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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0


Cleo,

Great post! Good to have you back 😊
nice to be back...Thankfully, an easier day for me today.😊
I have been observing Maham's behavior. I do not sympathize with her. She is a hypocrite who is always using emotional blackmail to manipulate people to her advantage.

But what puzzles is that ever since her downfall started a few months ago, she seems to have contradictory feelings fighting with each other within her. I mean, I cannot dismiss her as a single-dimensional evil person. She seems like a complex, multi-layered personality with some issues.
Most humans are known to have a multilayered personality. Good and evil exist within and beyond humanity. But we have the power to choose. MA also had this power. She chose greed and deceit over loyalty.

Adolf Hitler was known to be a vegetarian and an animal lover. He adored his German Shepard. Banned animal experiments. But had no issues with subjecting humans to unimaginable cruelty for medical experiments. Can we still call him a multilayered personality with issues?...I dont think so...he defines evil. Please read his autobiography Mein Kampf if you get a chance. Interesting.

I consider MA a borderline psychopath...But even psychopaths can be aware that their actions are wrong. They can also be occasionally bothered by their conscience.They use defence mechanisms to justify their thoughts, behavior and actions. MA knows that she is evil. She needs to tell herself that she is human...I think her "love" fr Jalal is nothing but an attempt to tell her conscience that she is right in doing what she is doing. It is easier for her to live with herself by thinking that she wants to spare the life of the child who loved her unconditionally.

There is an interesting video on youtube...final interview of Ted Bundy...just hours before his execution. He expresses remorse for his actions and tries to blame po*n for turning him into a killer. He was known to be a charmer and it is easy to fall for his words. But, after watching the video, read what he actually did to his victims for sexual gratification. I can never call a person like him "grey"...he was evil personified.

Bottomline...if voluntary actions are evil...the person is evil...period. I will not give them any respect by calling them complex, layered or grey.


I do feel now that somewhere deep inside she has mixed feelings for Jalal. She may want to harm him and wrest the throne for her own son. Yet, she is also still strangely attached to him in ways that puzzle and upset her.
She killed his kids
She put his life in danger by allowing people like Sujamal and Nigar stay in the palace with easy access to him.
She planned to dethrone him...what would hv happened after that? Jalal would hv been killed by the new emperor or put in jail for the rest of his life.
I wont write about what she did to his loved ones...the list is too long.

No one does this to people they love.
She tries to fool her conscience by telling herself that she loves Jalal. This woman is not honest with anyone...including her own mind.
And, I am sure that she realizes that she would look very bad ( in the eyes of the Awam she was planning to rule) by ordering the assassination of someone who treated her like a mother.


Jalal too is still tied to her with an umbilical cord that he is unable to cut off, in spite of witnessing her treachery and understanding that she is a threat to not only him but also the greater interests of the empire.
He needs to grow up.

Even in reality, these two remained tied together by a strange relationship till her end. Akbar took personal care of her in her last days. And sh did tell him that he had done the right thing by killing Adham.
we dont know how or why she said what she said. Was it a sarcastic statement? or was it something she said to save herself from his wrath? or was it remorse?

It's easy to hate someone evil and want them to be punished and done away with at the earliest. It is a natural human wish to see good win over evil.
I believe in taking the easy way out when it comes to MA...she is evil and she deserves to be punished.

But life is not all black and white. It is a myriad shades of grey in between.
If she is grey, then she is the darkest possible shade of grey...very close to being black. We wont need prisons if we punish people only if they charcoal black. Duryodhan loved his family...was loyal to his friend Karna...but Lord Krishna still considered him adharmi who deserved punishment for his kukarmas.

