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Posted: 10 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: MaddyO




I absolutely felt shocked that he could so easily put all blame on her and shut her off so insultingly.
I don't think he does not love her, question is what is HIS love? He can easily give her pain cos he is hurting and he used to say he cannot stand to see her in pain! So who is he lying to? Jodha or himself?

Maybe his love is shallow and this might teach him we don't know

How can Jodha not remember his horrible accusation at her if he comes near her again? How can she not remember the last time and then think what he did to her after that?

He has turned everything so ugly how can she ever let him near her in love?



maddy ur answer to all ur question is she is ekta's heroine..she il accept all his faults..pati parameshwar hai...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: lasyap3

"Guilt isn't always a rational thing, Guilt is a weight that will crush you whether you deserve it or not."


I am shocked Maddy...

I need sometime to pen my thoughts...😕

Really, the BLAME GAME was intolerable,both from Ruqaiyya and Jalal...Not expected from Jalal atleast...Yeh banda bhi aesa nikla...🥱




Lasya, wonderful quote - yes I think Jalal's guilt is crushing him - that his cousin murdered his kids and he was not able to protect them, that he did not safeguard them, that he was with Jodha when Hussain needed them - so he is taking out all his guilt and pain and dumping the blame on Jodha.

I felt absolutely shocked and horrified when Jalal dumped all blame on Jodha and even then she followed him and he rudely shut the curtains on her. Even if he had slapped her would not have felt this shocked.

What a cowardly thing to do, he half heartedly told her to go to Hussain and then seduced her with his words of mohabbat and sukoon and he turned everything so ugly today.

I cannot see how Jodha can ever let him touch her again without remembering how he turned it ugly and laid all blame on her.

Of course she would feel guilty and he would feel guilty but to use that to dump it on her was extremely brutal and cowardly at the same time.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: preetgurti

Leap happening we might have seen jodha akbar last shot and parijat .

writer tweet

'Ishq hai wo ahsaas... Badal de jo duniyaa.'
Samay bhi badalega...aage badhne ka naam hi zindagi hai. :)




wat does it mean...no more parijat..???no more JA???

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Maddy, Donjas,
Both of you have written well. I mostly agree with both of you because Maddy mentioned what happened and Donjas why it may have been shown thus.

We are back to square one today - ruthless Jalal, selfish, shameless Ruq and at the mercy of all Jodha. What a pity - what a turnaround for the EPIC love story...

Men...find it so easy to blame women for everything... After Jalal accused Jodha, she should have asked him if she had forced him to spend the night with her...if he was so worried, why didn't he go to Hussein that night...what steps did he take to protect Hussein after Hasan's death...why he had allowed Ruq to appoint Zeenat as the dai for Hussein...why Ruq sent Zeenat to her hojra when Jodha was fully capable of feeding Hussein herself...why he was absolving himself and Ruq of all guilt and pinning it all on Jodha?

If Jodha has any shame / self-respect still remaining, she SHOULD NOT try to reform Jalal this time around. Let him realise his mistake and come begging to her himself. Let her give him the cold shoulder and maintain her dignity. She DOESN'T NEED him. He needs her.

Man Singh ... another man...with no sense of where his loyalties should be...He is in Agra because of Jodha...But he is ready to stick to Jalal even if Jalal walks all over Jodha.

Hamida...a woman who has no idea who needs support and when. Instead of asking Jodha to take care of Jalal, she should have asked Jalal to take care of Jodha...Instead of consoling Ruq, she should have gone to console Jodha...Does she think Jodha has no feelings and her only task is to take care of JAlal, even if he humiliates her instead of supporting her?

What was Hamida thinking of when she forced Jodha to apply tilak to Jalal?

The problem is that I will blame Jodha only for bringing this situation on to herself. She has been too noble so far, adjusting and going out of her way and putting her feelings on hold and pandering to everyone's whims and fancies.

