Downfall of SD, Updt on BB Pg 9, Abhay Updt Pg 18-DT NT Pg21&31 - Page 15

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Piya - fantastic post 👏 Lines in bold BANG ON!

It is just boggling that PS gets blamed for everything but never given credit!!!
What is PS or RT fault if the dialogues make them ask aap yaha? Certainly the do not write the dialogues!

Paridhi was absolutely wonderful in Friday's episode. It had love, tenderness, affection, passion, connection and intimacy. Nobody could have counted the inches between them! 😉😆
So no praise but discussion were about how Jalal was again weak!

I ADORE Paridhi as Jodha and watch JA for HER. For me it is always JodhaAkbar NEVER Akbar the great.

TRPs are proof enough. Week before last they rose cos viewers finally got that horrible Atifa track closure where it was clear the Jalal ONLY loves Jodha.

Last week was fabulous episodes full historical background and Jalal centric only. I expected the TRPs to jump from week before! They did NOT! This shows viewers want to watch EPIC LOVE STORY of JodhaAkbar the HUMAN story that was promised to us.

If anybody expects to watch something else then I guess Ekta is not answerable cos day 1 SHE MADE IT CLEAR WHAT SHE IS MAKING - EPIC LOVE STORY HUMAN SIDE of JodhaAkbar.

Originally posted by: history_geek

Hi All,

My Short Take on JJ in particular, and BB also LATER, in my second comment.!.

I have not read anything else other than this thread, and it seems i did the right after reading the chain of comments...😉

B'coz , I did not find ANY Bhaashans...Instead i was quite satisfied to see the "calculated" approach, which the CV's Followed...Jodha was JUST RIGHT and did not cross any Line...Jalal was behaving like an Emperor and a HURT Brother...

Also, i would say that the NORMAL Audience, do not worry about "Frame" aspect. I, for one, did not notice that, there was anything like that(if it was). I found the Episode, nice enough. 😊

As i have been writing since my 15th August Post ,🥱 and written in all my Historical Posts also, that the Show needs to show Jodha as Jalal's Emotional Strength.. Finally, we are getting this. 😃

Afterall, now the CV's are showing it in a Balanced Way , as i said before on Page-1 of this thread , that >> It contains an EQUAL PARTNERSHIP of the Wise thinking of an Empire expanding Emperor ABLY supported with a maturely thinking Empress.!.

An aisa to hai nahi ki CV's will show Jodha ruling the Empire.. They are assigning the Work of an Emperor to Akbar and that of an Empress(MUZ in making) to Jodha...This, in my thinking is their method of showing Jodha-Akbar centric TRACKS..


For NO Matter What, How Strong You are , How ResourceFul You Are, You can NOT manage ALL thingS Single Handedly . This is what we all WANTED , a show where BOTH J-J play on an "Equal Footing(US States Doctrine😉)". < Hope i made this clear.😉 It means , that NO Authority will exceed it's jurisdiction. Similarly, Jalal and Jodha are have their "spheres of influence(credit for this term-Chinese Imperialism)😉".

The CV's are trying to Weave the Tracks to Show Jalal on an Empire expanding spree, while the Royal Ladies handling the other core issues of the Harem, and TOGETHER J-J handling these Scoial Issues. I think that after this track of BB, Jalal can announce some reform for a Girl Child(like share in property.?).


Who says an Emperor does not needs an Emotional support.. Even the HARDCORE IMPERIALIST and expansionist Napoleon wrote this in a letter he sent to his brother, here he talks about Josephine(his wife), and PLEADED her to join him on his Italian Campaign, a he was feeling very Lonely..!.>>>

"I must see her and press her to my heart. I love her to the point of madness, and I cannot continue to be separated from her. If she no longer loved me, I would have nothing left to do on earth."

^^^^Before reading this i had a VERY different opinion about him, but this letter made me search more on his personal life...It's interesting..😉..Anyways, coming back to our SHOW now...😃

I have noticed that the Personal Life of any Emperor/King/Monarch, has many shades, and is actually very interesting...I can read about the Wars and Reforms and many things from the biographies, but his personal Life study demands digging something after going a step forward...That is entirely a different process...

There is NOTHING called Ruling ALONE...An Emperor rules with the help of many agencies..Some suport him actively, and some support him passively...I was Glad to see Man Singh and TodarMal on Thurday, And, i am hoping for Jodha's elevation as an Empress..Already, Monday's Precap shows, Jalal saying that - She deserves to be MUZ..!..

