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neeshaa16

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Posted: 11 years ago

#21

Dear Mansi,

Kudos to your optimism.. in spite of all the crap being shown. Haven't they changed History ?If its indeed a three year leap ..then according to History Jalal had distanced himself from Rukaiya and not from Jodha. .. But here according to CVS .. wow.. Ruks still remains scot free. and Jalal has distanced himself from Jo and is blaming her for kids death instead of Ruks.. Wow.. Thats called epic love between Rukaiya and Jalal.. Its Jalal-Rukaiya Epic love story.. I toh feel..

Anyways Now we know one thing for sure that Zee man always lies and that Ruks will never ever be punished as per Ektas version of JA.

After watching the episode a few lines from the song Neela Aasman so gaya came to my mind which fit the situation aptly

Aaj mohobatt pyaasi hai.

. badi gehri udaasii hai..

..Yes but I have learnt one thing from you Mansi.. Umeed pe duniyaa kayam hai.. lets hope that they come close again.. .. and lets not spoil our moods thinking about Ruks..

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Donjas

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Posted: 11 years ago

#22

The heading is misleading, 3 years have not passed. Once the 3 year supposition is deemed as false, then everything else needs to be reexamined in a new light.

If there had been a 3 year leap, they would have announced it in a VoiceOver just as they did for the 6 month leap leading to the twin's birth. Any leap of a sufficiently long duration, it is always announced, it is not left to the viewers to figure out.

As for following history, my advice to all, forget about history, this is a 'natkiya rupantar', events and time scales may differ significantly from history.

Edited by Donjas - 11 years ago

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gheet

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Posted: 11 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: skanda12

That's what the CVs are doing with Jodha and Jala but to watchers it seems unfair for one person (Jodha) to be bearing the brunt of everything, even if Ekta hopes to show Jodha as ultra strong by doing this!

Yes, it's very painful to watch and it is so unfair- this is Ekta's cliche..we can't expect better than this and the CV's love for villain and negativity is something that I just can't understand or digest - disgusting...

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Mansi

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Posted: 11 years ago

#24

Originally posted by: neeshaa16
Dear Mansi,

Kudos to your optimism.. in spite of all the crap being shown. Haven't they changed History ?If its indeed a three year leap ..then according to History Jalal had distanced himself from Rukaiya and not from Jodha. .. But here according to CVS .. wow.. Ruks still remains scot free. and Jalal has distanced himself from Jo and is blaming her for kids death instead of Ruks.. Wow.. Thats called epic love between Rukaiya and Jalal.. Its Jalal-Rukaiya Epic love story.. I toh feel..

Anyways Now we know one thing for sure that Zee man always lies and that Ruks will never ever be punished as per Ektas version of JA.

After watching the episode a few lines from the song Neela Aasman so gaya came to my mind which fit the situation aptly

Aaj mohobatt pyaasi hai.

. badi gehri udaasii hai..

..Yes but I have learnt one thing from you Mansi.. Umeed pe duniyaa kayam hai.. lets hope that they come close again.. .. and lets not spoil our moods thinking about Ruks..

I am watching serials for nearly ten years now. If I get all flustered by any one serial I will never have anything to watch since all follow the same crappy formula! So I don't want my mood to be dependnt on the serials to such an extent that my life stinks!

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DearZindagi12

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Posted: 11 years ago

#25

Mansi I am highly disappointed with this show...sorry I am going to vent out on your thread

Over all we can blame cv's and only cv's for showing such disgusting track.. real jalal nor thr lovestory was like this..more over cv's did all this

1)RT's Marriage
2)to avoid showing other kids death
3)they need to show jallad jalal in chittor war..even history says he was cruel post kids death and started expanding his empire
4)post this war he il become human again..agian we il get to see some twist
5)now he punished jo ..though he said he doesnt love anyone..but no wen rukku tried to come inbet he showed her aukad..they love each other madly..fight with each other badly..but they wont allow anyone to come inbetween them.
6)this track is not over yet...something is yet to be revealed..he thinks jo was with him..but he fails to see in this grief he too was equally invloved and responsible for this
7)he il realise his mistake thru someone
8)then he il repent and comes back to jo ,il ask forgiveness for giving her such pain aur balti bar bar ke rona hai
9)by then jo wud hav gone back to grinha phase.
10)again love story starts and then salim's birth il take place..

