'Whose guroor is greater ... yours or mine?' - Page 12

Originally posted by: sun29

mansi ..thanks for the clearer picture...beautiful analysis but i am of the belief that there is no TE especially after yesterday...no it has nothing to do with jalal shouting at jodha about khyber...the man how much he may pretend he will never ever disregard the laws of Islam or holy month of Ramzaan...he has clearly gone nuts...and his irritation is what is boiling over he screams at jodha...and with new promo...thankfully the track is near closing...and these 3 days too wil lbe more of blah blah yap yap and shout😆

@dikhsa..thanks for the info and i completely believe what you have written coz this is exactly the chain of events happening...the new promo and the segments have proved it...

the last time before papita entered and after kidnapping drama ..jodha ahd called her God for her children and jalal had said not to compare him to God coz he may do something that will hurt her and their children..that was a subtle forewarning

this track it seems is to show jodha that jalal is no god😆...and crying ,grovelling jalal is what will give them trps ...unki residential moochon waala tulsi😆

i seriously want jodha to go back to Amer...whether she forgives him or not is her decision..but she needs to get out of the mad house for her and her babies sake...

i want to murder the cvs...why do they do this in all track..make jalal come out looking even more dumber...

and they made AK utter all those dialogues and the ruqaiyya drink wala scene as red herring for audience to keep guessing when they shock us into anti climax...i know exactly how these people work..hence i kept on talking about sin and redemption track..this has to come handy for the future death of the kids...

they are going to nichod nichod ke make jalal cry now...upar se AK ka death too coming

the article posted is more or less what Diksha has said...they simple changed the sequence to provide the sensational news pehle...

today jodha is going to get whacked from all quarters ...and tomorrow ruqaiyya adding salt to her and making drinks to jalal.

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Mansi once again salute to your positivity. 😃

You are saying that we should look at Jalal-Jodha and Afita tracks differently. However, it is Atifa who is affecting Jalal's behavior towards EVERYBODY else. So how can atifa not be blamed?

I hope that Jalal is acting and he knows Atifa truth. This is what I would LOVE to watch. Then I would feel very upset with Jalal cos he is behaving very harshly with Pregnant Jodha and his babies - in private also! Surely in private he can show her his concern.

However, his actions are pointing that he is not pretending but is actually under some evil spell.

The Jalal we know might change but NEVER change so drastically in few days. So for him to change so much he has to be under some influence.
If this was shown gradually he getting attracted to Atifa can happen.

He has a HUGE ego and if he had big clashes with Jodha THEN LATER he might have got attracted to atifa to spite Jodha - like in Ben track but REAL attraction this time.

However, when Jalal started getting attracted to Atifa there was no clash between him and Jodha at all. So Jalal has to be under some spell.

I think Jalal's reaction about Khyber is not wrong - the punishment was.

What Jodha and Adga pointed out is the truth - Khyber is used by someone else to get him to do this. How can Khyber escape from jail and not be seen by all these guards who are guarding the haram? Cos Jalal himself told Jodha he had increased security (big joke!).

So why did Jalal NOT think this is true. If he is pretending he does not have to pretend about investigating this.

Jalal felt guilty that he was out flirting with atifa while all this happened. So to ward off his guilt he is punishing khyber more harshly.

What someone wrote is true, if Khyber was just a darinda why did he not attack anybody after he got out. They showed him pass Ruk and SB hojaras but he did not do any harm. So Khyber did not pose any threat.

I agree Jalal is right that anyone getting into his haram is wrong and punishable. However, Khyber is bit like Shehnaz pretended to be - not all there mentally!

If Atifa was not in Jalal's life then Jalal would have not been away on shikar, he should have been with Jodha! Jalal even if he was away would have been very worried about Jodha and his babies and he would not have behaved so harshly with Jodha.

If they had a calm discussion instead of shouting by Jalal then he might have understood that killing of Khyber esp during Ramzan would be over reaction. Jalal could have got Khyber sent away somewhere away from Agra. Clearly he knows someone helped Khyber. Surely this helper is a bigger risk than Khyber. This investigation is a priority. Adga voiced this thought that there must be a secret way, SD talking this way about Jodha is not right, surely Jalal should have listened to what Adga said.

If Jalal is behaving THIS WAY ALL THE TIME COS HE IS UNDER CONSTANT WATCH then it says very poorly about his palace and loyalty of his men to him!