I also do not like vamps to be glorified or hog screen space at the cost of the leads. But,. at the same time, I do feel the CVs have succeeded to a certain extent in showing the personality of this woman who rose to eminence on the dint of her personality and her shrewd, Machiavellian thinking. She could not have been much educated. The position of women was not all that good in those days, in the sense that men did not welcome women into politics or officialdom openly. So she must have had something in her (besides evil) to have risen to the level of wazir-e-aliya.
Yes, she was shrewd. She played a gamble by protecting the heir to the throne. Later used it to her advantage. This does not make her great. It makes her an opportunist. Several politicians in modern India( including the most powerful woman politician in the last Govt...she isnt educated either) rose to power by sheer luck and shrewdness.

We can say she used Jalal to do so. But even using someone to rise is not an easy task or everyone else would have done so too. I am not supporting what she did or condoning her acts. But as a woman, I am trying to understand where this woman comes from and what exactly is her relationship with Jalal.
I dont see her as a woman...I see her as a psychopath...a criminal

If she had merely used Jalal, he was not a fool to feel pained by her behavior to such an extent. He would have simply dismissed her from his service without a second thought.

If we do see her telling Jalal that he had done the right thing, it will not be a case of CVs redeeming her character. It will only be a case of CVs showing history as it happened. We have to accept history in its entirety and not choose to ignore things that we do not agree with.
Ok...I will accept history in entirety if they do justice to it. They cant pick and choose things to glorify the character THEY like...why not show her death after 4 months as per history?

There can be no redemption for her character now. Because she has fallen from the grace of the one person who she regarded as the most important in her life - whether out of love or out of what she could get from (proximity to) him. She can never be redeemed in his eyes again.

But by still giving her the respect that Jalal reserves for people who have served him since his childhood, he is being infinitely redeemed, if he requires to be redeemed.It is the sign of eternal greatness that great people forgive and move on. They continue to remain grateful to those who have served them, in spite of knowing their motive in doing so.

Even if Jalal is shown to forgive her and continue to care for her, esp after the death of her son at his hands, that act should be seen as a sign of his greatness and not hers.
I dont have a problem if they show Jalal care for her. After all she is an elderly woman who took care of him. I just dont want her to hog the screen space. Have long self talks...or talk with Resham or Ruk taking up 15mins of screen time in each epi...She got her share of attention and glory. NOW LET HER GO.

Here, forgiving her does not mean that Jalal has or will forget whatever bad deeds she did. It just means that he will remember those acts but without pain. And he will care for her but not give her back her position or ease her comeback to a position where she can again harm someone.
I dont have a problem if Jalal forgives her provided
1. the suggestion does not come from Jodha. I dont have the patience to watch it.
2. He acts sensibly to make sure that she does not plot again.

I know lots of people will hate this post, but I had to express what I felt about this woman, who is nearing her end.😊
I didn't hate the post at all...Infact, it charged my grey cells and encouraged a discussion. Hope you dont hate my frank reply😉😊

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: preetgurti



radhika bp high hai so not coming on forum today maddy maar daalegi
Bp high in this condition nit right na so taking resr will write tnr alot of songs


Sorry Preet :( Pls take care and rest well. Hope you feel better soon! 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ayushimehra


Yes its Nature Law, Yes Going to be witness to their Love Story. Love is not Only you Physically Attract, But Love is that, Which, Spreads, all corners of Eachother. ETERNAl
Love story.story of their Soul mate.⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️
Tumm Agar sath dene kaa vada karo, mee youn hee Mast nageme sunata rahu Akela Bahot Der Chalta Raha⭐️

Ab Safar Jindagani Ka Katata Nahi🤗

Jab Talak Koi Rangin Sahara Na Ho🤗🤗

Waqt Kafir Jawani Ka Katata Nahi🤗

Tum Agar Humkadam Banke Chalti Raho

Main Jami Par Sitare Bichata Rahu



Tum Agar Sath Dene Kaa Vada Karo😉

Mai Yu Hee Mast Nagme Lutata Rahu👏 👏

Tum Mujhe Dekh Kar Muskuratee Raho😆 😆

Mai Tumhe Dekh Kar Git Gata Rahu.😃😳


ABhay, What a Amazing post you write,?👏 👏 👏 👏


Ayushi,

Beautiful post 👏

Will read your post on previous page in some time. 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
Since this is about Spirituality, hence the comments and queries directed may be associated with the same only -


Originally posted by: history_geek

Note::

This comment deals more or less with the Spiritual Angle associated with Jo and Ja ..!..
Not to be Confused with "something else"..