philal dono jal rahe hai aag main..jal ne do ..jalkar jab shudh hokar bahar ayenge tab phir se inki dono dil ek dusre ke liye dadak ne lagegi...

again take it as ekta's show and her love story..plz dont mix it up with real life jodha akbar..in her shows always hero's il put the blame on heroine and heroine will take all the pain ..after years hero il find out the truth and il repent..heroine happily accepts him...and heroines il be always treated as doormat..

watch this show as daily soap..lets not compare it with real life love story...dont expect anything from this show..it only leads to disappointment...

the epic love story they showed for last 352 episodes is dead today... They have made a mockery out of Real Akbar and MUZ

Just loved only jodha..after going thru hell lot of pain and many tortures she stood beside jalal as his support..this is unconditional love .. not like jalal ..who runs away from problems like a coward and tortures jo and leaves her all alone to handle her problems alone..unfit to be a husband

wat they did that night was a two way street..so blaming jodha alone like a coward running away from problems becoming jallad doest give him that sukoon that he il get it from jodha..he is in a guilt and in pain that thr mohabbat made them lose thr baby..but at the same time if not today tmw hussain il die..and he is destined to die..and no one can stop that..jalal fail to understand that we cant change wat is written in destiny.. he was thinking since his innocent kids were killed he il kill other innocent people..but that was in destiny and no one can go against destiny and god..

Now the story is back to square one ,ruthless and cruel Jalal on one side and selfish greedy women on the other side and both mughals blamed kids mother as the murderer ..today they proved they are mughals and jodha is not part of thr religion..easily put all blame on jodha..and showed such a discrimination

he proved that he is a bloody male like others..wen jalal accused jodha..she kept quiet coz she feels some whr she was not thr to save her kid wen he was in danger..how long does it take for her to ask if she had forced him to spend the night with her...if he was so worried, why didn't he go to Hussein that night...what steps did he take to protect Hussein after Hasan's death...why he had allowed Ruq to appoint Zeenat as the dai for Hussein...why Ruq sent Zeenat to her hojra when Jodha was fully capable of feeding Hussein herself...

Being a mother she had gone thru all pain and inturn got d blame as the murderer..wat was her mistake..coz she married to to this heartless person..who in a sec expresses his lov for her and next min throws her out of his life.. its infact she should ask all these questions to him and agra clan just she is married to him her kids died..his selfish relatives who took her kids life..whr as a father he failed to protect them..even after knowing that his cousin's family suffered coz of his father humayun.. he failed to do the security check..he failed to keep an eye on them wen they both were caught on the very first day..when he and his bek believed his cousin and his wife y would jo suspect them..more over it was rukku who had given free access to Zeenat to reach out to his kids..he failed to see that ..he was incapable in protecting his kids..jo was not aware of hassan's death.she still thinks it was natural.but this jallad knows its not natural then y didn't he force her to go back..or y didn't he join her and go to jodha's hojra..

He is not worth for jodha..he deserves only people like rukku maham MC abu mali sharif and many others.. his bek used everyone for her own audha..his bek insulted him in dek...he had forgiven her..coz she is a mughal and his blood..wat was jodha's mistake..coz she went to see him..at that time this fellow who was half drunk and his harmones made him sleep with her..and later on easily blamed jo..whr was this so called father wen hassan was poisoned during jashan..whr was this so called father wen zeenat tried to kill hussain on day one..if javeda was not thr hussain wud hav died long back..

today he failed as a so called lover..so called husband..so called father ..who blamed his own kids mother as the reason of thr death..he failed as a king..as an emperor..he failed as a human...

As a lover he he failed coz he never tried to understand jodha's pain..today both jalal and rukku behaved as if they are the real parents and jodha is surrogate mother..who is just a baby giving machine.. he was not loyal to jo ..never he stood up for jo wen she was in need of it..

As a husband he failed all his responisblities..wen others were insulting he failed to protect her..wen others were blaming her instead he too went against her and treated her as doormat

As a father of twins he failed badly..he failed to protect his kids..and gave free access to assasins and trusted them and his bek than his soul mate..he inturn blamed kids mother being responsible for thr death..how wud thr children feel in heaven that thank god instead of being kids to such monster its better we died..in a rage my so called father blamed my mother for our death...wen the reason behind our death was coz of my grand father and father deeds..my mom had to go thru so much pain..