3 years is a long period of time for any woman to hold on to hoping her husband would return to her. And then what kind of man? This guy who keeps turning any which way with the wind? Who is chicken enough to pin the blame on her and give himself and Ruq a clean chit? If he blamed Jodha for Hussein's death, why didn't he blame Ruq for Hasan's death?
And why didn't he blame himself for both deaths because ultimately he was the decision maker and the entire responsibility was his?

The day Jodha turns a ruthless warrior herself, then both Jalal and Ruq will come to their senses.

Donjas, I agree, the whole idea behind the intimate encounter between AkDha seemed to be to pin the blame entirely on Jodha, make her feel guilty, glorify Ruq, give an excuse to Jalal to wage a cruel war.

After what is being shown, I wouldn't care for any love making between AkDha again. How can any woman trust such a man, who instead of supporting her in her time of need, killed her soul and shredded her dignity, made a mockery of her gift of twins, poured acid over her sacrifice of giving up one child?

I have maintained right from the beginning that Ruq will never be punished. I was ready for that and I felt no disappointment that she again got away scot free.

But I never imagined that Jodha would be punished for a crime she didn't commit. I mean, who tells these CVs about what happened? Do they believe that Salim didn't happen for many years because Jalal didn't have relations with Jodha? Did it never occur to their thick skulls that there can be any number of reasons why a viable baby was not born for long?

Returning to Ruq, she could have been given a token punishment and a VO could have said that Jalal sidelined her for introducing Zeenat as a dai and letting her kill the twins. She would have remained part and parcel of the show and could have been shown to be plotting even more against Jodha because she had been sidelined by Jalal. She could have remained the main vamp and it would have looked more credible also to see her being so negative after being punished by Jalal.

If this war is the war we all think it to be, the reasons were different. He didn't go there just because he was still angry after 3 years for losing his babies.

There was no need to show him being angry with Jodha and Jodha being sidelined to remove the focus from her in a war against her people. Even if relations between the two are normal, he can still decide to go on war and she can still be shown to oppose him on principles. But this would never occur to CVs.

All in all, today, the CVs killed the love story and murdered the characters of Akbar and MUZ.

Perhaps, the title doesn't refer to Jodha being the love of Akbar's life but how he humiliated her all his life and how she was just dirt in his eyes and to prove that actually there never was any love story. In other words, the title was to be taken as ironical while we took it to be literally true.

Perhaps the CVs believe that Ruq was the great love of Jalal's life and they always remained close, even though Ruq often publicly reduced him to an object of ridicule.

PS: Maddy, sorry for venting on your thread. 😕
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Posted: 10 years ago
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brilliant post agree with ur each line very well written
i forgot abt ruks exposure she is suprme👏.. jalal shouldn't blame jodha for the kids death😡
she's the mother for heaven's sake.😡
whatever happened that night they were both in it together, she wasn't going and neither was he letting her go(after they begun)😡...its not like there was announcement that the kids were going to be poisoned
jodha too should take it easy on herself,it is what you make it...considering oneself to be at fault is enough to feed an accusation and make it real in the eyes of everyone.😭😭

it seems like jalal tried to keep his cool but his grief built up and became a bundle of anger that is just looking to get out,hence he's on his last nerves.
he took it out not only on jodha,but ruks,his court and now the war...i hate jalal coz he blamed jodha😡

bt if this is cruel jalal so after returning from war he should go straight to ruqu..like before...i want this to happen...

I am glad n want to congratulate salima👏 for shutting Ruqs mouth😡. That put a stop to her mourning drama, in fact she is directly to be accussed of HH death. Her ego!!.😡

I didn't expect Jalal to give such her nasty remark to Jodha😡, even if he had condemn his love for her then it would not have hurt her so much. They r equally in it n to take on Jodha so bluntly is cruel. Saying that she neglected her duty for her son😡😡😡.

