A turning point .... In continuation

divi, i can tell its written from the heart..! i fully understand you but the writers write instead of going from head to toe they are pulling the ear then arms then cheeks and then back to the hands..zero consistency..it seems ek pakarta hai doosra chorta hai..! and that is how daily soaps work..cvz wanted to show jalal's weak emotions to the extend where jodha was going to enter and we were going to have this beautiful scene..had the cvz shown an emotionally strong jalal we would not have seen a supporting jodha..in order to have one beautiful scene we had to accept the other ugly scene..but what shined through it is good acting and great depth of emotions...jalal is not running away from anything i think we are taking all this too seriously..he is drunk and his emotions are exaggerated, he is openly showing his raw feelings to jodha his confidante but he hid the same feelings from ruk or anybody else because he does not want to show anyone that he is weak because he has bigger responsibilities he wants to stand like a mountain in front of everyone but only shows jodha how broken he is from inside..there has to be someone in life with whom you can share everything and here its his jodha who not only listens to him but puts him to sleep peacefully as his brains need some rest..he is just fed up and blames the throne for it and just wants to forget about it momentarily..just like sometimes i get so fed up from life and say to myself how i wish i can just escape from my responsibilities but then i gather myself again and get prepared for another day and those weak moments of life do happen to everyone but do we all ever give up..nahin na then how can he and we all know he will not..he will emerge out of all this stronger and the curse shook him up more because it came from someone he loved and respected more than his mother..that is what hurt-ed him the most..and then he is questioning himself that what he did was right!

Originally posted by: mandyg

divi, i can tell its written from the heart..! i fully understand you but the writers write instead of going from head to toe they are pulling the ear then arms then cheeks and then back to the hands..zero consistency..it seems ek pakarta hai doosra chorta hai..! and that is how daily soaps work..cvz wanted to show jalal's weak emotions to the extend where jodha was going to enter and we were going to have this beautiful scene..had the cvz shown an emotionally strong jalal we would not have seen a supporting jodha..in order to have one beautiful scene we had to accept the other ugly scene..but what shined through it is good acting and great depth of emotions...jalal is not running away from anything i think we are taking all this too seriously..he is drunk and his emotions are exaggerated, he is openly showing his raw feelings to jodha his confidante but he hid the same feelings from ruk or anybody else because he does not want to show anyone that he is weak because he has bigger responsibilities he wants to stand like a mountain in front of everyone but only shows jodha how broken he is from inside..there has to be someone in life with whom you can share everything and here its his jodha who not only listens to him but puts him to sleep peacefully as his brains need some rest..he is just fed up and blames the throne for it and just wants to forget about it momentarily..just like sometimes i get so fed up from life and say to myself how i wish i can just escape from my responsibilities but then i gather myself again and get prepared for another day and those weak moments of life do happen to everyone but do we all ever give up..nahin na then how can he and we all know he will not..he will emerge out of all this stronger and the curse shook him up more because it came from someone he loved and respected more than his mother..that is what hurt-ed him the most..and then he is questioning himself that what he did was right!

Originally posted by: divyavm

Guys, I am sorry my last message on Friday was cryptic ... It took some time and multiple PMs and reading your posts, to articulate my thoughts in a coherent way. And am traveling so cannot respond to posts individually.

As I read all your posts on Friday, I was touched by how everyone tried to cheer me up on the episode. Did I not get the most positive side of all of you! I am touched by all the posts outlining the positives of yesterday's episode and love you all for it.

But, guys, I was not dejected as you all thought ... I have just realized tv serials need to be watched in a different way than my Take 5 approach.

A note on the beautiful cradling of Jodha of Jalal ... My chella Pattu (Padbear) has described it so well ... I do not need to go further.

First and foremost, I loved the Jodha-Jalal hug in the end ... It was the moment we all wanted to see with Jodha showing her unconditional support to Jalal and declaring come what may they will always be together.

It was a classic example of the lotus in the mud ...

But, yesterday, for the first time, I found that in processing all the mud through my daily takes ... I could no longer enjoy the lotus.

And hence, here is the background of what drove my sentiments.

If you grieve thus for any one

Many will be inclined to die.

That was the closing line of the Akbarnama on Atgah Khan's death and the punishment of Adham Khan and it captured my attention. As this was the poignant episode in Jalal's life where he grieved for those loyal to him and made a strong statement that he would not only grieve but also vehemently protect and respect those loyal to him ... Even above personal relations.