He failed as a king ...who failed to give justice to jodha and his kids.. and inturned blamed jodha

Failed as a human..he is not fit to be called as human..wen he can blame kids own mother he can do anything..

3 years is a long period of time for any woman to hold on to hoping her husband would return to her. And then what kind of man? If he blamed Jodha for Hussein's death, why didn't he blame Ruq for Hasan's death?

and why didn't he blame himself for both deaths because ultimately he was the decision maker and the entire responsibility was his?he is behaving as if rajvanshi's killed his sons..whr in his so called realtives his agra clan and his bek killed his sons..

These sadist CVs killed the love story and murdered the real characters of Akbar and MUZ

The day jodha truns heartless and ruthless only then entire agra clan il get to no and il come to thr senses

After what is being shown. How can any woman trust such a man, who instead of supporting her in her time of need, killed her soul.

There was no need to show him being angry with Jodha and Jodha being sidelined to remove the focus from her in a war against her people. Even if relations between the two are normal, he can still decide to go on war and she can still be shown to oppose him on this.. But I never imagined that Jodha would be punished for a crime she didn't commit.

Better they change the show's name and rename it as akbar the grt or any other name..its an insutlt to jodha and akbar..showing the title doesn't refer to Jodha being the love of Akbar's life but how he humiliated her all his life and how she was just dirt in his eyes and to prove that actually there never was any love story

If I am at jodha's place I would have removed him from my life and wud hav lived a life only for god ..no one was loyal to her..neither her friend moti nor hb nor salima nor amer clan nor so called husband.. only god can heal her pain.. its better to leave everyone and go to some piligrim and live her life thr..if nor its better to take her life instead of living her life with such selfish people..no one deserves her..this show is no

By the way wat is maansingh doing thr..he was thr to protect jodha..but no he doing chemchagiri to jalal.

Worst track and worst episode till date

Edited by Gem12 - 11 years ago

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Charu

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Posted: 11 years ago

#26

Brillant write-up Mansi .

This is my feedback on what I think are the reasons for Jalal's behavior . I am not endorsing his unacceptable attitude towards Jodha .

Jalal is NOT angry with Jodha . He is angry at himself . He is loaded with guilt for being an irresponsible parent by being unable to provide a safe environment within the mahal for his twins thus allowing the wicked cousins from Lahore to be successful in their vile act . This guilt also stems from the realization that he was also equally responsible for Jodha staying away from Hussein that fateful night .Every time he sees Jodha , he is reminded of the twins that were a symbol of their union,every time he sees Jodha , he feels that he has let her down as a husband . He is unable to face her , hence has isolated himself from her .

That he still loves her was amply clear by the fleeting but intense look of concern that he shot at her while marching down the mahal with Maan Singh in tow.The fact that he loves and values ONLY her stamp of approval was evident when he insisted that only she perform the Tilak pooja , prior to his leaving for war .

There is immense love hidden behind that intense guilt , pain , anger and blame game .

This temporary separation will prove to be bitter sweet .Their love for each other will outweigh the guilt and anger that is tearing him apart . Jodha's mature level headed thinking will play a major role in bringing about a calming effect in him .She sees his display of anger as a cry for help . So she is unwillingly allowing him to vent his pain and frustration by waging a war . Her patience and quiet understanding is sustaining their relationship .Never once did she lose faith in her love for him and question his unacceptable behavior towards her . She is silently suffering along with him .

I feel that the gory sight of the aftermath of the Chittor war will make him realize that by making a decision of going to war in anger ,and being directly responsible for all the innocent lives lost in battle , will not bring his dead babies back to life .Jodha's words of advise to him prior to war will haunt him and force him to rethink about his senseless brutality .

After retuning from the war , I am expecting to see positive changes in his personality.I would love to see him walking in a trance like state into Jodha's hojra when he hears her sing 'Hey murlidhar, hey damodar' . Jodha will reinstall his faith in the Almighty . This will be the first step towards their healing and spiritual journey together .

Charu .