We know Jalal is too broken inside n hurt so much but he forgot Jodha suffers too.😭 The way he turn and pull the curtain was rude n showing that he is shutting Jodha out of his life🥺. itz cleared now jalal doesnt love jodha anymore..coz he said he has no dil means NO jodha👏🤢 Jodha is stunned with these behaviour😭 but helpless n just carry the burden of losing her son n on top of it the pain of accusation from her love🤢. That was too much for her. She is a strong woman n will find a way out.

Jalal seem not to understand that being cruel,harsh, ruthless means he don't have a heart. He think Jo's love has changed him to have a heart. He fail to c that he himself has realised he has a heart 😳

Jodha didn't force on him. He change because he want to😳. Because he has a heart that y he feels the pain, grieve on loss of his sons. He don't know how to get it out because this time Jodha whom he also go to for comfort is now seen as the contributor of his pain. He knows his change is hurting Jodha perhaps that wat he wants, to hurt his heart/love.i e jodha😒

Jodha character has always been consistent, she c wrong she is bold to confront. Her blood on the sword will answer his anger👏. may be not sure The distance between them some how will bring a stronger bond of trust in them.
Today I felt more for Jodha😭 than Jalal😡i dont think there is 3 years leap..zee man told abt it now itz confirmed😳..

ruthless jalal is back..i will never understand how people can be so cruel & do things to purposely hurt someone. is that how you would like to be treated my dear🤔?now jalal is also going for war to hurt ppls who r innocent...i read somewhere cause of this war many rajwanshi ladies commited jauhar ..hard but sometimes some people are hard to forgive, but I do try to understand why they are so cruel and than just try to feel compassionate for them because something is deeply wrong.but whats wrong with jalal..he is going to punish innocent ppl..it was his relatives naa they had snatched babies n u will punish rajwanshi ppl for nothing😡just hate u jalal..jodha can u forgive this jalal..??acc to jo's nature i think NO ..n i want jodha will hate jalal like before..

bt if this is cruel jalal so after returning from war he should go this straight to ruqu..like before spent night with ur real love ruqu jalal only deserves ruqu n his other begums x y z...n plz jalal completely ignore jodha..u have many begums...n i want jodha should go to her ghrina mode...,wil hate n stay away from that jallad i really want this to happen..😉

i would like to hear ghrina from her mouth after a long time😉coz when she says ghrina it was like music to my ears so soothing😆it is completely NR then i want a rajwanshi handsome hunk come for jodha..n take her away from pagalkhana n dt cruel jalal.. jodha needs a loyal husband who will support understand her n stand beside her in her happiness n sorrow..i really want this now..


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: suguJA

Maddy shanth ho jao 😕 I know its terrible to see him blaming jodha for their act , it was puke worthy to blame a women for this n a mother who lost her two children 🤢 , but this CVS r totally sadistic to show this crap in name of NR 🤬 , but I agree with gem n donjas too here 😲 , they had a valid point 👏
Agree that Abhay u r really upset n u know its becoz we know the real history thru u but other's generally who r unknown of real history ll believe the crap shown by CVS , that makes me even more upset that real history of Akbar n MUZ is butchered mercilessly by CVS and BT 😡 😕 🤬




I found it absolutely cowardly that not able to face his pain he put all guilt all blame on her and shut her out. She has undergone drinking poison for him, been thrown out by him and still she loves him and what he does? He turns something she did out of love and so pure - she even gave up her baby for his honor and he made her the guilty party.

It is sick and these CVs are pure sick sadists, no respect for historical figures or decency responsibility in their depiction.

They absolutely butchered Akbar and HK today.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Neetz

Awesome post Maddy. You are way too angry today, aren't you?😛

Jalal blaming Jodha was way too much but it was also a farce. And 3 years is a really long time to carry the burden of guilt man...
Mixed feelings about the epi today. I am not able to put my thoughts into words for now.




Hi Neetz - missed your long wonderful posts.

Whatever it was maybe a shield, he made her feel worse. How it that his love? Did he not tell her he cannot bear to see her in pain? Then was he lying them to her or to himself?

He could keep her in guilt for 3 years does not feel like love to me. If this was done in anger for few days different feeling.