Hi Radhika and Mandy,

Very Very Interesting and Constructive Conversation...You have given a new dimension to the discussion here...😊...

"Ittefaaq" rakhte hain aap dono ki batoon se...Though, i have deduced something different(perhaps) based on what i have read till now.. There is NO doubt in my mind(others also) that, Akbar was a GREAT Ruler/Emperor...Greatness of an individual comes from his own actions...No one can ever take away that from any individual...Hence, Akbar's Greatness is NOT in question...And, even if we watch in the show, there are several instances where Jodha is found telling to Jalal that it is HIS OWN Greatness and HIS OWN accomplishments..!


Another thing is that, the TAG of GreatNess is given by the "Scholars" ... There are 3 Great People/Emperors we know .. Two are from Hindustan.. Apart from this, there is NO Lady, ever who is said to be Great (M i right.?.)..Neither Isabella, nor the Cetian, nor the HatsepSut, and many others... If i start elaborating on this according to the Indian context, then i will to Dig up the Chequered History of our BharatVarsha, which i don't want HERE...In Early Vedic times, there were Equal standard given to women, which slowly changed to the other side, during Later Vedic Period..^^^ The hymns of the Rig Veda contain ample proofs the said statement...

Coming back..

Having said this, since the discussion is revolving around Jodha, that what was her role, or to what extent she was "ingrained" in Akbar's Life. And, more so the talk is about the spirituality...What I have concluded -

Since it is your conclusion Abhay, it does not mean it is universal - is that not so? - The beauty of interpretation is that it never needs to be universal - each of us has our interpretation - and none are incorrect - and all are based on the same texts - its just that interpretations are individual to each of us.


is that, if we can think of any SteadFasT companion in Akbar's quest to attain the Ultimate Bliss, the Nirvana of Life { Not to be confused with Buddha's MahaPariNirvana }, it can be Jodha only..



Why i say this is because , among all the people present throughout with Akbar in his Life , the one who was MOST Close to him , in his Spiritual Ventures..Why he chose her to be with him in such Pilgrimages..?..During His Pilgrimages which he undertook, maximum times, she was with him...To me their TOGETHERNESS, in their Spiritual Ventures, makes me think a lot......
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We all can not deny the presence of Navratans and other blessed people in his life..The Lives of people in Mughal Darbar was shaped by a LOT of Talented People...Abul Fazl came in his life VERY LATE(1573-74)..In the SERIAL also, he will come very Late..Not so Early...By then, Akbar was already a very much Spiritual Person...Among the important persons in his Life, the First one after his mother, was Jodha ONLY...Rest others also came, and they also had a lot of impact on him..I don't deny this...But from the Starting it was his Sharik-e-Hayat...His prayers with HER, and taking her with HIM, speaks MORE then anything...
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A Spouse is Different from ALL Friends and Companions..This is what is the Understanding of a Spouse in my knowledge...I may be naive in my assessment, but from my observation, this is what i have learnt...Some things in life can not be substituted...I guess, this is the MAIN Point...I don't want to go in details, but a small anecdote is of Akbar being under a Divine Spell, -

Do read Osho Abhay, he talks of 'Out of the body - Divine experiences' that he also had - very similar to the experience that Akbar had, sometime between 1575-76 - in all such 'Out of body Divine experiences' that many have had - including Buddha, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, the soul is supposed to go out of the body - and in such situations its a woman who can bring the soul back into the body - this is supposed to have happened to Osho as well as Buddha and Ramakrishna - it is also something that happened to Adi Shankara too - so too in Akbar's case when he had a similar experience the women near him brought him back - now as for this being HB and HK - if you are quoting from any particular text then I would like the Volume No. Chapter No where the same is mentioned so that even I can increase my knowledge.


that time the ladies to be with him were HB and MUZ, who made him come back to Senses...The Divine Spell was Clearly recorded for Akbar, but to get to the Details of the Ladies Involved we need to Search plethora of accounts...We may not know "HOW MUCH" was the Level of Involvement of the womenfolk in this...But, the very presence of HB/MUZ evokes the Urge to DIG more on them...