Jodha just saved a person who had saved her babies and for her that is big thing. Jodha has not seen Khyber behave badly with anybody after that, rather he has been flogged.

I think WHY they showed the public scene where Jalal thinks he as Shehenshah was insulted? Cos he took the decision with his ego and now his ego is hurt. Jodha did not ask for Khyber's life to be spared out of ego! Only cos she did not want Jalal to do this in Ramzan. Even Adga agreed with her. So the public scene and Jalal getting further into rage is cos so Jodha can now be treated even more harshly,
Ruk can gloat and tell Jodha that Jalal got her so now he has moved on to Atifa
so that Jalal can justify his attraction for Atifa as his anger towards Jodha and behave even more disgustingly with her.
So he can declare love and marriage with Atifa without any guilt - after all he declared Jodha is not fit for his love!

The truth is THIS JALAL IS NOT FIT FOR JODHA'S LOVE AND DEVOTION
He is under a spell and he has turned into a zombie. So this is not Jodha's Jalal - like she and Adga said he is a different person altogether!

Originally posted by: ashpat

Mansi, loved the green parts. It was a different perspective of not linking jalal-jodha dimensions with Jalal-atifa.

I want to share what i wrote regarding Jalal-atifa track in another thread:

Jalal-Atifa track:

Three possibilities and its effects and loopholes:

1) Jalal being Teda Jalal: Jalal knowing Atifa is an assassin and acting "attracted or interested" in her to show everyone and therefore ridiculous dialogues and scenes with Atgah (about love etc) and with Jodha to show how he has changed and does not care about his love and a woman he who giving him an heir.

This would be the best way to resurrect Teda Jalal. All fans -be it Jalal fans (esp.), Akdha fans and Jodha fans would be very happy. However, the problem is in order to do "drama" he caused or will cause unintentional mental stress to Jodha and his unborn kids which is not good for her health or his kids. but, he might have thought preventing direct physical danger to jodha and kids is better or more important than worrying about mental stress which might have less effect than real physical danger.

2) Jalal under spell or hypnotised: This would explain his changed behavior towards everyone esp. Jodha and even his OWN changing nature. It would totally justify his own behavior and his behavior towards everyone esp. Jodha.So, no one will blame him for anything.

But, the problem is that usually when some one is under spell or hypnotism, one does not realize it. So, it means there would be some other person (most likely Jodha and Atgah may be) who realizes it and diffuses the spell and rescues Jalal. There is nothing wrong with it except it would seem repetitive of Benz track unless something clicks or triggers Jalal's mind or something big happens that shakes Jalal out of hypnotism/spell without the help of a person. (the trigger could be an event or prayers or a miracle - it can be anything). After he realizes he is under spell then maybe they can show teda Jalal but it seems highly unlikely considering current Cvs.

If this happens, Akdha fans will be very happy for obvious reason and so would most Jodha and most Jalal fans. (except that the hope of Teda Jalal would be gone for this track unless after he comes out of spell by himself he acts Teda and get to the root of problem).Few Jodha fans might feel guilty or hurt/sad that they called Jalal by different names or that they had to eat their own words. Few Jalal fans might get mad if Jodha rescues him again while he is under spell.

3) Jalal is genuinely attracted or interested in Atifa or love(?) Atifa: If Atifa would have been unmarried then it would have made more sense if he was attracted to her. But, she is married (well at least that's what is shown so far). So, it really goes against Emperor Jalal, husband Jalal, lover Jalal and God-loving Jalal, too. This would also go against the main point of the epic love story.If he is NOT shown under spell or as teda jalal, then I really don't know what to say.he may be attracted but definitely not in love according to me unless CVS decide to show that.

If this happens, then be it Akdha fans, Jodha fans or Jalal fans, all would be devastated and angry. The reasons might be different- Akdha fans will be mad because their Akdha are not together in love and with each other, some Jodha fans will be mad because Jodha is hurt and Some Jalal fans will be mad because he will probably have to apologize to Jodha and they will not like it at all. One thing all fans will agree that Jalal's character would have been butchered even more than before.