No doubt we all want a Good and Strongly Commanding Akbar.. But, the Show can NOT run only by one thing, that is to focus and make tracks Akbar oriented. Atleast, till now, NO TRACK is Akbar oriented, as they show Jodha on Equal footing on an Emotional Wavelength.

I think CV's are trying to show us NEITHER Akbar oreinted tracks, nor Jodha Oriented tracks, BUT Jodha-Akbar oriented tracks.. And, that is why the CV's have brought Sharif's track in 2 ways ---->>

1. They will show some reform on the Girl Child. { Courtesy - Partnership of Jodha/Salima, etc.}
2. And, then they will show Sharif's Revolt { And, Jalal will fight him, then..}

^^To ho gaya na, Jodha-Akbar Oriented.😉


I don't know about anyone, but i signed in for Jodha-Akbar, not for Akbar ONLY or Jodha ONLY... 😃 And, as far as my marketing knowledge tells me, before launching(or even starting) a serial, many standard processes are followed by the Channel/PH, viz. Sensitivity Analysis, etc. techiques, to check will it be profitable and business friendly to launch so and so soap... Ekta, being a clever business woman knows what she is DOING.




Coming to BB's Case::


I will NOT give my judgement, as i have already read many contrasting views here and all arguments are nice enough. 👍🏼 Many of us have mentioned BB's case to be that of a domestic abuse/violence...I have only one thing, that BB's Condition still resembles the dark reality of our society which we call MODERN..

I want to mention a "real case", of which i know the details..The incident is from Delhi, which we call a Metropolitan. The Case of this higher middle class educated girl is similar to BB. She delivered a boy and then a girl. But her husband was keen on having a boy ONLY(despite having a son already). She was a victim of worst form of domestic abuse, and finally went into "abode of God after enormous sufferings". The Case is still pending in the Delhi HC. An startling observation in this case was that, the girl even on her death bed, did NOT want her parents to pursue the case against her husband, for she said she LOVED him.!!!!.😕.!!!!.. *Full Stop*

What i want to emphasize in this case is that, this track of BB brought back those memories alive, that still we have such cases,...And, even after a lot of assessment of that case, i could not understand the case completely...In BB's case, i want her to be a bit strong..As there are times, when one needs to hit back and fight. You need not be a victim always. Especially, in case of BB when you have a Strong Brother who Loves you to an extent that he can bring heavens on Earth for you...

My Stand is that >> " Our opinions are based on the experiences, we have in our lives. Many of may have high degree of patience to some acts, but some of us may not have the same degree of resilience to the same act. A strong reason can be that, some of us MIGHT have experienced those "acts" in reality, hence we do NOT approve of it.. I for one, strongly condemn this act, for i have seen such victims. And, the very portrayal of that SAME act on the Screen brings back those sad memories alive..."

I have one request from the CV's that, since they are showing this track in today's time --

1. Already, they have given a strong message in form of showing that Girl Child is not a Burden..
2. Jalal did punish Sharif (though, i don't want to discuss the method of punishment.)
3. One thing, i would like them to show is that, BB should realize that Sharif does not deserves her Devotion.!!.There is no need to suffer so much...I do not understand what Kind of Devotion it is when Sharif openly stares Jodha infront of BB.!!!..

@ALL...
I may not be able to join regularly, but i keep reading these discussions and your takes...
Carry on...!!!..😊

Originally posted by: history_geek

Hi All,

My Short Take on JJ in particular, and BB also LATER, in my second comment.!.

I have not read anything else other than this thread, and it seems i did the right after reading the chain of comments...😉

B'coz , I did not find ANY Bhaashans...Instead i was quite satisfied to see the "calculated" approach, which the CV's Followed...Jodha was JUST RIGHT and did not cross any Line...Jalal was behaving like an Emperor and a HURT Brother...

Also, i would say that the NORMAL Audience, do not worry about "Frame" aspect. I, for one, did not notice that, there was anything like that(if it was). I found the Episode, nice enough. 😊

As i have been writing since my 15th August Post ,🥱 and written in all my Historical Posts also, that the Show needs to show Jodha as Jalal's Emotional Strength.. Finally, we are getting this. 😃

Afterall, now the CV's are showing it in a Balanced Way , as i said before on Page-1 of this thread , that >> It contains an EQUAL PARTNERSHIP of the Wise thinking of an Empire expanding Emperor ABLY supported with a maturely thinking Empress.!.

