Downfall of SD, Updt on BB Pg 9, Abhay Updt Pg 18-DT NT Pg21&31 - Page 14

Originally posted by: JAfanCharu

Ok , for those who want to see romance , what exactly do they have in mind ?. I am quite happy with the romantic quotient between Jodha / Jalal . I agree more scenes with husband / wife bonding can be shown . However what has the Creatives decision of not including romantic scenes between the lead pair got to do with Paridhi ? If she is refusing to do extra intimate scenes , then I support her .There is a certain limit and protocol that she is following . What is wrong with that ? Even A listers in Bollywood have restrictions with doing intimate scenes . This a serial on tv being watched by family audiences . For those who are watching Jodha Akbar hoping to see intense passionate romance with lip locks et all , you need to choose another show to watch . A historical needs to maintain its dignity . Also if Pari was really fussy and picky as the media claims , a hard taskmaster like Ekta Kapoor would have shown her the door long time back .

Regarding the dialogues given to the actors , it is done as per the story line by the script writer . Pari speaks her dialogues after memorizing them as per the scenes' demand . How is it her fault ? If a particular scene has a dialogue that is a "bhashan " , its bad enough she has to learn it by heart and then say it with proper expressions and now the icing on the cake is , she is being criticized for it . She does not ask for the bhashans , the script writer gives them to her . Criticize the script writer . Both Rajat and Pari do not need to show passionate romance . Them merely being together and looking at each other does the magic . They have immense screen presence and electrifying chemistry .Their good looks and magnetic personality does everything for them .

Originally posted by: chitterati

Exactly, there're ai a difference between good romance and lousy intimate scenes... There were days in JA when well directed handholds, with by music and solid storyline were romantic enough, but now Jo JA screen time together is only about problems and solutions, no light weight stuff,I mean this is newly in love couple, who are barely in 20s and have seen enough problems in their life...why can't we see them enjoying g simple pleasures of life like having a meal together, enjoying music, walk in the park!!!!

Originally posted by: chitterati

Btw,when Jalal told sharif -" Jhoot bola toh bhi kya ,tum uske upar haath uthaoge " - I was like really Jalal , Jo is somebody's sister too you know, how conveniently men forget their own behaviour

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Hi

There is a time and place for everything. Right now, life is full of problems for JJ and they are weeding out the rotten stuff. This phase is of discovering who are loyal to them and who disloyal, who need protection and who need punishment. This is a phase of discovering how they can become each other's strength and support each other in doing the right thing at the right time by the right people.

This is not the time for romance in the traditional sense. It is a time to show their love through action and not words. Action here means daily acts of reiteration of mutual faith and love. 😊 Romance is not just walking hand in hand. Romance is also showing your husband / wife the mirror to reality and helping them take the right decision.

I see romance in every gesture / word / expression exchanged between JJ these days. To me, such a deep connection between them is much more precious than any candy floss Karan Johar kind of romance. 😊

Sorry for disagreeing with your views here.

Originally posted by: history_geek

Hi All,

My Short Take on JJ in particular, and BB also LATER, in my second comment.!.

I have not read anything else other than this thread, and it seems i did the right after reading the chain of comments...😉

B'coz , I did not find ANY Bhaashans...Instead i was quite satisfied to see the "calculated" approach, which the CV's Followed...Jodha was JUST RIGHT and did not cross any Line...Jalal was behaving like an Emperor and a HURT Brother...

Also, i would say that the NORMAL Audience, do not worry about "Frame" aspect. I, for one, did not notice that, there was anything like that(if it was). I found the Episode, nice enough. 😊

As i have been writing since my 15th August Post ,🥱 and written in all my Historical Posts also, that the Show needs to show Jodha as Jalal's Emotional Strength.. Finally, we are getting this. 😃

Afterall, now the CV's are showing it in a Balanced Way , as i said before on Page-1 of this thread , that >> It contains an EQUAL PARTNERSHIP of the Wise thinking of an Empire expanding Emperor ABLY supported with a maturely thinking Empress.!.

