Jalal deeper into Atifa fascination as Khyber enters Jodha's bedroom! - Page 12

Originally posted by: ayushimehra

First thought.

, these days camera is going again & again Ruk. She handling all points, HB or Jalal.

Drink scene his expressons were Akward, Her words were, Jodha is not Going thats GOOD,

She has no problem for Anyone. Jodha is going to become MUZ, so Ruk Acceptions are Killing.

so is she Using Atifa for her benifit, jodha will go into depresson, & her pregnancey will Suffer, This way, Jalal will angery with Jodha. Gap will come.

Second MC, enemies wants to kill Jalal +jodha, So is Nigar +Maham both are included.

but Khyber will save Jodha.lets see. Or Ruk will use Khyber point, & he will punished, DEATH, & jodha will save using her Wish.

One doubt, Jalal goes to Ruk hozara, I not want to Loose realtions, is indicating,

Jalal knows this time, Ruk is cooking some, or he is showing, he nothing knows.

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Mansi, just some thoughts came, (second theory )😆

Khyber first came,for killing Jalal, But idea changed, After, Kidnapping Jodha, MC sent, Many peoples team in Agra.

But needed, How to Kill Jalal?

Now MC, used Atifa,Seeing Atifa, Jalal is going to attracting Ruk used her for her benifit, same BEN case.

If Jalal goes to jungle, With ATIFA team, is Atifa is going to say, Jalal tried to MOLEST Her.

Because Atgha said, Touching, ATIFA, Jalal Taj can be SNATCH. (in this way, if Jalal Taj snatches, PROFIT GOES TO MC +NIGAR) But Ruk idea will change the situation.

Then Atifa husband will Divorce Her, Ruk will suggest, & Used her 1 wish Jalal should Marry Atifa, So King, Taj will not snatch

Khyber goes to jodha Hozara, & Death sentenace, Gone to him, Jodha saved KHYBER, using her Wish.

Jodha Prooves, Jalal can't do this, & she Proves, Jalal not tried to Molest her.n she prooves

Atifa is a spy+hypnotized girl, Ruk burns.

Then , Refusing Jalal marries to Atifa, Ruk used her second wish, because Atifa husband divorceed her, So jalal should Marry her.

Then salima used her wish, & choosed another Good partner, for Atifa.

Second, jodha will clear through letter, that Rajkumari, Mughals are Good, so, she should Marry Atgha Son.

Khyber will appointed security of Agra, or killed by MC people.

(This is my KHYALI PULLOV )😆 😆

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon

I love ur Khayali pulao, if all this gets over next week I will be the happiest. This current track is giving me sleepless nights even after me not watching it for past 2 days..

Originally posted by: ayushimehra

First thought.

, these days camera is going again & again Ruk. She handling all points, HB or Jalal.

Drink scene his expressons were Akward, Her words were, Jodha is not Going thats GOOD,

She has no problem for Anyone. Jodha is going to become MUZ, so Ruk Acceptions are Killing.

so is she Using Atifa for her benifit, jodha will go into depresson, & her pregnancey will Suffer, This way, Jalal will angery with Jodha. Gap will come.

Second MC, enemies wants to kill Jalal +jodha, So is Nigar +Maham both are included.

but Khyber will save Jodha.lets see. Or Ruk will use Khyber point, & he will punished, DEATH, & jodha will save using her Wish.

One doubt, Jalal goes to Ruk hozara, I not want to Loose realtions, is indicating,

Jalal knows this time, Ruk is cooking some, or he is showing, he nothing knows.

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Mansi, just some thoughts came, (second theory )😆

Khyber first came,for killing Jalal, But idea changed, After, Kidnapping Jodha, MC sent, Many peoples team in Agra.

But needed, How to Kill Jalal?

Now MC, used Atifa,Seeing Atifa, Jalal is going to attracting Ruk used her for her benifit, same BEN case.

If Jalal goes to jungle, With ATIFA team, is Atifa is going to say, Jalal tried to MOLEST Her.

Because Atgha said, Touching, ATIFA, Jalal Taj can be SNATCH. (in this way, if Jalal Taj snatches, PROFIT GOES TO MC +NIGAR) But Ruk idea will change the situation.