An aisa to hai nahi ki CV's will show Jodha ruling the Empire.. They are assigning the Work of an Emperor to Akbar and that of an Empress(MUZ in making) to Jodha...This, in my thinking is their method of showing Jodha-Akbar centric TRACKS..


For NO Matter What, How Strong You are , How ResourceFul You Are, You can NOT manage ALL thingS Single Handedly . This is what we all WANTED , a show where BOTH J-J play on an "Equal Footing(US States Doctrine😉)". < Hope i made this clear.😉 It means , that NO Authority will exceed it's jurisdiction. Similarly, Jalal and Jodha are have their "spheres of influence(credit for this term-Chinese Imperialism)😉".

The CV's are trying to Weave the Tracks to Show Jalal on an Empire expanding spree, while the Royal Ladies handling the other core issues of the Harem, and TOGETHER J-J handling these Scoial Issues. I think that after this track of BB, Jalal can announce some reform for a Girl Child(like share in property.?).


Who says an Emperor does not needs an Emotional support.. Even the HARDCORE IMPERIALIST and expansionist Napoleon wrote this in a letter he sent to his brother, here he talks about Josephine(his wife), and PLEADED her to join him on his Italian Campaign, a he was feeling very Lonely..!.>>>

"I must see her and press her to my heart. I love her to the point of madness, and I cannot continue to be separated from her. If she no longer loved me, I would have nothing left to do on earth."

^^^^Before reading this i had a VERY different opinion about him, but this letter made me search more on his personal life...It's interesting..😉..Anyways, coming back to our SHOW now...😃

I have noticed that the Personal Life of any Emperor/King/Monarch, has many shades, and is actually very interesting...I can read about the Wars and Reforms and many things from the biographies, but his personal Life study demands digging something after going a step forward...That is entirely a different process...

There is NOTHING called Ruling ALONE...An Emperor rules with the help of many agencies..Some suport him actively, and some support him passively...I was Glad to see Man Singh and TodarMal on Thurday, And, i am hoping for Jodha's elevation as an Empress..Already, Monday's Precap shows, Jalal saying that - She deserves to be MUZ..!..

No doubt we all want a Good and Strongly Commanding Akbar.. But, the Show can NOT run only by one thing, that is to focus and make tracks Akbar oriented. Atleast, till now, NO TRACK is Akbar oriented, as they show Jodha on Equal footing on an Emotional Wavelength.

I think CV's are trying to show us NEITHER Akbar oreinted tracks, nor Jodha Oriented tracks, BUT Jodha-Akbar oriented tracks.. And, that is why the CV's have brought Sharif's track in 2 ways ---->>

1. They will show some reform on the Girl Child. { Courtesy - Partnership of Jodha/Salima, etc.}
2. And, then they will show Sharif's Revolt { And, Jalal will fight him, then..}

^^To ho gaya na, Jodha-Akbar Oriented.😉


I don't know about anyone, but i signed in for Jodha-Akbar, not for Akbar ONLY or Jodha ONLY... 😃 And, as far as my marketing knowledge tells me, before launching(or even starting) a serial, many standard processes are followed by the Channel/PH, viz. Sensitivity Analysis, etc. techiques, to check will it be profitable and business friendly to launch so and so soap... Ekta, being a clever business woman knows what she is DOING.




Coming to BB's Case::


I will NOT give my judgement, as i have already read many contrasting views here and all arguments are nice enough. 👍🏼 Many of us have mentioned BB's case to be that of a domestic abuse/violence...I have only one thing, that BB's Condition still resembles the dark reality of our society which we call MODERN..

I want to mention a "real case", of which i know the details..The incident is from Delhi, which we call a Metropolitan. The Case of this higher middle class educated girl is similar to BB. She delivered a boy and then a girl. But her husband was keen on having a boy ONLY(despite having a son already). She was a victim of worst form of domestic abuse, and finally went into "abode of God after enormous sufferings". The Case is still pending in the Delhi HC. An startling observation in this case was that, the girl even on her death bed, did NOT want her parents to pursue the case against her husband, for she said she LOVED him.!!!!.😕.!!!!.. *Full Stop*

What i want to emphasize in this case is that, this track of BB brought back those memories alive, that still we have such cases,...And, even after a lot of assessment of that case, i could not understand the case completely...In BB's case, i want her to be a bit strong..As there are times, when one needs to hit back and fight. You need not be a victim always. Especially, in case of BB when you have a Strong Brother who Loves you to an extent that he can bring heavens on Earth for you...