An aisa to hai nahi ki CV's will show Jodha ruling the Empire.. They are assigning the Work of an Emperor to Akbar and that of an Empress(MUZ in making) to Jodha...This, in my thinking is their method of showing Jodha-Akbar centric TRACKS..


For NO Matter What, How Strong You are , How ResourceFul You Are, You can NOT manage ALL thingS Single Handedly . This is what we all WANTED , a show where BOTH J-J play on an "Equal Footing(US States Doctrine😉)". < Hope i made this clear.😉 It means , that NO Authority will exceed it's jurisdiction. Similarly, Jalal and Jodha are have their "spheres of influence(credit for this term-Chinese Imperialism)😉".

The CV's are trying to Weave the Tracks to Show Jalal on an Empire expanding spree, while the Royal Ladies handling the other core issues of the Harem, and TOGETHER J-J handling these Scoial Issues. I think that after this track of BB, Jalal can announce some reform for a Girl Child(like share in property.?).


Who says an Emperor does not needs an Emotional support.. Even the HARDCORE IMPERIALIST and expansionist Napoleon wrote this in a letter he sent to his brother, here he talks about Josephine(his wife), and PLEADED her to join him on his Italian Campaign, a he was feeling very Lonely..!.>>>

"I must see her and press her to my heart. I love her to the point of madness, and I cannot continue to be separated from her. If she no longer loved me, I would have nothing left to do on earth."

^^^^Before reading this i had a VERY different opinion about him, but this letter made me search more on his personal life...It's interesting..😉..Anyways, coming back to our SHOW now...😃

I have noticed that the Personal Life of any Emperor/King/Monarch, has many shades, and is actually very interesting...I can read about the Wars and Reforms and many things from the biographies, but his personal Life study demands digging something after going a step forward...That is entirely a different process...

There is NOTHING called Ruling ALONE...An Emperor rules with the help of many agencies..Some suport him actively, and some support him passively...I was Glad to see Man Singh and TodarMal on Thurday, And, i am hoping for Jodha's elevation as an Empress..Already, Monday's Precap shows, Jalal saying that - She deserves to be MUZ..!..

No doubt we all want a Good and Strongly Commanding Akbar.. But, the Show can NOT run only by one thing, that is to focus and make tracks Akbar oriented. Atleast, till now, NO TRACK is Akbar oriented, as they show Jodha on Equal footing on an Emotional Wavelength.

I think CV's are trying to show us NEITHER Akbar oreinted tracks, nor Jodha Oriented tracks, BUT Jodha-Akbar oriented tracks.. And, that is why the CV's have brought Sharif's track in 2 ways ---->>

1. They will show some reform on the Girl Child. { Courtesy - Partnership of Jodha/Salima, etc.}
2. And, then they will show Sharif's Revolt { And, Jalal will fight him, then..}

^^To ho gaya na, Jodha-Akbar Oriented.😉


I don't know about anyone, but i signed in for Jodha-Akbar, not for Akbar ONLY or Jodha ONLY... 😃 And, as far as my marketing knowledge tells me, before launching(or even starting) a serial, many standard processes are followed by the Channel/PH, viz. Sensitivity Analysis, etc. techiques, to check will it be profitable and business friendly to launch so and so soap... Ekta, being a clever business woman knows what she is DOING.




Coming to BB's Case::


I will NOT give my judgement, as i have already read many contrasting views here and all arguments are nice enough. 👍🏼 Many of us have mentioned BB's case to be that of a domestic abuse/violence...I have only one thing, that BB's Condition still resembles the dark reality of our society which we call MODERN..