Originally posted by: tamy267

Mansi brilliant post!!!👏👏

I agree with u...just to create drama CVs r showing both the tracks simultaneously...though I have a feeling Khaibar and Papita track will end at the same time.

yesterday I have shared all types of theories I could think of.😆

I am not surprised at the promo..little pissed that CVs going in the Benazir way once again...🥱dont know why all Kabul exports tracks ends in the same manner...😕promos have been misleading...so not commenting on that actually..rather I will watch the episodes.

in all this, I feel terrible for Jodha..😭coz the girl has no idea what is going on..she is pregnant and at this stage she should get love and care only, but all she is getting yelling, bearing unnecessary tensions, getting kidnapped, let alone Jalal not any of Agra inmates taking care of her!😡

Khaibar Issue:

Jodha- Jodha is right stopping the death punishment...she knows Khaibar saved her before and the he listens to her command..Khaibar didnt harm anybody...she not only saved Khaibar but also refrained Jalal from committing a sin in this holy month of Ramzan...yes, it was an insult for Jalal at public going against his own decision to fulfill his promise to Jodha..Jodha could have asked it inside her hojra where Jalal openly stated he is going to give death sentence to Khaibar...but nothing is important than saving a life..Jodha did it in Moti track too! this punishment is also disliked by Atgah and others...I am with Jodha here.

Jalal- Jalal is not wrong punishing Khaibar either...the guy kidnapped his pregnant wife and killed many of his soldiers, entered his harem, breached Mughal kayda, entered his Begum's hojra at midnight and could have harmed her had Sharifuddin not been there..!! Jalal doesnt know Khaibar is a good person..he only views him as a threat to his harem, his wife and his waaris.

what was wrong is, giving death sentence in the month of Ramzan..he could have simply postponed it..no one told him not to punish him..Jodha told him not to do it now..but he was so adamant punishing him right there that he overlooked he is doing a sin as a Muslim.

Atifa Issue-

Theory 1: Jalal is tedha and he is very much aware of what he is doing..he is convincing his enemy camp that he is not into Jodha anymore..he doesnt like her anymore..he has fallen for Papita hence these frequent fights, yelling and all this tam jham...so that he could protect Jodha and his unborns..punishment to Khaibar is to prove he has changed completely..and going back to his old ruthless self of Jallad..he knew Jodha will use her farmaan and save Khaibar in the nick of time..he (Khaibar) didnt have to get punished...hence he created a drama of death sentence.

limitations: tedha Jalal will never disobey Atgah..he will never disrespect Tansen.. and will never shout at Jodha like this and mouth such harsh and rude words to her considering he loves her and she is going to be a mother of his children...he can shout at her for this Khaibar issue, but wont use those harsh words...tedha Jalal must have had control in his words and tone.

Theory 2: Jalal is under a spell...Papita did some black magic or made him drink something..hence all this behavior of Jalal..if u notice u will see he is not good with anyone..! he is not listening to Atgah, he is insulting Tansen, he is committing sin in Ramzan, he is always chidchida, shouting at everyone, he only keeps calm around Papita...as if she is controlling his senses...we have seen Jalal being religious from day 1 of JA...even in Jallad days he has immense respect for Atgah, his religion and esp. all hunarmand people...he never disrespects any of them...what happened in 4 days that he is changed from within?! the Jalal we have seen in 296 episodes, all of a sudden took 180 turn and behaving so weird?!! yesterday Atgah too hinted the "spell" thing.

limitations: if he is under a spell, he will never think of fulfilling his promise..Jalal is known as waade ke pakka..if he is breaking all his rules then why would he bother to fulfill his wadaa given to Jodha? that means he is in senses.

Theory 3: both JJ r feigning fights...its both of their plan...they r trying to use Khaibar to reach the roots of this conspiracy...Jodha knows about Papita.

Mansi, u can see how messed up I am!😳😕 I am thinking every possible way that can relate to the twist Zee claimed.🤪😆

yeah I have gone nuts..!...

Originally posted by: preetgurti

rhea u see how my real condition is making me think all bakwaas

Originally posted by: akdhalover

But idam sai bola tumne preet

You know aj sbke hopes toot rahe hain!

Originally posted by: tamy267

Mansi brilliant post!!!👏👏

Must say Tamy, gr8 to see ur hopes...

