Jalal killed Jodha - Page 11

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Purani,

What you say about Jalal's condition may be true. But first of all, it didn't happen like this, as far as I know. Secondly, it is wrong to show such an NR in a country like ours where men typically blame women for any and everything.

In my view, Jalal simply behaved like a typical man today. Is it any rule that a woman cannot wish to spend time with her husband after she becomes a mother, that her job is only to give a waris and take care of that waris?

Would Jalal have dared to behave like this with Ruq if Hussein had died in her custody? Just because it is Jodha, he is being so abusive.

I agree he is feeling guilty about that night and trying to justify to himself that he was not in any way responsible for Hussein's death. He is looking for a scapegoat and he found one in Jodha. All the anger he is projecting on the outside world is basically anger with himself. For somewhere having failed to protect his babies. The war - it is an outlet for him to divert his guilt-ridden mind and be able to live with himself.

The reason why he is not able to be normal with Jodha is because she is a reminder of that night . Looking at her, he remembers how he failed as a father. Which irritates him because he has always prided himself on being successful and he doesn't know how to handle failure.

What he doesn't realise is that anger cannot remove the guilt from his heart. Only accepting the guilt can remove it. And why should he feel guilty or make Jodha feel guilty? It is perfectly alright for a couple to find comfort with each other after a harrowing experience / shared grief. If not then, Hussein would have died some other time. Since he was destined to die.

Jalal may be a sensitive soul who suffered a lot of loss of dear ones and esp craved for a waris for many years. But Jodha is also a sensitive and a vulnerable woman. Like Maddy said, she was never treated so cheaply, as the CVs are showing. If she really had been so insulted, she would have killed herself. Or at least, never allowed Jalal to touch her again in his entire life.

Like I said after Tuesday's episode, we all suffer loss. It is how we heal from it that makes us nobler and better human beings. There are times when we cannot mourn for a dear one because we have other responsibilities. When I mentioned after Tuesday's episode that Jalal should have supported Jodha and shut up Ruq then and there, many people were of the opinion that he was just numb from shock and he would support Jodha later. But actually he had turned against Jodha at that very instant because Ruq's constant questioning of where Jodha was made him feel guilty himself and to be able to live with himself, he shifted the blame to Jodha.

Purani, do you see what's happening here? It's not only that he has unresolved mourning or undue attachment to Hussein. He is suffering from a guilt complex and doing what anyone would do - shift the blame to someone who wouldn't protest.

If I were in Jodha's place or to be frank, if it were the real Jodha, she would never go back to him or even deign to acknowledge him. Whatever his state of mind, however much he may suffer, he cannot torture to death another human being in this manner.

Originally posted by: ..PT..

Jalals actions r questionable. His statement to jo as this crucial hour of guilt n mourning the death of twins is so uncalled for.

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If any other woman she wld have gone away or committed suicide to be thus accused by Ruks n now jal himself, whatever his motives maybe. In her broken down state she might have gone to some extreme measures.

Jo

Jo loves ja too much. I liked it how she didnot desert him, n run to Amer n hide to nurse her guilt n pain., and anguish.

Even during the last rites scene in yesterday's epi, when ja says he lost hopes on god n love, Jo herself crying n lost in her own guilt n misery still looks up at ja with concern and shock.

Though she is lost in her own pain n immersed in guilt, she still comes out of it to show concern form ja in the rain scene.

I liked how she was not completely broken, but still had the spunk n sense of right n wrong to go in front of ja n confront him n advise him against the war.

Jo s love is unconditional. She loves ja, the whole package (with his numerous wives, n etc, etc.., his very big ego, his extreme behaviors -be it love or hatred, there is depth in his emotions, feelings, love (unlike Ruks, who is also extreme but has no depth). Iam amazed at Jo and her resilience. Maybe it is this quality of her, her undying love, her unyielding sense of justice, her ability to confront n face adversity be it ja old n new, fate,- that endeared her to akbar so much n earns her the name vali nimat (I think, sorry if iam misspelling or incorrect), gift of god.

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Ja

He is lashing out at her becz of his pain n sorrow, inspite of him being a being the king n his Inability to protect his own kids for whom he has waited for so long, the testament of his love, now all gone becz of the same love, must be so disheartening. N Jo is easy target, for she is his most beloved, n he can be himself with her. By blaming her he is also blaming himself. For he identifies himself with her. That's why he is doing all this Jung to distance himself from her, from love, he is running away from his own feelings. She is his own guilt, his inability, his weakness, his love, staring at his own face. By punishing her with his cruel words, he is punishing himself.

When life / fate took away his father n made him almost homeless, he went n fought wars n conquered some parts of india. Now again fate has taken away his children cruelly, he is again repeating the pattern. But after the chit or war, he will realize how hollow his victory was, killing so many innocent people.

Jo shows maturity in her love, ja has to grow / mature some more.

Just my pov.

I didn't like ja blaming Jo, I hate, hate, hate Ruks blaming Jo.

I think of Ruks as a mosquito - unavoidable, annoying, can't be eradicated, cld be deadly, always buzzing n disturbing us at the least wanted, most enjoyable, deep slumber time or good times.

Thanks for reading.

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Lasya, wonderful quote - yes I think Jalal's guilt is crushing him - that his cousin murdered his kids and he was not able to protect them, that he did not safeguard them, that he was with Jodha when Hussain needed them - so he is taking out all his guilt and pain and dumping the blame on Jodha.

I felt absolutely shocked and horrified when Jalal dumped all blame on Jodha and even then she followed him and he rudely shut the curtains on her. Even if he had slapped her would not have felt this shocked.

What a cowardly thing to do, he half heartedly told her to go to Hussain and then seduced her with his words of mohabbat and sukoon and he turned everything so ugly today.

I cannot see how Jodha can ever let him touch her again without remembering how he turned it ugly and laid all blame on her.

Of course she would feel guilty and he would feel guilty but to use that to dump it on her was extremely brutal and cowardly at the same time.

Originally posted by: history_geek

@Maddy

I do not want your thread to be in trouble, but i am tempted to write on Ruqayya , as i read just now that there is NO proof of Akbar getting off with Ruqayya, as if some one has exhausted all written records of AKbar'a era and then claiming so... 😳 I am restraining myself..

And this is something i am reading for first time that Ruqayya was involved in making Salim the Emperor.. I do not understand WHY such a powerful and LOVABLE lady has not been mentioned even once in AKbar's bio...🤢

BTW, I am pissed of with this VVIP treatment given to Ruqs.,... She can shout at HB and SB also...😕
And not once Jalal said anything to her about Zeenat case..🤢

I wonder why is this show Jodha AKbar. THis should be > "The Adventures of Ruqayya Begum"..😳
The Creatives of this show are pure sadists..


@aanchal^^^^^^
u are ryt...but CV's can do anything...When they can show Jalal getting angry with Jodha..😕

Originally posted by: history_geek

@Pia,,

I sent u the link also a week back. Plz read there. :)

Originally posted by: pari_akdha

abhay i have seen ur post bt i cant find any imformation about salim and ruqaiya...there are a lots of posts so I m confused😕😭

Originally posted by: MaddyO

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hi Neetz - missed your long wonderful posts.

Whatever it was maybe a shield, he made her feel worse. How it that his love? Did he not tell her he cannot bear to see her in pain? Then was he lying them to her or to himself?

He could keep her in guilt for 3 years does not feel like love to me. If this was done in anger for few days different feeling.


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