I want to mention a "real case", of which i know the details..The incident is from Delhi, which we call a Metropolitan. The Case of this higher middle class educated girl is similar to BB. She delivered a boy and then a girl. But her husband was keen on having a boy ONLY(despite having a son already). She was a victim of worst form of domestic abuse, and finally went into "abode of God after enormous sufferings". The Case is still pending in the Delhi HC. An startling observation in this case was that, the girl even on her death bed, did NOT want her parents to pursue the case against her husband, for she said she LOVED him.!!!!.😕.!!!!.. *Full Stop*

What i want to emphasize in this case is that, this track of BB brought back those memories alive, that still we have such cases,...And, even after a lot of assessment of that case, i could not understand the case completely...In BB's case, i want her to be a bit strong..As there are times, when one needs to hit back and fight. You need not be a victim always. Especially, in case of BB when you have a Strong Brother who Loves you to an extent that he can bring heavens on Earth for you...

My Stand is that >> " Our opinions are based on the experiences, we have in our lives. Many of may have high degree of patience to some acts, but some of us may not have the same degree of resilience to the same act. A strong reason can be that, some of us MIGHT have experienced those "acts" in reality, hence we do NOT approve of it.. I for one, strongly condemn this act, for i have seen such victims. And, the very portrayal of that SAME act on the Screen brings back those sad memories alive..."

I have one request from the CV's that, since they are showing this track in today's time --

1. Already, they have given a strong message in form of showing that Girl Child is not a Burden..
2. Jalal did punish Sharif (though, i don't want to discuss the method of punishment.)
3. One thing, i would like them to show is that, BB should realize that Sharif does not deserves her Devotion.!!.There is no need to suffer so much...I do not understand what Kind of Devotion it is when Sharif openly stares Jodha infront of BB.!!!..

@ALL...
I may not be able to join regularly, but i keep reading these discussions and your takes...
Carry on...!!!..😊

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Agree. 👏 But Jalal followed that statement with the words that SD had forced her to lie. Which is true. Every situation is different and reactions will be different. Here Jalal is right - SD had forced her to lie and therefore, he can't blame he for lying.

Also, see the intent. Jalal is declaring that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES, can a husband raise his hand on a wife. I LOVED JALAL yesterday. 👏👏👏

Originally posted by: history_geek

Hi All,

My Short Take on JJ in particular, and BB also LATER, in my second comment.!.

I have not read anything else other than this thread, and it seems i did the right after reading the chain of comments...😉

B'coz , I did not find ANY Bhaashans...Instead i was quite satisfied to see the "calculated" approach, which the CV's Followed...Jodha was JUST RIGHT and did not cross any Line...Jalal was behaving like an Emperor and a HURT Brother...

Also, i would say that the NORMAL Audience, do not worry about "Frame" aspect. I, for one, did not notice that, there was anything like that(if it was). I found the Episode, nice enough. 😊

As i have been writing since my 15th August Post ,🥱 and written in all my Historical Posts also, that the Show needs to show Jodha as Jalal's Emotional Strength.. Finally, we are getting this. 😃

Afterall, now the CV's are showing it in a Balanced Way , as i said before on Page-1 of this thread , that >> It contains an EQUAL PARTNERSHIP of the Wise thinking of an Empire expanding Emperor ABLY supported with a maturely thinking Empress.!.

An aisa to hai nahi ki CV's will show Jodha ruling the Empire.. They are assigning the Work of an Emperor to Akbar and that of an Empress(MUZ in making) to Jodha...This, in my thinking is their method of showing Jodha-Akbar centric TRACKS..


For NO Matter What, How Strong You are , How ResourceFul You Are, You can NOT manage ALL thingS Single Handedly . This is what we all WANTED , a show where BOTH J-J play on an "Equal Footing(US States Doctrine😉)". < Hope i made this clear.😉 It means , that NO Authority will exceed it's jurisdiction. Similarly, Jalal and Jodha are have their "spheres of influence(credit for this term-Chinese Imperialism)😉".

The CV's are trying to Weave the Tracks to Show Jalal on an Empire expanding spree, while the Royal Ladies handling the other core issues of the Harem, and TOGETHER J-J handling these Scoial Issues. I think that after this track of BB, Jalal can announce some reform for a Girl Child(like share in property.?).