Then Atifa husband will Divorce Her, Ruk will suggest, & Used her 1 wish Jalal should Marry Atifa, So King, Taj will not snatch

Khyber goes to jodha Hozara, & Death sentenace, Gone to him, Jodha saved KHYBER, using her Wish.

Jodha Prooves, Jalal can't do this, & she Proves, Jalal not tried to Molest her.n she prooves

Atifa is a spy+hypnotized girl, Ruk burns.

Then , Refusing Jalal marries to Atifa, Ruk used her second wish, because Atifa husband divorceed her, So jalal should Marry her.

Then salima used her wish, & choosed another Good partner, for Atifa.

Second, jodha will clear through letter, that Rajkumari, Mughals are Good, so, she should Marry Atgha Son.

Khyber will appointed security of Agra, or killed by MC people.

(This is my KHYALI PULLOV )😆 😆

Originally posted by: Gem12

Mansi Beautiful analysis..though I hv not seen the episode but after reading LU I almost had tears in my years feeling jo's pain.. and seeing jalal's behaviour ..but later on I questioned my self wat happened in one night that everything changed in thr lifes... is he the same jalal..and started recollecting all incidents and discussed with her...more than me she had many doubts like me..many questions like me but left with no answers..so today I am not giving on my take what happened exactly y it happened..dont no..but just wanted to rethink about wat happened and trying to connect all loop holes

Friends its something fishy.. daal main kuch kaala nahi..bohot kuch kaala hai..par kya hai.ye kisi ko nahi pata.. for the time being lets forget for sometime y jalal was behaving like this..and y jo is concerned about kyber...

Theory one:

Lets not believe zee..for some zee said jalal lusts atifa..for many of us he said no love story nor lust story.. and it il end soon..but I feel this track is not a short one..infact just like bens track which il go atleast min 30 to 45 days..

Bens Case	Atifa's track
Fight started with dhakka scene	Fight started with jo s concern towards khyber
Ben entry-she is a dancer from kabul	Atifa entry-singer from kabul
Jallu used ben to make jo jealous	Here he is shown lusting -may be a victim or acting to save jo and his babies
Shivani marriage with hakim-she doesn't want to get married to hakim	Rajvanshi princess marriage with atga son- princess not interested in getting married to mughals
Jo was not aware of jalal's intentions	Here jo knows about it-lets see wat step she il take
Rukku maham badkofied jalal	Rukku badkofying jalal and hb
Jo took poison to save him	This time only time will answer"who il save whom

Myself and Jiya were discussing whole night about this track and we identified the loopholes and tried to connect it

Rukkaiah

Remember the warning jalal given to rukku ...

She hates jo..and doesn't want rajvanshi princess to give birth to the heir.. she not only wanted to separate jolal but also wanted to prove that jo is not taking care of kids and her health..if tmw she plans something like MC also she can easily blame jo that due to her careless ness MC happened..remember she said on that day infront of mirror il not let u give birth to sultant heir.. il wont let u succeed...She was so evil at that time..acted all lovely infront of jalal..alone she showed her true face..

Everything started wen jolal are back to mad house after kidnapping track, after coming when jj r in their hojara n jodha first time saw babies movement n also jallu too feeled this but in that scene also we felt that time he didnot not show any excitement about this feel of his babies n we thought may be he was guilty that time thats why gave those expressions but if we see that scene again then we knw at that time also he was physically there with jodha but his mind was not with him may be ruq or atifa start their spell that night n effects of that spell we saw frm next morning

Next day was day 1 of ramzan holy month...next day morning Jalal for the first time said to Jo hume lagta hai hum apko teek se samaj nahi paye..sounds fishy...

Wen Jo went to Jail its rukku who got to no about it and instigated HB and later on jalal too joined and scolded Jo...sounds fishy...

Wen jo was having stomach pain..rukku said Jo was fasting and jalal scolded her and left the place..he never came back to her...not even worried about her health.sounds fishy..

Later on rukku came to HB and with food to break her ramzan fast and again instigated hb against jo..sounds fishy..wen did she started taking care of all these things... yesterday she managed to give him medicine thru drug..who knows may be she was doing all this from day one of ramzan holy month..kya pata food main mix kiya ho... wen ever rukku and jallu spends time she used to give jam..but this time she gave him some other drink..some thing very fishy..