I agree with u...just to create drama CVs r showing both the tracks simultaneously...though I have a feeling Khaibar and Papita track will end at the same time.

yesterday I have shared all types of theories I could think of.😆

I am not surprised at the promo..little pissed that CVs going in the Benazir way once again...🥱dont know why all Kabul exports tracks ends in the same manner...😕promos have been misleading...so not commenting on that actually..rather I will watch the episodes.

in all this, I feel terrible for Jodha..😭coz the girl has no idea what is going on..she is pregnant and at this stage she should get love and care only, but all she is getting yelling, bearing unnecessary tensions, getting kidnapped, let alone Jalal not any of Agra inmates taking care of her!😡

Khaibar Issue:

Jodha- Jodha is right stopping the death punishment...she knows Khaibar saved her before and the he listens to her command..Khaibar didnt harm anybody...she not only saved Khaibar but also refrained Jalal from committing a sin in this holy month of Ramzan...yes, it was an insult for Jalal at public going against his own decision to fulfill his promise to Jodha..Jodha could have asked it inside her hojra where Jalal openly stated he is going to give death sentence to Khaibar...but nothing is important than saving a life..Jodha did it in Moti track too! this punishment is also disliked by Atgah and others...I am with Jodha here.

i m always with Jo everywhere... she is not wrong... and the basic thing is, right from start she is always shown soft hearted, who ll forgive even biggest enemy , if he apologizes genuinely... and here KZ is someone who doesn't understand this world around him... naturally , Jo pities him... her feelings r not more than sympathy for KZ...

Jalal- Jalal is not wrong punishing Khaibar either...the guy kidnapped his pregnant wife and killed many of his soldiers, entered his harem, breached Mughal kayda, entered his Begum's hojra at midnight and could have harmed her had Sharifuddin not been there..!! Jalal doesnt know Khaibar is a good person..he only views him as a threat to his harem, his wife and his waaris.

what was wrong is, giving death sentence in the month of Ramzan..he could have simply postponed it..no one told him not to punish him..Jodha told him not to do it now..but he was so adamant punishing him right there that he overlooked he is doing a sin as a Muslim.

as a husband and king he might be right here, but only if he was not wrong any time... when he himself is committing mistake, then he has no right to punish other person for same crime...

Atifa Issue-

Theory 1: Jalal is tedha and he is very much aware of what he is doing..he is convincing his enemy camp that he is not into Jodha anymore..he doesnt like her anymore..he has fallen for Papita hence these frequent fights, yelling and all this tam jham...so that he could protect Jodha and his unborns..punishment to Khaibar is to prove he has changed completely..and going back to his old ruthless self of Jallad..he knew Jodha will use her farmaan and save Khaibar in the nick of time..he (Khaibar) didnt have to get punished...hence he created a drama of death sentence.

limitations: tedha Jalal will never disobey Atgah..he will never disrespect Tansen.. and will never shout at Jodha like this and mouth such harsh and rude words to her considering he loves her and she is going to be a mother of his children...he can shout at her for this Khaibar issue, but wont use those harsh words...tedha Jalal must have had control in his words and tone.

Theory 2: Jalal is under a spell...Papita did some black magic or made him drink something..hence all this behavior of Jalal..if u notice u will see he is not good with anyone..! he is not listening to Atgah, he is insulting Tansen, he is committing sin in Ramzan, he is always chidchida, shouting at everyone, he only keeps calm around Papita...as if she is controlling his senses...we have seen Jalal being religious from day 1 of JA...even in Jallad days he has immense respect for Atgah, his religion and esp. all hunarmand people...he never disrespects any of them...what happened in 4 days that he is changed from within?! the Jalal we have seen in 296 episodes, all of a sudden took 180 turn and behaving so weird?!! yesterday Atgah too hinted the "spell" thing.

limitations: if he is under a spell, he will never think of fulfilling his promise..Jalal is known as waade ke pakka..if he is breaking all his rules then why would he bother to fulfill his wadaa given to Jodha? that means he is in senses.

Theory 3: both JJ r feigning fights...its both of their plan...they r trying to use Khaibar to reach the roots of this conspiracy...Jodha knows about Papita.

Mansi, u can see how messed up I am!😳😕 I am thinking every possible way that can relate to the twist Zee claimed.🤪😆

yeah I have gone nuts..!...

none of this theory fits... coz if he was faking, then atleast there should have been some care in his actions atleast for the kids to born... it doesn't show...

had he been under some spell, he wouldn't have been soft with others... he would have been soft only towards atifa, and harsh with everybody else...

jj doing drama... then i don't think jo is such a fool not to understand this drama is costing her stress which can harm her babies...

no this track is worst ever in JA till date..

Originally posted by: preetgurti

rhea I know how u feeling but now be strong pls