Perhaps, it is my fault ... After Wednesday's episode , the CVs captured my attention as I felt they were capturing history in its essence ... On Thursday I felt a slight drop as they deviated from history to show Maham Anga's histronics, and then on Friday the CVs lost me completely.

Injustice to justice

My issue with the curse is not that I don't believe in curses nor do I feel Jodha-Jalal are not capable of rising above the pain the curse will given them. I always knew the death of the twins would be a bonding force that would take the Jodha-Jalal relationship to the next level of maturity ... This would have happened with or without the curse as it was Destiny. Destiny decrees disagreeable events to strengthen people.

My issue is with Maham Anga's appeal to God to give justice via the curse ... And hence its coming true (whether by coincidence or not) , is saying this was justice for what Jalal did to Adham. And that to me is injustice to justice!

I can see the CVs address this in one way ... Which is if they get Salim Chisti to come in after the death of the twins and explain why this is not because of the Curse or justice because of Destiny's wish to see them as stronger people (CVs are you listening, I am giving you a way out of this mess you are creating)

And I am not sure, why the CVs have changed this track from how far Jalal went to do justice for Atgah to a question of whether Jalal was too cruel. It started with Jodha Thursday more focused on Jalal's cruelty than the pain which drove it initially.

And with the curse, the same question came into Jalal's mind. And my issue is, Jalal is questioning at the tarazu whether he did justice ... And then how could he get cursed. Instead of grieving, focusing on how to protect his loved ones, etc. , he is in two minds on whether he did justice and having a doubt that he may be punished for it!

And I know what you mean Shraddha,I just cannot count the times he referred to Atgah Khan instead of the curse or whether he did justice ... It is like saying adding a drop of karela to kheer, did not bitter the beautiful kheer of sadness, grievance, and respect for losing Atgah Khan.

The tarazu scene had such beautiful potential ... It was referred to in the Akbarnama as the following:

Then he gives him the priceless jewel of justice, so that he can place the familiar friend and the stranger in the same balance and can comprehend the affairs of creation's workshop (the world) without being weighted by personal considerations, and can establish a school of instruction within his holy soul.

This was supposed to be his journey within the tarazu ... Not worry whether he did justice or the curse will come into play!

Jalal's outburst ... You can take the throne and crown away but can you change the man himself?

And then there was Jalal's outburst to his throne. Rajat shone brilliantly in this scene showing his angst, pain, and frustrations.

And till he set the throne afire and Jodha entered the scene, I agreed with most of what he said. People were only seeing his throne and his power and because of they were attacking him and those around him.

I also agree with his pain that nobody was loving him for the Man that he was.

I also agree that he should hate his throne and taaj ... As that is what people see and not HIM.

But an essential part of HIM is being the broad-hearted, just ruler he is ... And the issue is people see his power as his throne and taaj and not the person he is that makes him capable and destined to rule.

Hence, I agree when he said he wants to get rid of the throne and the taaj ... It reminded me of the moment when Jodha told him on their birthday escapades ... That a ruler who is known by his crown and sword is only feared ... A true ruler is known by his heart and what he does for his awaam.

So, yes I loved it when he said he did not want the throne, I loved it when he said he did not want his crown, but I was lost it when he said he did not want his baadshahat.

As you can take the throne and crown away from a man, but how can you take away the just, people-loving leader away from a man?

My heart went out to the awaam who lived Jalal so much they gave him the title Akbar.

In the Mirchi war, my issue was not with him believing Nigaar ... It was his not going to war against Nigar because she was his sister ... Again, the awaam went for a toss for personal considerations. and again it did.

I personally have a significant issue when people try to discard their responsibility ... His calling is to rule. He can cry it is painful, he can ask for God's guidance on how he can travel on it, but I felt trying to discard the responsibility went against Jalal's character.

And especially out of fear of being lonely, where the final impetus was a curse that should not have existed.

And yes as someone in so much pain, perhaps, you can be a bit over-dramatic in your words ... But again ... To me Jalal the Man, is incomplete without his love for justice and his people ... There is a difference between, how can I rule but not be lonely vs. I will not rule because I do not want to be lonely. and the CVs leaned towards the latter.

AJSharma who doesn't come to the forum much these days once told me - how can you take out the ruler from Jalal, it is like separating the shadow from the person. And I could not agree more.