Today also rukku gave some drink to jalal and gave evil smrik..sounds fishy..

Who knows since ramzan started she is taking care of this fast thing..and jalal's weird behaviour started from that morning..both ruklal were so uncomfortable till Jashan..all of sudden both started playing chess..and jalal started spending nights with rukku and complaining about Jo like bens track...-- ...now both are very comfortable and jallu not at all comfortable with jo.. he is not even looking at jo and into her eyes..he is avoiding seeing her.. something seems to be very fishy

either jalal wantedly doing this to save jodha from all dangers and with some plan behind this..if not rukku is plotting to separate jolal...this time she is playing games withd HB also..coz if jalal is not on jo's side next its HB who il not allow jo to be alone..so very carefully ek teer se do nishaan pe war kar rahi ho...

Jalal:

something is wrong..this is not the jallu we knew..he is not jodha's jallu...from the day one his eyes are set only on Jo... and that too now she is pregnant.. something is fishy..dont no what..daal main zaroor kuch kala hai... kuch to gad bad hai...

wen jo went to meet kyb how does jallu got to no the next min...
jalal ko kaisa pata chala..jo ko humesha se pamper karne wala aaj achanak se itna badakne kaise laga hai..even if its attraction towards atifa still jo is his heart beat...strange.. its a planned one.. jo ko paigam pohunch na..jallu waha ana sab kuch kaise exactly horaha hai..its not only planned by MC...some one from mad house ..two parties are playing thr games seperately & differently..

second come wat may jalal never ignored jodha in last 1.5yrs..
ek hi din main aisa kya hogaya ki wo jodha ko bhool hi gaya... he was fine even after the hamam scene...
uske baad kuch hua..kya hai kisi ko pata nahi..
today rukku gave some drink and given evil smrik..
after this atifa hamam scene he didnot visit jo once...
he is meeting atifa every now and then
wen her husband beats her how come next min this info passes to jallu before reaching atga..
now taking tansen and his student for hunting... strange..he went with rukku or Jo... again strange..

remember tat day jalal warned rukku before jashan.. after that kidnapping track... after that from next morning jalal is behaving all weird.. he tried to paint jo's pic..and he said i feel still hum dono ek dusre ko teek se samaj nahi paye..after that he met atifa in hamam.. how did she get entry to take bath in royal bath tub..who gave her permission..some one from harem close to jalal behind this only can do this... the look both exchanged in bath tub after that he is not even looking at Jo... mostly wen ever these two fights its always jalal goes to jo and then both il say sorry to each other..but this time he never went to meet her..instead he went to rukku's hojra and started complaining about jo like before.. and then went to meet atifa in mid night...touching married women and taking of her ghunghat and holding hands in public ... he is not the same jallu whom we no.. now planning to take tansen and his students for hunting means atifa ..not informing jo .. wen jo asks her giving lame reasons like pregnancy..not even looking into her eyes...seems fishy..he is not the same jalal who used to crave to spend atleast sometime with jodha...but now she is pregnant..but still he is behaving weired..lets agree that his love is not true love ..it was just only lust..and now he is after atifa..but is he the same jallu wen he got to no a bandhi got preg in the beginning of the show and was about to celebrate..but later on got to no that child was not his.. how he was craving to have kids of his own..maan te hain jodha se mohabbat nahi ...ab atifa pe man hai...par kya bache par bhi pyar nahi.. is he the same jalal who cried for kids and almost broken everytime.. isn't something fishy here..going for hunting wen jo is pregnant and her life is in danger..still this kyber is in jail still he is going for hunting..to puri daal hi kaala hai

Atifa and her husband:

This lady looks very dangerous... remember from day one her husband is scolding her y she is not covering her face with jallu..what if jalal recognize them...what if others recognizes them

Next scene he said don't u no who are u.. y u are not covering ur face..can we take it as a hint who ever looks at u il become ur puppet coz of magic or spell or hypnotism...may that's y he keeps on telling her to cover her face with gunghat..