Edited by JAfanCharu - 11 years ago

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Mansi

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Posted: 11 years ago

#27

Originally posted by: Donjas
The heading is misleading, 3 years have not passed. Once the 3 year supposition is deemed as false, then everything else needs to be reexamined in a new light.

If there had been a 3 year leap, they would have announced it in a VoiceOver just as they did for the 6 month leap leading to the twin's birth. Any leap of a sufficiently long duration, it is always announced, it is not left to the viewers to figure out.

As for following history, my advice to all, forget about history, this is a 'natkiya rupantar', events and time scales may differ significantly from history.

Donjas, I am just repeating what I had replied to Chiona:

Historically speaking it was three years between time of twins death and Chittor war. Of course Ekta can collapse history if she wants and say that it was just one month or whatever ... and that Jalal was saying the Rajvanshis gave trouble for the last three years.

The only consolation we get if we accept the Ekta may have collapsed the three years into shorter time is that we can feel happy Jo-Ja were not separated for so long! If we want we can imagine it like that!

Since it was not expressly said it's up to us what we would like to think, unless Ekta clarifies the position one way or another. I prefer to think of the longer time span as an insurance against feeling bad later. better I reconcile to the longer time span and accept it than imagine that natakiya rupanthar was shorter and then find Ekta intended a three year separation.

Just a self-preservation ploy!

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MaddyO

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Posted: 11 years ago

#28

Mansi I am in rush today so very short but VENTING post.

They actually murdered the "epic love" story yesterday.

If they show some lollypop Ruk exposure it has TOTALLY lost its meaning cos she got away scot free, she was the murderer of twins by getting Zeenat access to them and refusing Jodha.

WE ALL KNOW they took leap of 3 years no matter what Zee or the PATHETIC DECENCY AND ETHICS OR RESPONSIBILITY CHALLENGED writers might say - cos twins 64 Chittor was 67-68 so they took 3 years leap.

I will not be surprised they did this cos they had no guts to show Akbar barbarizm in the war then why even show it? Why glorify WHY he did it cos it will hurt sentiments. I wish someone files a case against BT for this butchering. The writers should be named in the suit and made a party.

I think they will directly show Jodha is pregnant when Jalal comes back and it will be with Salim so he will be glad at getting a waris and he will beg fake sob with Jodha say fake sorry so that he can keep Jodha in somewhat decent mood so HIS WARIS remains safe

So NO love he will PRETEND to love her for getting the waris safely in his hands.
Granted he is hurting but why then HE DID NOT BLAME Ruk for bringing Zeenat as dai? Why he did not accuse Ruk of risking twins by getting Zeenat even when Jodha was wanting to feed Hussain? Why Jalal has no guts to accuse Ruk? Cos he loves Ruk and he will NEVER insult her in public - Jodha? she gave up her child for his honor and HE LAID ALL BLAME ON HER for twins while Jalal and Ruk got scot free

HE welcomed his cousins, his security was pathetic, no investigation in fire or security for Hussain and Ruk trusted Zeenat more than Jodha and JODHA IS LEFT WITH THE BLAME BY HIM - HE SEDUCED Jodha with his words and for saying that token you should be with Hussain he blames her. This Jalal is a coward and barbarian at the same time. He does not deserve Jodha.

I am glad SA seems to be coming.

Yesterday basically this love story died and Jalal killed Jodha by his words.

So there is only Jalal left here and HIS REAL LOVE Ruk

Just watching for Paridhi and Rajat now and I HOPE they are not part of this atrocity and absolute lack of any moral responsibility by Ekta.

They are super actors and have huge number of fans and they will have glorious careers.

I hope Ekta is made to pay by someone by filing a case against her and levied HUGE MONETARY PENALTY for doing this. She only understands this language. I hope her PH finally starts paying for THIS with their KARMA.

PS : I won't be surprised if Rajat and Paridhi are completing their shooting for JA entirely. So he will finish HIS work for JA and Paridhi HERS. So they will rush he comes back, hears she is pregnant, sob say sorry and then announce birth of Salim and directly into SA. If they rush this who knows Paridhi and Rajat might be completing their shootings before he takes his break and after Diwali they both will look for other serials/movies options.