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SideNote:
Another thing is that, we should NOT Forget the accounts of people ( be it Fazl's Nama, or Badayuni's Munthakhab, or Tabqat ) are often colored, according to their wishes as well..Will Discuss this at other place SOON...Just for info, Badayuni - present MUCH Before Fazl in Akbar's Darbar....No SINGLE account EVEN of the Mughal Chroniclers MATCH with UTMOST certainty..😉..I have mentioned this Several times Before...

We often confuse the Young Akbar with the one he turns Later...He was a mix of many things...I can not define him, 'coz i am ill-equipped and not the right person to do so..I can Quote Rumi again, even that is not sufficient to define him...It defines one side of HIM...Here is the quote...

Like the sun for grace and mercy.
Like the night to cover faults.
Like running water for generosity.
Like death for rage and anger.
Like the Earth for modesty.

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Don't you think she MUST HAVE HAD some Quality of a Sufi according to Akbar HIMSELF, that he equated her to Wali Ni'maat ?? Something which raised her Status to an Entirely Different Level...Begums get Titles of MUZ for giving heirs but Wali Ni'Maat(God's Blessing) and Malika-e-Muezma (Of Chaste/Spiritual Nature), speak a Different Tale...The works of Abul Fazl have mentioned her on Spiritual Lines along with Akbar -

Since you are specifically quoting Fazl here and since I have also read Fazl, could you kindly let me know the Volume No and Chapter no where he has mentioned her as Akbar's Spiritual 'Guide' - since that was the original term used - infact if Fazl has referred to MUZ in Spiritual terms along with Akbar even that Chapter could you kindly let me know - I would like to definitely improve my reading of Fazl.


..According to him, If Akbar was the Sun, She is said to be his Fortune and his Matrix....|||...MUZ's title - for giving heir...But other 2 titles point towards a Spiritual Tilt...I am asking this because this is my curiosity...Why ONLY she..?..


@Bold Red Above..

I do agree that Jodha shall be more of a companion to him...But about the guidance part, i want to quote something..😊

Akbar was destined to be a Different person who would stand out to be different from the rest...

Since, the discussion is about the Spiritual Aspect, then >> LikeWise::

Buddha was also "PREDICTED" to be a GREAT saint OR a GREAT Emperor by the court astrologers, as his mother Maya had auspicious symbols like 'White Elephant' entering her Womb, in her dream when she was pregnant.

BUT, Even Buddha was guided initially by the 5 Brahmins. His first guru was Arada/Alara Kalam. When Buddha left his home (MahaNishiKraman), in the search of Divine Truth, he did NOT know where to go. That time he was taken to Uruvela(Bodhgaya) by those 5 Brahmins. There, on the advice of them, he meditated choosing the 'middle path'. At Rajgriha, he was taught to attain the highest level of meditation by Rudrak Ramputra..

And finally attained enlightenment (BhumiSparshaMudra).
Attaining enlightenment was HIS achievement, but we can not IGNORE the role of those who CONTRIBUTED to it..(same for Akbar). So, even Buddha had CATALYSTS in his life. 😊

What i want to say is that, people will InBorn Qualities which show Signs Of Greatness, also need GUIDANCE...No Doubt, Akbar was GUIDED by MANY People, on many fronts..For Example:: His Navratans hold a great place in his Life...The Decisions were HIS, and HE is the righful Owner, of the "Credit" , but the ONES who were with HIM can NOT be SIDE-Lined...





Since the term used originally was Guide - here it seemed to have been used as someone who leads one to wisdom or is a Guru or Perceptor - Was HK a perceptor to Akbar????