Still she is not even bothered .. any married women il die in that generation if any male touches her apart from her husband..here she is happily allowing jalal to touch her hold her...admire her..both gets lost into each others eyes..

Wen her husband beats her how this info is reaching jalal before atga ..who knows that this minster and atifa are husband and wife in real..may be acting just to gain sympathy of jalal to kill him

Thru eyes they can hypnotize and make anyone dance according to thr tunes..who knows may be she has applied the same logic on jalal also..thats y he is behaving all weird.. in that case y he is acting normal with rukku...?? Only time ill answer..who is the mastermind behind this..cud be rukku or atifa or jalal or his enemies...

MC and abumali:

Now thr aim is not only to kill jalal but also to kill jo and her babies.. high chances that may be atifa cud be her agent..

Khayber

Two chances: thru kyber to kill jodha..but since he is not ready to kill ..plan b..to send kyber to jodhas room..either he il kidnap jo again and later on they plans to kill both kyber and jodha..if not kyber il get caught...and jallu il suspect jo and separation..in that case easy for them to kill both jalal and jodha individually..now they hav realized they cant kill the other coz both are each others strength..so divide and rule policy...alag karo phir maaro...ek teer se do nishaan..no jodha no jalal and his kids..

Since jallu is not in palace who il save jo if kyb kidnaps her.. what if kyb kidnap hi na kare bus vapas chala jaye..some one sees this may be rukku sees this and informs this to jalal and instigates him against jo..gusse main jalal gives saza e maut to kyb... jo il use her wish and saves kyb..this il irk jalal more..and separation ..rukku il again insult Jo uses this opportunity to separate jolal for ever... finally wen jo gets to no atfia is here to kill jallu and tries to save jalal and in the end may be kyb saves both jolal and sacrifices his life if not jallu il give him job and keeps him with him in palace..ek aur jo ki manju ki list palace main add hojayega...

Atga and jodha

Guess jodha this time she il tell jallu that the princess is not ready to marry her..par he wont listens to her so she may take atgas help..

Theory 2:

Jalal is not truly in love with jodha..just in love with the idea of being in love with jodha..thats y got easily attracted to atifa..and found his real soul mate..thats y always thinking about her..in that it's a tight slap to us loyal fans..better to shut everyting and watch something else and say bye bye to JA ...better jo to go back to amer as mad house people doesn't deserve her..

Friends.. i hvnot seen the epi..just LU,mansi update and talk with jiya's help I am able to give this take..i can never see my jodha in pain..so wont be watching it till this track ends... just waiting to see happy jodha..right now I don't want to comment anything on jalal till I gets clarity about his behaviour..if he is lusting jo then the end of love story...just hope for the best..fingers crossed..Happy weekend guys

It is well known in Hindi TV serials that after the consummation track of the two lovers is over, then the Creatives become stuck about what to keep on showing. Here in JA for example, all the major points of the story, the epic love, have already been covered almost. Jodha and Jalal had enmity earlier, which then changed to love. She then showed him his "dil" and her role in converting him into a great king came in that moment when he got the title of Akbar. They became lovers and started sleeping together one year after their marriage, and now they are all set to be parents.

Now what is left to show in the love story per se? More and more lollipop love scenes surrounded by the politics of their home life and royal life and sultanate politics? Maybe they can show birth and death of twins and then birth of Salim ... all again in the midst of more politics of Agra ...

You see, the Creatives get stuck because when they have already shown a love geeting deep, deeper, deepest ... then they are just left with the option to show that deep love now and then in every episode surrounded by the events and happenings in the family and the sultanate politics.

At this stage what the Creatives then do is to create deliberate series of "love refreshments" ... that is, they show someone or something separating the lovers mentally, physically or emotionally, and then they show a bhandaphod , a khulasa, or a kiss-and-make-up moment so that the lovvers can again be united, and thus again the moments of deep love can be shown in a refreshed way. Thus all we can expect now from the love story of Jodha Akbar is a series of "separation-unity", "separation-unity", "separation-unity" kind of progress. Each time the separation will be caused by some of the villains and vamps, and each time the unity will be achieved by the two lovers themselves with the exposure of the villains and vamps.