Hence, his outburst that he did not want to rule ... Is the only piece that threw me off as it was completely against his character. And Shyamala Periamma, I look forward to hearing your thoughts on this and I am sure you will articulate it much better.

Jodha, reaches destination without a journey

And now coming to Jodha ... She was beautiful and everything I wanted her to be in the final way she cradled Jalal and told him that she loved only HIM and would always be there for him.

This was the Jodha I always wanted.

But, I wasn't sure if I ever saw the journey of how she got there.

I always wanted to see Jodha's journey to this point and suddenly I found it a disconnect with the Jodha I saw up in the recent moments ...

- Everyone knows I was upset with Jodha from the day before ... Okay she was scared of Jalal ... But did they show a minute reflecting on his pain vs. assessing the cruelty of his act? What was he so hurt by?

- When she sees him burn the throne ... Her first reaction- What did you do? This is a bad thing for the Mughal Sultanate to burn the throne.

And then when Jalal outpours the pain in his heart, came one of the most beautiful scenes of the serial ever, she provides beautiful emotional support of loving him for the MAN he was and not his throne and crown or him being a Shehenshah. And loved the way she held him in a protective hug.

This was the Jodha I always wanted to see ... But, the CVs never showed is her journey to that point. Yesterday I said she will get there, and suddenly she got there.

And that is when I realized that that is where my daily view of the serial was wrong- our emotions do not follow a steady journey, they are an erratic journey. And I found myself unable to enjoy the highpoints as I cannot see the bridge with the low points. One day I am questioning Jodha and on the very next day loving her.

Hence, my realization ...

I finally zoomed out and realized on a tv serial it is not the daily bumps that matter but the milestones here and there. The hug was all that mattered, not the bumps along the way that I have outlined above.

I envy the writers on this forum who zoom in only on the lotus and when the show is murky zoom out to the big picture, stay back, and wait for the next milestone ... When the journey itself may be ad hoc.

And that is why I am going to take a break from daily take 5 ... It is not because I do not have hope for the future- do I not think Jodha-Jalal are going to survive every challenge and emerge victorious in their love? of course, I do!

But, that does not mean that some days there can't be lows ... And that indeed is why my Take 5 approach is flawed.

Even in my life, I cannot say every day is beautiful ... But the overall journey and destination is beautiful and that is what keeps you going.

So, I wanted to make sure folks understood and not be disheartened that I had no hope for the future. But rather, it was because I finally realized was it was more important to to enjoy the journey and destination instead of analyzing (or even cheering) every bump along the way.

And that is how the CVs write this show as well ... They are not looking for a consistent trajectory of emotions or consistency ... They just know their destination in the end of the day is Jodha-Jalal's love emerged victorious over all. Some days their dialogues are off ... Sometimes their take on history ... But the milestones are all that matter.

Hope and positivity never comes from take 5s ... It comes from the belief that Jodha-Jalal were soulmates that would emerge victorious amidst the challenges of history. That is truly what keeps us watching the show and always will!

Now, if you read my note from Friday you will read it in a very different way.

Not sure if this makes sense ... But it is from the heart.

Very well written post divya and i completely agree with ur injustice to justice thts the thing irks me in fri episode wht s the punishment for the evil deeds done by her if she repents her mistakes at death bed means it make any diff among the anyones thought no never after twins death thy will remaind this curse only.God granting evil womens wish i hate cvs for this

Let me tell u something very interesting that I deduced from the friday epi - that I think will be the storyline now - from now every track will have Jalal as the centre who will be two steps ahead is what is my feel and in such a situation similar to how he was in Atifa track he would need someone who will be what Atgha was then - his strongest support and his strength - which is what they made Jodha on friday - yes they did not show her journey - not becoz they did not know how - it was supposed to have been from the end of the Atifa track that her journey shd have started to reach this point - but well everyone is not a Rajat - as for ur Take 5 - that is for u to decide - but as for Akbar saying he would leave his Badshaahat - do remember he did not say he would do this for another - he would never ever wish his pain on another so when he said this it was more a bitterness coming out where he needed Jodha to just tell him that u do not ever need to maintain ur facades with me - he just needed to know that there was one person still who like Atgha could see the real man thru all the veil like Atgha did in the Atifa track - and if u note Jodh did not say anything on what would happen if he left his Badshaht or any motivational bhaashan - all she said was that she would be with him always - which tells him that she knows this bitterness is a lashing out at having to be guarded at all times with everyone - so all she says is ur power or ur throne do not matter to me only you do - this is like Atgha telling Jalal that I know both Jalal the man and Jalal the Emperor - as for the curse - idiocy is the word for it - more than Salim Chisti I want Jalal himself to show how such curses have no impact and what happens is due to either conspiracies or natural causes that can happen to anyone and not special to them.