A Catalyst is not the same as a Guide - I think we can all agree on that - and it is my understanding that a Spiritual Journey of every Soul is its individual Journey even when it is making the worldly Journey with its Soul mate - the Spiritual Journey is the journey of each Soul to merge with the Absolute Soul - this is my understanding and this Journey is always made by each Soul individually - a Perceptor is one who is the Guru who shows that such a journey is possible - in such terms Akbar's Guides and Perceptors would not include HK is my understanding - In my understanding HK was one of the many keys to his locked doors - one of the many catalysts - No one can take away the Credit that is due to all who were a source of learning for Akbar but only in so far as their role to have been.

As for Spiritual Companion - you may call HK that - my understanding of a Spiritual Journey differs from yours so I wont - similarly someone else's understanding may be different from both of us.

Regarding the term Matrix as used by Fazl - the meaning of this term in classical language as used by the translators is 'Womb' thus the term 'Matrix of Fortune' being the 'Womb of Fortune' or the Womb that bore fruition - To associate this term with anything else - according to me - would be incorrect - and the term used in AN is 'Matrix of Fortune' as a single term - associated with the term Sun being used for Akbar - which is to mean the Emperor guiding the Sultanate - and the Matrix of Fortune' as the Womb of fortune or the wife who bore the heir(s) for the Sun.


Also @ Blue, @Red, and @ purple in text above
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That is what friends are for Radhika...You help me understand points all the time. 😃
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0


Cleo,

Today I am in a mood where I want to see complex characters with all their shades kept in tact. 😉

I so wanted to see the case of the woman whom Jalal gets divorced from her husband (a noble man in his Delhi court) and marries for her beauty.

I wanted to see how, in spite of being a ladies' man in his early years, he continued to love Jodha and then later on, turned spiritual and gave up on physical desires. I still want to see his journey from a lustful man to a spiritual, multi-cultural, tolerant man. And how Jodha walked this path of spiritual progress with him, step for step.

She was not only his emotional anchor but also his spiritual guide and companion.

I do want CVs to show all his dalliances and how ultimately he got disillusioned with such a life and turned to God and Jodha for peace and serenity. 😊


I am clarifying my comments and the context in which I made them. 😊

I meant that if the show is going to depict what happened in history, it should show that Akbar had a few affairs in his very early years. Later he changed. I should have made it clearer that it is this transformation that I want to see. And the reasons for the same.

Personally, I believe that Jodha, with her overflowing love and virtue, was the reason behind this change in his personality. The tagline of the show is also how she changed him. It would be interesting to see just how Jodha transformed Jalal.

It would also be interesting to see the journey Jalal himself undertook to become known as the great emperor.


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Originally posted by: ayushimehra


Radhika, This i posted, Mansi thread, about yesterday post.

(Jalal feels insecure, when he knows Maham is behind all things.) (Airtel spoiler )


1 Start of Episode was good, Hide +seek game, between Jodha+jalal was good, I think, jodha, so not spending time, creating space for Jalal, because, she wants,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;jalal should be live, sometime, distanced Maham +Atifa incidence. because if they spend time first, then,
others not gets time, & which planned other also, that also be goes waste.in this way, Jalal can spend more time, with begums, ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;& live free from tensions.


2, Couple, spend time with eachother, Jalal came to jodha finished, his all work,scene was passonate. Main thing was, Jodha also wants, Jalal should spend time with her. So we should imagine they spend a lot of time, together.

3, (but if CV little thinks about Audience, They can show this scene more Romantic, atleast, audience was waiting for many times,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;They can see Atifa Love, or sometime Ruk love, but they should show, Akdha love, also,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;So CV should correct this point.)

3 Episode going to be sad so when i was watching, episode this song Recalled.

(Hide seek between Akdha. indicates this song,;;;;;;;;;;;;Baggo mee Bahar hee, Tum koo mugh see payar hee, Naa Naa ,😆


Yesterday was Black Chapter of Mughal Empire, or we can say, Black Day. When a loyal person, sacrifice his Life, protection of His King,⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Creations of cunningness, people;;;;;;;;;Big team behind this,😡 😡 😡 😡

1, So MAHAm which ambition, gave to Ak, now its result coming.