My Stand is that >> " Our opinions are based on the experiences, we have in our lives. Many of may have high degree of patience to some acts, but some of us may not have the same degree of resilience to the same act. A strong reason can be that, some of us MIGHT have experienced those "acts" in reality, hence we do NOT approve of it.. I for one, strongly condemn this act, for i have seen such victims. And, the very portrayal of that SAME act on the Screen brings back those sad memories alive..."

I have one request from the CV's that, since they are showing this track in today's time --

1. Already, they have given a strong message in form of showing that Girl Child is not a Burden..
2. Jalal did punish Sharif (though, i don't want to discuss the method of punishment.)
3. One thing, i would like them to show is that, BB should realize that Sharif does not deserves her Devotion.!!.There is no need to suffer so much...I do not understand what Kind of Devotion it is when Sharif openly stares Jodha infront of BB.!!!..

@ALL...
I may not be able to join regularly, but i keep reading these discussions and your takes...
Carry on...!!!..😊

Originally posted by: 111192

Why to blame shariffudin for his gender bias when it is so evident in today's world and more so on this forum full of highly educated people ...every day posts are made to applaud everything done by male lead and to criticize each and every action of female lead...and the story repeats in almost every forum...what a pity

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Bakshi Bano

Some of the members have wondered why Bakshi is weak when her background is royal and she is pampered to such an extent by everyone.

I think personality is something that has nothing to do with background. It is something one is born with mostly, and something one develops due to life's experiences.

I am not surprised to see that Bakshi is insecure and totally lacking in confidence. And she is not able to handle / face emotional experiences / loss with equanimity. Who else do we know who has similar emotional issues? Why, her brother, of course.

Who else do we know who is unable to open up easily to anyone, even his mother? Her brother.

I observed in case of Jalal and I am observing in the case of Bakshi that Hamida is very righteous with them. She has very high standards and expects them to live up to those standards of moral conduct. This is good in its own way.

But a mother has to be there to break the fall when a child is not able to meet her standards and sometimes takes a wrong step.

When Jodha left Agra in the separation track, Hamida was indignant with Jalal and took away Jodha's portrait from him. She was loyal to Jodha but let down her son who needed her counsel and guidance then.

When Bakshi was exposed in the Jodha FP case, again Hamida slapped her and cut off ties with her. I can understand an initial wave of anger. But tempers cool and then the mother must take responsibility for what happened. She must ensure that the prodigal son / daughter returns to the right track.

When Bakshi was having labour pains, JJ came to visit her. I was shocked that no one else - Hamida, Salima, Ruq - came to see her or spend time with her.

Someone had remarked that Bakshi seems to live in a hotel. It may partially be her fault. But partially it is also the fault of her family. The Hamida - Gul Badan - Jijianga gang. They mouth platitudes to everyone in the younger generation - Jo, Ruq, Bakshi, Salima etc. But when these younger women have some personal problems, the matrons are nowhere to be seen.

Likewise, agreed that Bakshi did a major mistake in hiding the gender of the child. Jodha did try to assure her that they hadn't come to taunt her but understand why she had lied. But I didn't sense any empathy in the voices or looks of the other ladies. One of them should have hugged Bakshi close and assured her first of being there for her under all circumstances and of trusting her enough to know that she must have had a strong reason to lie.

When SD came in and started talking insultingly with Hamida too, none of the ladies objected. They, in a very typical manner, sided with SD and objected to Bakshi lying to him. Had they not sensed anything amiss in the SD-BB marriage in all this while? Shouldn't they have had more faith in a girl from their family? Shouldn't they have created an environment in which the girl could approach them with her problems?

I fel t slightly disappointed with the reaction of the royal women - it was to be expected, of course. But like Jodha asked, why are wrong reactions acceptable to us so much that they appear right / normal to us?

Originally posted by: 111192

Why to blame shariffudin for his gender bias when it is so evident in today's world and more so on this forum full of highly educated people ...every day posts are made to applaud everything done by male lead and to criticize each and every action of female lead...and the story repeats in almost every forum...what a pity