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Posted: 11 years ago
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A very interesting comparison, my dear Munni, and it is valid too.

Except that I cannot imagine where all that extra blood on Jalal's face came from😉. He had next to nothing on his face when Adham was finally dead, and when he lifted the body, it was hardly dripping blood!

By the time he meets Mahaam he has blood on everything except his eyes and mouth, and in Jodha's rooms, it is even worse! The Balaji continuity girl must have bunked work the day they shot this episode!😉

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: munnirony

well jalal reminded me of bhim's dialogues from the star plus show mahabharat. after killing dushyasan & drinking his blood, bhim cried & said," ur works like a pishach, also turned me into a pishach." jalal must be thinking the same when he saw himself into the mirror today.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thank you Shyamala 😳 And yes Jalal has no guilt that needs to be washed - but the manner in which Rajat enacted - that just brought Lady Macbeth to mind - this guy is genuinely phenomenal.


Another point that I realised in the last 4 weeks - the take that Rajat, Ashwini and Chetan are giving to their characters is more theatrical in style - and at times even using the Indian Nautanki form - and hence may seem OTT but when it comes to the drama quotient highly effective - Infact Rajat has not only been using his entire body but also the space around him - which is very very theatre style - and this makes him just stand out and everything else revolve around him - and he has been experimenting with this for some time and now is doing this with total confidence - today when he was standing up at the balcony looking down and hearing MA - he actually enlarged his persona to fill the space all around him and the space between him up at the balcony and MA down below - it was majestic and effective and very very powerful


Originally posted by: sashashyam

Beautiful take,my dear Adiana.

Loved the riff on Lady Macbeth, though the context is different, and Jalal has no guilt that cannot be washed off even by all the perfumes of Araby.

And as for the final part, I see it exactly the same way. Mahaam is no Gandhari, after all, and all her spitting that curse out (I was hoping that she would not do anything like that, but she did after all) means nothing more than that Jalal can now see her exactly as she is, and this without having learnt about all those unborn babies of his that she had killed.

As Divya's extract from the Akbarnama shows, Jalal would have accepted the death of the twins as an act of God, and not as the result of this evil woman's curse. And why should the Indian audience believe in her curse? The power to give a shraap comes only with taposhakti, and as I noted, Mahaam is no Gandhari after all.

Shyamala

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

A very interesting comparison, my dear Munni, and it is valid too.

Except that I cannot imagine where all that extra blood on Jalal's face came from😉. He had next to nothing on his face when Adham was finally dead, and when he lifted the body, it was hardly dripping blood!

By the time he meets Mahaam he has blood on everything except his eyes and mouth, and in Jodha's rooms, it is even worse! The Balaji continuity girl must have bunked work the day they shot this episode!😉

Shyamala Aunty


aunty, if u watch the scene where jalal was addressing the awam, adham's blood was actually dripping heavily on jalal. i didnt noticed it initially but when i watched the repeats i saw tht. but ya when he reached to maham & went to jodha, the make up was certainly different.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Adi..beautifully written ...and i really pray this is exactly what the precap intends...jalal realizes the guilt he felt was over nothing ..she has done worse and will do worse...he needs to let go completely and move forward away from her doodh ka karz and its after effects...



Thank you Sunny I hope so too - and I think so it will be shown like this - since I have not seen Rajat's Jalal show any guilt - and already the soul talk yesterday gave us an inkling of how Jalal will move forward😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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i think now the truth about ruku's MC should come out. maham's curse will bring jalal out from his guilt & maham's truth about ruku's MC will make both jalal & ruku realize which devil actually they had trusted time to time.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sandhya.A


Jodha had declared in the early days of her marriage that she has and will have no fear of Jalal at all, but she admitted to her fear today and was peeping into the hamam like a mouse, after all her declarations of no fear ever against anyone.😆 But I was so pleased with Jodha today that she didn't give any paap-punya lectures. Good girl. Also, she awoke to facts sooner and sensed that she needed to support him.




🤣 Spot on Sands - she was the little mouse totally scared of the bleeding Lion roaring in pain 😆 and even I am very happy that she did not start her bhaashaning and did awake to the fact that Jalal needed support 😛
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Krishna tells Karna during Karna's final talk that Bheeshma dronacharya and Karna are more responsible for the war than Duryodhan himself. The inaction of the good can do more damage than the action of the bad. How true it is in Jalal's case. His inaction, his leniency to his family, his overlooking the evil of his doodh-brother, his failure as a king to render justice has cost him dear. HE is more responsible for the death of one of the most loyal minister of the Sultanate than Adham Khan. It is this guilt and anger that was eating him from within. His rage was more at himself than Adham. He knew MA and Adham's evils. He knew that MA was responsible for BK's death. He knew that AK was responsible for the loots, murders and bad name for the empire at Malwa. Yet he allowed himself to be weighed down by MA's pleas in Malwa. He kept forgiving AK's crimes that resulted in an irrepairable one.


Looking at himself in the mirror he realised what Adham Khan had done unto him. Rajat was too good in the hamam today, ...err..., I mean acting wise.😉 The wish to cleanse himself of his doodh-bro's blood and his own errors in letting him err and the consequences it wrought made him scream out desperately to what he lost - his father figure and most loyal aide.

I found Ashwini extremely good yesterday. We could actually feel for her yesterday though we always knew that she was evil. No wonder she manipulated Jalal all this while. But today it was an overdose and the impact was lost.

Jodha had declared in the early days of her marriage that she has and will have no fear of Jalal at all, but she admitted to her fear today and was peeping into the hamam like a mouse, after all her declarations of no fear ever against anyone.😆 But I was so pleased with Jodha today that she didn't give any paap-punya lectures. Good girl. Also, she awoke to facts sooner and sensed that she needed to support him.



sandhya seems like jodha was finally scared of him😆..i loved rajat all through the episode but did not enjoy ashwini's overdose..i hope this rona dhona gets over and jalal moves on and shows his jalwe😳
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi All- Great discussion as always. I am sorry to be missing it in meetings.

Adia- I so hope the curse is to cleanse Jalal of his guilt and move on ... but then why does he burn his throne as if he has lost everything because of his power?

That is why I feel the curse is going to loom over more than we like ...

Shyamala Aunty, it is right- Maham Anga is no Gandhaari ...

A lot of Mahabharat references I see these days ... but I wish the CVs would be less inspired by the Mahabharat and the history they have in front of them


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: divyavm

Hi All- Great discussion as always. I am sorry to be missing it in meetings.

Adia- I so hope the curse is to cleanse Jalal of his guilt and move on ... but then why does he burn his throne as if he has lost everything because of his power?

That is why I feel the curse is going to loom over more than we like ...

Shyamala Aunty, it is right- Maham Anga is no Gandhaari ...

A lot of Mahabharat references I see these days ... but I wish the CVs would be less inspired by the Mahabharat and the history they have in front of them


The greatness of Mahabharat is that whenever there is a discussion of good and bad in any story or in real life there is always a ready reference in Mahabharat with a similar context. ⭐️
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

The greatness of Mahabharat is that whenever there is a discussion of good and bad in any story or in real life there is always a ready reference in Mahabharat with a similar context. ⭐️



It is its greatness ... that we can refer to it. But I feel sometimes the CVs take out of context scenarios, e.g., Gandhari's curse... and put it in when it is not applicable

I don't have an issue we refer to the Mahabharat ... I have an issue that CVs misuse scenarios from the Mahabharat into Jodha Akbar

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