2, if we recalled, back episodes,AK in Malwa, +Maham creations are so Many, Kingdom can't progrss, if so much cheaters are working But they are espacing. & when time coming for their ending, they did again worst,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Which can;t not be forgiven,.

somepeople takes Birth, to giving pain to others.🤢 🤢

3 So How much jalal paid cost, for Doodh-Son, +Doodh Brother. He again lost, A FATHER-FIGURE in his Life.

4, So Ak did Plan for Atgha, Death, it means, which message got, to Atgha, was, Froad.

5 So big team is working, in Agra, against Jalal.?

6, Yesterday Zaveda is showed, to Faithful, for Mughal Kingdom.⭐️ ⭐️,



7 Entery of AK, & his, torture in Place,+Harsness +rudeness, scene was good, but Creation of Ak was very insenstive.🤢 🤢, so which death, he got he deserves that.,

8 But he not worried for Zaveda, Also, Poor girl all faceing, Stupidness of AK.

9 Is Zeveda is going to be dead, so inthis way Maham total family will be finish.

10 Is Maham sick sense, is indicating, Ak will sure did some Wrong.?

11 But she is going into depresson.?

But Atleast, A Loyal person murder by, AK. Last scene Atgha +wife was, showed contactvity, of Atgha & His Wife.

Jalal +Atgha last scene was Mind -blowing.Totally showed realtionship Growth.

Before death, Atgha findout, Crime, did by Ak, finicial depatment, i think Atgha will tell today this to Jalal, because jalal was, wet with blood in Precap.


But Precap, is Ak has been punished, or Jalal, has been wet, from Atgha blood.

Jalal was sleeping in Harem, & outer, so much, VINDVASH has been happened by AK.🤢

so Alvida Atgha,⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️


So New Journey, of Akdha Going to be start, Now they will become, Partner of Own sorrows +happiness.

Then this journey will change in to Soul-Mates. So jodha, Role going to be imp, in Now jalal's life. Because he has lost, his Faithful Atgha. He is feeling inscure +Lonalyness, Nobody in Agra Trustable, So Jodha +MS T M role or many others, responsibilites, going to Big.

But because Jodha is Wife, & Honest, so naturally, Big resposibility, is coming front, of couple, about Own life +Kingdom life.

Old realtions are going+New realtion are coming.

So Welcome to New Phase of , Akdha In New Life.

Good post
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ayushimehra


Radhika, This i posted, Mansi thread, about yesterday post.

(Jalal feels insecure, when he knows Maham is behind all things.) (Airtel spoiler )

Thank you, Ayushi. You know, I look forward to your posts and PMs - you are the most positive person I know and your outlook on relationships and AkDha is amazing. ⭐️

1 Start of Episode was good, Hide +seek game, between Jodha+jalal was good, I think, jodha, so not spending time, creating space for Jalal, because, she wants,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;jalal should be live, sometime, distanced Maham +Atifa incidence. because if they spend time first, then,
others not gets time, & which planned other also, that also be goes waste.in this way, Jalal can spend more time, with begums, ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;& live free from tensions.


2, Couple, spend time with eachother, Jalal came to jodha finished, his all work,scene was passonate. Main thing was, Jodha also wants, Jalal should spend time with her. So we should imagine they spend a lot of time, together.

3, (but if CV little thinks about Audience, They can show this scene more Romantic, atleast, audience was waiting for many times,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;They can see Atifa Love, or sometime Ruk love, but they should show, Akdha love, also,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;So CV should correct this point.)

I agree. 😃

3 Episode going to be sad so when i was watching, episode this song Recalled.

(Hide seek between Akdha. indicates this song,;;;;;;;;;;;;Baggo mee Bahar hee, Tum koo mugh see payar hee, Naa Naa ,😆


Yesterday was Black Chapter of Mughal Empire, or we can say, Black Day. When a loyal person, sacrifice his Life, protection of His King,⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Creations of cunningness, people;;;;;;;;;Big team behind this,😡 😡 😡 😡

1, So MAHAm which ambition, gave to Ak, now its result coming.