Who says an Emperor does not needs an Emotional support.. Even the HARDCORE IMPERIALIST and expansionist Napoleon wrote this in a letter he sent to his brother, here he talks about Josephine(his wife), and PLEADED her to join him on his Italian Campaign, a he was feeling very Lonely..!.>>>

"I must see her and press her to my heart. I love her to the point of madness, and I cannot continue to be separated from her. If she no longer loved me, I would have nothing left to do on earth."

^^^^Before reading this i had a VERY different opinion about him, but this letter made me search more on his personal life...It's interesting..😉..Anyways, coming back to our SHOW now...😃

I have noticed that the Personal Life of any Emperor/King/Monarch, has many shades, and is actually very interesting...I can read about the Wars and Reforms and many things from the biographies, but his personal Life study demands digging something after going a step forward...That is entirely a different process...

There is NOTHING called Ruling ALONE...An Emperor rules with the help of many agencies..Some suport him actively, and some support him passively...I was Glad to see Man Singh and TodarMal on Thurday, And, i am hoping for Jodha's elevation as an Empress..Already, Monday's Precap shows, Jalal saying that - She deserves to be MUZ..!..

No doubt we all want a Good and Strongly Commanding Akbar.. But, the Show can NOT run only by one thing, that is to focus and make tracks Akbar oriented. Atleast, till now, NO TRACK is Akbar oriented, as they show Jodha on Equal footing on an Emotional Wavelength.

I think CV's are trying to show us NEITHER Akbar oreinted tracks, nor Jodha Oriented tracks, BUT Jodha-Akbar oriented tracks.. And, that is why the CV's have brought Sharif's track in 2 ways ---->>

1. They will show some reform on the Girl Child. { Courtesy - Partnership of Jodha/Salima, etc.}
2. And, then they will show Sharif's Revolt { And, Jalal will fight him, then..}

^^To ho gaya na, Jodha-Akbar Oriented.😉


I don't know about anyone, but i signed in for Jodha-Akbar, not for Akbar ONLY or Jodha ONLY... 😃 And, as far as my marketing knowledge tells me, before launching(or even starting) a serial, many standard processes are followed by the Channel/PH, viz. Sensitivity Analysis, etc. techiques, to check will it be profitable and business friendly to launch so and so soap... Ekta, being a clever business woman knows what she is DOING.




Coming to BB's Case::


I will NOT give my judgement, as i have already read many contrasting views here and all arguments are nice enough. 👍🏼 Many of us have mentioned BB's case to be that of a domestic abuse/violence...I have only one thing, that BB's Condition still resembles the dark reality of our society which we call MODERN..

I want to mention a "real case", of which i know the details..The incident is from Delhi, which we call a Metropolitan. The Case of this higher middle class educated girl is similar to BB. She delivered a boy and then a girl. But her husband was keen on having a boy ONLY(despite having a son already). She was a victim of worst form of domestic abuse, and finally went into "abode of God after enormous sufferings". The Case is still pending in the Delhi HC. An startling observation in this case was that, the girl even on her death bed, did NOT want her parents to pursue the case against her husband, for she said she LOVED him.!!!!.😕.!!!!.. *Full Stop*

What i want to emphasize in this case is that, this track of BB brought back those memories alive, that still we have such cases,...And, even after a lot of assessment of that case, i could not understand the case completely...In BB's case, i want her to be a bit strong..As there are times, when one needs to hit back and fight. You need not be a victim always. Especially, in case of BB when you have a Strong Brother who Loves you to an extent that he can bring heavens on Earth for you...

My Stand is that >> " Our opinions are based on the experiences, we have in our lives. Many of may have high degree of patience to some acts, but some of us may not have the same degree of resilience to the same act. A strong reason can be that, some of us MIGHT have experienced those "acts" in reality, hence we do NOT approve of it.. I for one, strongly condemn this act, for i have seen such victims. And, the very portrayal of that SAME act on the Screen brings back those sad memories alive..."

I have one request from the CV's that, since they are showing this track in today's time --

1. Already, they have given a strong message in form of showing that Girl Child is not a Burden..
2. Jalal did punish Sharif (though, i don't want to discuss the method of punishment.)
3. One thing, i would like them to show is that, BB should realize that Sharif does not deserves her Devotion.!!.There is no need to suffer so much...I do not understand what Kind of Devotion it is when Sharif openly stares Jodha infront of BB.!!!..