Edited by MaddyO - 11 years ago

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Donjas

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Posted: 11 years ago

#29

Originally posted by: skanda12

Donjas, I am just repeating what I had replied to Chiona:

Historically speaking it was three years between time of twins death and Chittor war. Of course Ekta can collapse history if she wants and say that it was just one month or whatever ... and that Jalal was saying the Rajvanshis gave trouble for the last three years.

The only consolation we get if we accept the Ekta may have collapsed the three years into shorter time is that we can feel happy Jo-Ja were not separated for so long! If we want we can imagine it like that!

Since it was not expressly said it's up to us what we would like to think, unless Ekta clarifies the position one way or another. I prefer to think of the longer time span as an insurance against feeling bad later. better I reconcile to the longer time span and accept it than imagine that natakiya rupanthar was shorter and then find Ekta intended a three year separation.

Just a self-preservation ploy!

I am saying, forget that you know anything about history. Just examine the situation as an ordinary serial not a historical. So, Ekta has not compressed 3 years into 3 weeks. The time now is a little while after the death of the twins.

If that is so, the sequence of events is as follows-1 Kids die 2 Jalal gets bitter and goes on a warpath to forget his pain

I will repeat, if there is a leap of any duration, they will announce it

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Mansi

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: Gem12

Mansi I am highly disappointed with this show...sorry I am going to vent out on your thread

Over all we can blame cv's and only cv's for showing such disgusting track.. real jalal nor thr lovestory was like this..more over cv's did all this

1)RT's Marriage
2)to avoid showing other kids death
3)they need to show jallad jalal in chittor war..even history says he was cruel post kids death and started expanding his empire
4)post this war he il become human again..agian we il get to see some twist
5)now he punished jo ..though he said he doesnt love anyone..but no wen rukku tried to come inbet he showed her aukad..they love each other madly..fight with each other badly..but they wont allow anyone to come inbetween them.
6)this track is not over yet...something is yet to be revealed..he thinks jo was with him..but he fails to see in this grief he too was equally invloved and responsible for this
7)he il realise his mistake thru someone
8)then he il repent and comes back to jo ,il ask forgiveness for giving her such pain aur balti bar bar ke rona hai
9)by then jo wud hav gone back to grinha phase.
10)again love story starts and then salim's birth il take place..

philal dono jal rahe hai aag main..jal ne do ..jalkar jab shudh hokar bahar ayenge tab phir se inki dono dil ek dusre ke liye dadak ne lagegi...

again take it as ekta's show and her love story..plz dont mix it up with real life jodha akbar..in her shows always hero's il put the blame on heroine and heroine will take all the pain ..after years hero il find out the truth and il repent..heroine happily accepts him...and heroines il be always treated as doormat..

watch this show as daily soap..lets not compare it with real life love story...dont expect anything from this show..it only leads to disappointment...

the epic love story they showed for last 352 episodes is dead today... They have made a mockery out of Real Akbar and MUZ

Just loved only jodha..after going thru hell lot of pain and many tortures she stood beside jalal as his support..this is wat we can unconditional love is.. not like jalal ..who runs away from problems like a coward and tortures jo and leaves her all alone to handle her problems alone..unfit to be a husband

wat they did that night was a two way street..so blaming jodha alone like a coward running away from problems becoming jallad doest give him that sukoon that he il get it from jodha..he is in a guilt and in pain that thr mohabbat made them lose thr baby..but at the same time if not today tmw hussain il die..and he is destined to die..and no one can stop that..jalal fail to understand that we cant change wat is written in destiny.. he was thinking since his innocent kids were killed he il kill other innocent people..but that was in destiny and no one can go against destiny and god..

Now the story is back to square one ,ruthless and cruel Jalal on one side and selfish greedy women on the other side and both mughals blamed kids mother as the murderer ..today they proved they are mughals and jodha is not part of thr religion..easily put all blame on jodha..and showed such a discrimination

he proved that he is a bloody male like others..wen jalal accused jodha..she kept quiet coz she feels some whr she was not thr to save her kid wen he was in danger..how long does it take for her to ask if she had forced him to spend the night with her...if he was so worried, why didn't he go to Hussein that night...what steps did he take to protect Hussein after Hasan's death...why he had allowed Ruq to appoint Zeenat as the dai for Hussein...why Ruq sent Zeenat to her hojra when Jodha was fully capable of feeding Hussein herself...