2, if we recalled, back episodes,AK in Malwa, +Maham creations are so Many, Kingdom can't progrss, if so much cheaters are working But they are espacing. & when time coming for their ending, they did again worst,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Which can;t not be forgiven,.

somepeople takes Birth, to giving pain to others.🤢 🤢

3 So How much jalal paid cost, for Doodh-Son, +Doodh Brother. He again lost, A FATHER-FIGURE in his Life.

Very sad. Jalal is like the tragic hero of the classics. I don't know if any other king saw as much tragedy in his lifetime as Jalal. 😕

4, So Ak did Plan for Atgha, Death, it means, which message got, to Atgha, was, Froad.

5 So big team is working, in Agra, against Jalal.?

6, Yesterday Zaveda is showed, to Faithful, for Mughal Kingdom.⭐️ ⭐️,

She was wonderful! Though why she didn't warn Jalal in the palace itself is a mystery. May be she wasn't aware of what exactly her husband planned to do and followed him to see for herself.

7 Entery of AK, & his, torture in Place,+Harsness +rudeness, scene was good, but Creation of Ak was very insenstive.🤢 🤢, so which death, he got he deserves that.,

8 But he not worried for Zaveda, Also, Poor girl all faceing, Stupidness of AK.

Yes, she suffered a lot for having married him. 😕

9 Is Zeveda is going to be dead, so inthis way Maham total family will be finish.

I think she will die.

10 Is Maham sick sense, is indicating, Ak will sure did some Wrong.?

11 But she is going into depresson.?

She may be afraid that AK may do something foolish, get caught and be punished.

But Atleast, A Loyal person murder by, AK. Last scene Atgha +wife was, showed contactvity, of Atgha & His Wife.

Atga's wife is extremely supportive of her husband and his devotion to Jalal. She was also the foster mother of JAlal.

Jalal +Atgha last scene was Mind -blowing.Totally showed realtionship Growth.

Before death, Atgha findout, Crime, did by Ak, finicial depatment, i think Atgha will tell today this to Jalal, because jalal was, wet with blood in Precap.


But Precap, is Ak has been punished, or Jalal, has been wet, from Atgha blood.

After killing Atga, Adham and his men try to enter Jalal's hojra to attack him. But Jalal throws him down from the roof twice to kill him with his own hands, after learning that he had killed Atga.

I don't think Atga will tell anything about the fraud to Jalal.
Jalal was sleeping in Harem, & outer, so much, VINDVASH has been happened by AK.🤢

so Alvida Atgha,⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️

Yes, Adham really created a lot of chaos and confusion in the palace. At least, he will die today.

So New Journey, of Akdha Going to be start, Now they will become, Partner of Own sorrows +happiness.

Then this journey will change in to Soul-Mates. So jodha, Role going to be imp, in Now jalal's life. Because he has lost, his Faithful Atgha. He is feeling inscure +Lonalyness, Nobody in Agra Trustable, So Jodha +MS T M role or many others, responsibilites, going to Big.

But because Jodha is Wife, & Honest, so naturally, Big resposibility, is coming front, of couple, about Own life +Kingdom life.

Old realtions are going+New realtion are coming.

So Welcome to New Phase of , Akdha In New Life.

Ameen!!!

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Originally posted by: history_geek

Hi all...

I am reading the views posted by you all..
Very interesting thoughts...Will be back soon...
Thanks for Posting and Sharing such amazing piece of writing...👏.
It's Wonderful to see such a collection of Posts here...
Continue...😊


Till then, made a post...Un-Ressed on Page---14...

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Abhay again wonderful post with wonderful thoughts, JJ relationship is more of emotional & spiritual level, both got much more support from each other and stood by each other till the end of their journey, their souls are connected..

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