its a knitting ball from which kitten is still playing it's the current situation of this serial and it will remain the Same till it last episode from my view the show lost its old charm very before when its entered into so much of haram politics and those atifa n khiaber track and after showing a slow progress in story then suddenly the leap change behaviour war issues all this is too fast as the show face all this in beginning and suddenly again on the same path after the buttery smooth contenT and the main point I never give the whole credit to Jodha for the great Akbar n his great deeds she influence him but still he use his own brain to think and do any thing