@ALL...
I may not be able to join regularly, but i keep reading these discussions and your takes...
Carry on...!!!..😊

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon

U have said it all and I agree with you..

Originally posted by: impiya

😃

Wonderful post. 👏

This desire for more and more intimate scenes (not exactly romantic scenes) seem quite amusing to me. I was active in another mythological show forum where I used to see people complaining about the same thing very often in good humor. Their favorite couple in the show were never shown touching each other- 😆. There were some humorous posts about how the lead couple in the show have the two feet rule between themselves. Husband and wife are not allowed to have apavitra rishta in the show etc etc. Infact their babies were termed as mystery babies as they suddenly came in the picture out of nowhere. 😃😃 But the interesting thing is- the lead actress were never accused for that. Their grievances were mostly directed to the makers of the show. May be the reason is that the actress is unmarried and wears modern clothes in real life and freely hang around with her guy friends , so I think no one believes that she can have some reservation in enacting such scenes. Whereas in our show we have the main female lead who is married and love to pose with her husband in front of camera and talk about him fondly in her interviews.. So we all think that it must be her who is responsible. If she had that much touch me not attitude, why the hell Ekta and her team are putting up with her? I, for one have no problem with the way physical intimacy is shown in the serial. My problem is that most of the time the scenes are repetitive, specially dialogues. But Rajat and Paridhi can't do anything about it. Infact if u remember the infamous Jalal- Atifa scenes, the dialogues were repetitive there too. Jalal was almost repeating everything he did with Jodha, with Atifa. Same type of scenes, same kind of dialogues. Everything was same except ofcourse the chemistry that Akdha shares,which was completely missing there. It just proves the lack of new ideas in writers.. Nothing else. Is it so difficult to understand?

I think Paridhi should also start dressing up in revealing clothes and hanging around with men to convince people that she is ok with enacting normal romantic scenes , which we get to see on TV in prime time shows.😃 Phew!!!!

Same goes with the dialogues. The serial has more negatives than positives to its credit. The only good thing about JA is its actors, specially the lead pair. The show is still running successfully just because people love RT and Parichi as Akbar and Jodha. Period!!! Just remove any one of them and see what left in the show.. there will be nothing. RT and Paridhi may not be exceptional actors, yes I think they both have some drawbacks where they need to work on. I do agree with people who say RT acts better than PS. But PS is Jodha and RT is akbar for most of us. If tomorrow any of them gets replaced there will be a huge dip in TRPs , the recovery from which looks like almost impossible considering the standard of writing and other technical aspects of the show at the moment. May be if someone replacing RT/PS are exceptionally talented and make audience love him/her equally, then it's possible. But then this is true for both the actors na . not only for Paridhi.

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Piya - fantastic post 👏 Lines in bold BANG ON!

It is just boggling that PS gets blamed for everything but never given credit!!!
What is PS or RT fault if the dialogues make them ask aap yaha? Certainly the do not write the dialogues!

Paridhi was absolutely wonderful in Friday's episode. It had love, tenderness, affection, passion, connection and intimacy. Nobody could have counted the inches between them! 😉😆
So no praise but discussion were about how Jalal was again weak!

I ADORE Paridhi as Jodha and watch JA for HER. For me it is always JodhaAkbar NEVER Akbar the great.

TRPs are proof enough. Week before last they rose cos viewers finally got that horrible Atifa track closure where it was clear the Jalal ONLY loves Jodha.

Last week was fabulous episodes full historical background and Jalal centric only. I expected the TRPs to jump from week before! They did NOT! This shows viewers want to watch EPIC LOVE STORY of JodhaAkbar the HUMAN story that was promised to us.

If anybody expects to watch something else then I guess Ekta is not answerable cos day 1 SHE MADE IT CLEAR WHAT SHE IS MAKING - EPIC LOVE STORY HUMAN SIDE of JodhaAkbar.