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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: -aady-


Why show epic journey of love and care, when one incident where they should be with each other can spoil the whole relationship. I am even okay with Jalal distancing himself from everyone-he is heart broken and is angry. But why blame it on Jodha entirely? They were both there during SR, she was not alone.

I do not know why CV's are spoiling the serial like this. Now they will take one year to fall in love again and more SR to have Salim? This serial is about true love, not materialistic love. It would have been great to see JJ supporting each other during this time.

They have made love look like a joke and have showed us that the meaner you are the more importance you get. Rukaiiya after 3 years continues to be there, when she was the one who let Zeenat become dai ma. I am wondering what crap we will get next?

The CV's have made Jalal look absolutely disgusting, when they had so much potential to make this a track where JJ are there for each other supporting one another.



Exaclty Aadhya, THIS Jalal is coming across like a coward who runs from his pain and hides behind his anger and for that he needs to make Jodha feel guilty and lay all blame on her

Ruk as always goes scot free

What mostly would have been a bonding time for them the CVs in their sick ugliness turned into hatred and distance

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: MPMANU

hi Maddy...

What to say...I just lost of word reading the written update...It brought tears when reading the first scene and now it's 2am and lost my sleep...If this was happening today, I would give Jodha some legal advise for free...pls divorce him...on the grounds that his behavior is irrational making living impossible and cruel, giving endless mental torture...deserting her for more than 2 years...God...I agree with u Maddy that Jalal have killed Jodha. But am I angry at him? Strangely no. As much as I dont want Jodha to go through this but I dont blame him. Because for me he is suffering from serious psychiatric illness. He might be clinically sound but even that I'm not sure. But he surely legally unsound. So, I'm not really happy about his back to Jallad form. Hussein's death alone should not be isolated as an event but his entire life where loosing one love one after another. He is very sensitive person. And very emotional person, anger also is an emotion. He is emotionally very weak and hussein's death is a final blow which have burned the fuse if his brain. Coward as you say, is also correct, he is running away from his pain, his mistake, his love and most importantly HIMSELF. In this process he is killing the other half of him. Well, what Jalal is suffering is a complicated grief reaction riddled with grievance -the common hallmark of pathological unresolved mourning. ( this is quoted from a psychiatric doctor's witness statement). pathological grief reactions are not just slight exaggerations of the normal mourning process which is part of normal experience for everybody at sometime. The normal process of mourning is self-limiting and although there is some disability,it passes, with the reestablishment of a realistic perspective of life and the memories of loss. By contrast, pathological or resolved mourning may be of any degree of severity - mild, moderate, severe or catastrophic. It is marked by its duration. It can last months or'years and also by an exaggeration of the normal features of mourning, often to a bizarre extent, such as with an extreme pre-occupation and attachment to grievances or idealisation of an attachment to the deceased, and underlying mutual or self reproach. So, I'm not saying that Jalal is mad but he is suffering. And this make him all the more a human. And his situation is not uncommon and there are many out there. It's just they are not a king.

Now coming to Ruks, I'm still think that there will be a ruks exposure. I really want Jodha to do that and that will be a slap to wake jalal up. It will be a good start for her healing. Because she to is suffering alot. And unknowingly Jalal is the main reason for her pain. Ultimately, they are medicine for their pain.

Why I have little hope of ruks exposure? 1. She cant run away always. 2. Hassan death is still is mystery( I still suspect her hand in it).3. Ruks is not just acting but overacting. 4. she killed zeenat( to silents her and also avenge for double crossing) 5. Being defensive( what is she is defending herself from)6. Started to blame Jodha from hassan's death itself(how is she sure that Jodha is negligent,if not she is the culprit to induce it) 7. she had 4 months to plan on how to make hussain waaris or simply how to eliminate jo and hassan. 8. despite her motif for taking hussain is MUZ audha ( Cv's made us believe), her first word was of revenge.( are we wrong in getting her motif which is actually separating JoJa coupling with audha obsession). 9. sooner or later she have to be exposed( i'm not saying punished) for the story to move.10. lastly, she is no longer grey but charcoal black.