Being a mother she had gone thru all pain and inturn got d blame as the murderer..wat was her mistake..coz she married to to this heartless person..who in a sec expresses his lov for her and next min throws her out of his life.. its infact she should ask all these questions to him and agra clan just she is married to him her kids died..his selfish relatives who took her kids life..whr as a father he failed to protect them..even after knowing that his cousin's family suffered coz of his father humayun.. he failed to do the security check..he failed to keep an eye on them wen they both were caught on the very first day..when he and his bek believed his cousin and his wife y would jo suspect them..more over it was rukku who had given free access to Zeenat to reach out to his kids..he failed to see that ..he was incapable in protecting his kids..jo was not aware of hassan's death.she still thinks it was natural.but this jallad knows its not natural then y didn't he force her to go back..or y didn't he join her and go to jodha's hojra..

He is not worth for jodha..he deserves only people like rukku maham MC abu mali sharif and many others.. his bek used everyone for her own audha..his bek insulted him in dek...he had forgiven her..coz she is a mughal and his blood..wat was jodha's mistake..coz she went to see him..at that time this fellow who was half drunk and his harmones made him sleep with her..and later on easily blamed jo..whr was this so called father wen hassan was poisoned during jashan..whr was this so called father wen zeenat tried to kill hussain on day one..if javeda was not thr hussain wud hav died long back..

today he failed as a so called lover..so called husband..so called father ..who blamed his own kids mother as the reason of thr death..he failed as a king..as an emperor..he failed as a human...

As a lover he he failed coz he never tried to understand jodha's pain..today both jalal and rukku behaved as if they are the real parents and jodha is surrogate mother..who is just a baby giving machine.. he was not loyal to jo ..never he stood up for jo wen she was in need of it..

As a husband he failed all his responisblities..wen others were insulting he failed to protect her..wen others were blaming her instead he too went against her and treated her as doormat

As a father of twins he failed badly..he failed to protect his kids..and gave free access to assasins and trusted them and his bek than his soul mate..he inturn blamed kids mother being responsible for thr death..how wud thr children feel in heaven that thank god instead of being kids to such monster its better we died..in a rage my so called father blamed my mother for our death...wen the reason behind our death was coz of my grand father and father deeds..my mom had to go thru so much pain..

He failed as a king ...who failed to give justice to jodha and his kids.. and inturned blamed jodha

Failed as a human..he is not fit to be called as human..wen he can blame kids own mother he can do anything..

3 years is a long period of time for any woman to hold on to hoping her husband would return to her. And then what kind of man? If he blamed Jodha for Hussein's death, why didn't he blame Ruq for Hasan's death?

and why didn't he blame himself for both deaths because ultimately he was the decision maker and the entire responsibility was his?he is behaving as if rajvanshi's killed his sons..whr in his so called realtives his agra clan and his bek killed his sons..

These sadist CVs killed the love story and murdered the real characters of Akbar and MUZ

The day jodha truns heartless and ruthless only then entire agra clan il get to no and il come to thr senses

After what is being shown. How can any woman trust such a man, who instead of supporting her in her time of need, killed her soul.

There was no need to show him being angry with Jodha and Jodha being sidelined to remove the focus from her in a war against her people. Even if relations between the two are normal, he can still decide to go on war and she can still be shown to oppose him on this.. But I never imagined that Jodha would be punished for a crime she didn't commit.

Better they change the show's name and rename it as akbar the grt or any other name..its an insutlt to jodha and akbar..showing the title doesn't refer to Jodha being the love of Akbar's life but how he humiliated her all his life and how she was just dirt in his eyes and to prove that actually there never was any love story

If I am at jodha's place I would have removed him from my life and wud hav lived a life only for god ..no one was loyal to her..neither her friend moti nor hb nor salima nor amer clan nor so called husband.. only god can heal her pain.. its better to leave everyone and go to some piligrim and live her life thr..if nor its better to take her life instead of living her life with such selfish people..no one deserves her..this show is no

By the way wat is maansingh doing thr..he was thr to protect jodha..but no he doing chemchagiri to jalal.

Worst track and worst episode till date

Gem, I hope all that venting was cathartic. That's the best wishes I can have for you at this time for you sound so down and out that my heart bleeds!