Originally posted by: adianasr

Let me tell u something very interesting that I deduced from the friday epi - that I think will be the storyline now - from now every track will have Jalal as the centre who will be two steps ahead is what is my feel and in such a situation similar to how he was in Atifa track he would need someone who will be what Atgha was then - his strongest support and his strength - which is what they made Jodha on friday - yes they did not show her journey - not becoz they did not know how - it was supposed to have been from the end of the Atifa track that her journey shd have started to reach this point - but well everyone is not a Rajat - as for ur Take 5 - that is for u to decide - but as for Akbar saying he would leave his Badshaahat - do remember he did not say he would do this for another - he would never ever wish his pain on another so when he said this it was more a bitterness coming out where he needed Jodha to just tell him that u do not ever need to maintain ur facades with me - he just needed to know that there was one person still who like Atgha could see the real man thru all the veil like Atgha did in the Atifa track - and if u note Jodh did not say anything on what would happen if he left his Badshaht or any motivational bhaashan - all she said was that she would be with him always - which tells him that she knows this bitterness is a lashing out at having to be guarded at all times with everyone - so all she says is ur power or ur throne do not matter to me only you do - this is like Atgha telling Jalal that I know both Jalal the man and Jalal the Emperor - as for the curse - idiocy is the word for it - more than Salim Chisti I want Jalal himself to show how such curses have no impact and what happens is due to either conspiracies or natural causes that can happen to anyone and not special to them.

very well said adi , Friday we saw that jodha who is going to be his support system all the way , which is what I wanted to see with out any lecture , she told him nothing else matter to her but him as a person , at that moment she was his and he was hers completely on every level . And about divya ' s take 5 , surely it is ur decision to make , but can we just make one thread after every episode where we can write and let our feelings .

Originally posted by: adianasr

Let me tell u something very interesting that I deduced from the friday epi - that I think will be the storyline now - from now every track will have Jalal as the centre who will be two steps ahead is what is my feel and in such a situation similar to how he was in Atifa track he would need someone who will be what Atgha was then - his strongest support and his strength - which is what they made Jodha on friday - yes they did not show her journey - not becoz they did not know how - it was supposed to have been from the end of the Atifa track that her journey shd have started to reach this point - but well everyone is not a Rajat - as for ur Take 5 - that is for u to decide - but as for Akbar saying he would leave his Badshaahat - do remember he did not say he would do this for another - he would never ever wish his pain on another so when he said this it was more a bitterness coming out where he needed Jodha to just tell him that u do not ever need to maintain ur facades with me - he just needed to know that there was one person still who like Atgha could see the real man thru all the veil like Atgha did in the Atifa track - and if u note Jodh did not say anything on what would happen if he left his Badshaht or any motivational bhaashan - all she said was that she would be with him always - which tells him that she knows this bitterness is a lashing out at having to be guarded at all times with everyone - so all she says is ur power or ur throne do not matter to me only you do - this is like Atgha telling Jalal that I know both Jalal the man and Jalal the Emperor - as for the curse - idiocy is the word for it - more than Salim Chisti I want Jalal himself to show how such curses have no impact and what happens is due to either conspiracies or natural causes that can happen to anyone and not special to them.

adi cannot agree more! now it all depends on ekta how she unfolds the rest of the tracks and i want jalal to be on top of everything with jodha being his support after adgha!

Divi

Divi, sach kahu toh whatever u wrote is actually true..u r talking sense and logic...but u urself gave the answer that destination is important here not the journey...everyday cannot be smooth, ups n down r bound to be there but if we reach the destination we only remember it and consider the journey successful...so same applies for JA...it is not that there r only flaws but yes there r flaws...and we have to get used to with them..there will be loopholes but we have to accept them and forget them seeing the development in JJ relationship...some flaws cannot be forgivable but for the sake of our own sanity we must forget and move on.