Whatever it is "justice too long delayed is justice denied" Martin Luther King.

Feeling very much better after writing and hope all will stay cool. The storm have just started and a long way to go.


Purani,

What you say about Jalal's condition may be true. But first of all, it didn't happen like this, as far as I know. Secondly, it is wrong to show such an NR in a country like ours where men typically blame women for any and everything.
In my view, Jalal simply behaved like a typical man today. Is it any rule that a woman cannot wish to spend time with her husband after she becomes a mother, that her job is only to give a waris and take care of that waris?

Would Jalal have dared to behave like this with Ruq if Hussein had died in her custody? Just because it is Jodha, he is being so abusive.

I agree he is feeling guilty about that night and trying to justify to himself that he was not in any way responsible for Hussein's death. He is looking for a scapegoat and he found one in Jodha. All the anger he is projecting on the outside world is basically anger with himself. For somewhere having failed to protect his babies. The war - it is an outlet for him to divert his guilt-ridden mind and be able to live with himself.

The reason why he is not able to be normal with Jodha is because she is a reminder of that night . Looking at her, he remembers how he failed as a father. Which irritates him because he has always prided himself on being successful and he doesn't know how to handle failure.

What he doesn't realise is that anger cannot remove the guilt from his heart. Only accepting the guilt can remove it. And why should he feel guilty or make Jodha feel guilty? It is perfectly alright for a couple to find comfort with each other after a harrowing experience / shared grief. If not then, Hussein would have died some other time. Since he was destined to die.

Jalal may be a sensitive soul who suffered a lot of loss of dear ones and esp craved for a waris for many years. But Jodha is also a sensitive and a vulnerable woman. Like Maddy said, she was never treated so cheaply, as the CVs are showing. If she really had been so insulted, she would have killed herself. Or at least, never allowed Jalal to touch her again in his entire life.

Like I said after Tuesday's episode, we all suffer loss. It is how we heal from it that makes us nobler and better human beings. There are times when we cannot mourn for a dear one because we have other responsibilities. When I mentioned after Tuesday's episode that Jalal should have supported Jodha and shut up Ruq then and there, many people were of the opinion that he was just numb from shock and he would support Jodha later. But actually he had turned against Jodha at that very instant because Ruq's constant questioning of where Jodha was made him feel guilty himself and to be able to live with himself, he shifted the blame to Jodha.

Purani, do you see what's happening here? It's not only that he has unresolved mourning or undue attachment to Hussein. He is suffering from a guilt complex and doing what anyone would do - shift the blame to someone who wouldn't protest.

If I were in Jodha's place or to be frank, if it were the real Jodha, she would never go back to him or even deign to acknowledge him. Whatever his state of mind, however much he may suffer, he cannot torture to death another human being in this manner.
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Posted: 10 years ago
Wonderfulll post !! Poori history ka khatal kar diya hai cvs ne !! M just nt able to see jo cursing herself n ruku is just over-reacting...bt i dun knw y m eagerly waiting for joja to reunite i meah i just want to see him how he feels his guilt n how he repents over it n honestly speaking i want to see someone or jodha to just burst out the pain of jo ...comeon rukku have lost 1 kid bt jo 2 ek saath !! N it was rukku who hired zeenat so i want someone to say all this in DEk then itself i will feel ki jo ke saath insaaf hua !! N yaar when will they have a baby girl i mean i think joja had 1 daughter who alsohad died ! Just want rukku's bhanda phod ASAP n a bada wala !! N Amazing post bt ek salah hai meri tee liye tht is jaa jaake thanda paani pee offscreen dekh mast reh end mein to salim hi hone waala hai :p seedhi baat no bakwaas chilll re ...even mujhe bhi tym laga to come out of the sadma ofcurrnt track bt i do have a small hope tht cvs r going 2 show a bigg bigg twist...lets wait n watch !!

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