Here two more aspects the Creatives have to keep in mind ...

a. They have to always show that some vamps or villains are responsible for the separation. Because if there are no vamps and villains responsible for the separation then that will imply that Jodha and Jalal themselves acted badly with each other, and thus they are not being true to the deep love they have professed for each other. So only if the vamps and villains are shown as having created the chaos the lovers themselves can be absolved of the blame for the separation.

b. If the Creatives try to eliminate the villains and vamps from the story there will be less and less opportunity to show the refreshment of the love. So the villains and vamps have to be retained or made to go scot-free or are only mildly punished ... because they are again and again needed to create the separations of the lovers so that again and again unity can be shown as "refreshed love".

Where are we now in the JA story as per above formula?

Accha, now in the case of JA also they have followed the same "separation-unity" formula as most serials do as I have described above.

After the consummation this is the first "emotional separation" track we are seeing wherein Jalal is shown fancying Atifa and Jodha is seen supporting Khyber. Doubtless some villain or vamps have to be shown as having created this sepration because otherwise it will look like Jalal and Jodha themselves "tukrao-ed" their deep love!

See how we alll hate it when the blame for the separation falls on the lovers themselves. We are unable to take the idea that the lovers are themselves to blame for the separation. We all desperately now want some vamp or villain to have enginnereed this sepration so that jalal can be free of blame for neglecting Jodha during pregnancy, and so that Jodha can see how she too is being pushed to help Khyber at the cost of her love for Jalal!

Now we are all running to blame Ruq because we so desperately want her to be the reason for Jalal's odd behaviour, and we want also to see if Mahchuchak and ganag are responsible for pushing Khyber more and more into Jodha's path!

So to sum up what I have said so far:

One: The formula that works best for audiences - as the Creatives know - is that after consummation there should be repeated cycles of "separation-unity" so that the love between the two can be again and again refreshed.

Two: The sepration should not be caused by the lovers themselves as the audiences hate it if the blame for bad behaviour falls on the hero or heroine themselves. The story becomes unpalatable. The love gets sullied. So some villains or vamps have to be involved in the creation of the separation to absolve the lovers of the blame of the situation.

Three: At the end of the track there has to be partial exposure of the villains and vamps and/or only mild punishment since the vamps and villains are needed to again and again refresh the love by creation separations.

Four: In this current JA track, we are now going through the first separation track after the consummation. Here we all are currently upset that it looks as if Jalal/Jodha are themselves to blame for the mess they are in. We so want this Jalal behaviour to be explained as caused by some villain (eg. Ruq). We so want Jodha kindness to Khyber to be seen as the chaal of Mahchuchak and gang to push her more and more nearer to Khyber. We do not want to see Jalal as deliberately neglecting Jodha in pregnancy. We do not want to see Jodha as overly motivated to help Khyber at the cost of her love for Jalal. We so want Ruq to be drugging Jalal to fancy Atifa, and we so want Mahchuchak and Abul Mali etc to be deliberately pushing Khyber towards Jodha.

Five: As per typical formula, now there will be a breakthrough at the end of the track when Jodha and Jalal will realise that the villains are pushing them away from each other, there will be a big moment of revelation and re-articulation of their deep love for each other (i.e. refreshment of love) and the villains and vamps involved in the tracks will be "mildly caught and/or punished or may even go scot-free so that they can again start some separation on another fine day!

The slightly unique formula that the Creatives of Ekta have followed

While Ekta and her Creatives have largely been following the same trend as all serials do (as fully decsribed above) they have done one or two things extra which makes this serial different and more exciting than ususal serials.

One: Because they are following a historical story for the broad contours they have a lot of characters to play with since tin the real life of any King there are always lots of politics. So Ekta has also made room for lots of villains and vamps to be in her story and she has created many different tracks and sub-stories using these villains. So we now have a suituation that while this current track is going on there are also many other open tracks created previuously that are not yet closed. A number of villains and vamps have also been introduced in all these open tracks.

Two: Now Ekta is following a slightly unique formula. Usually in serials the "separation-unity" formula will be fostered using just one vamp or villain again and again creating trouble for the lovers. But here Ekta is using some two or three villains and vamps and two or three previous open tracks to come together to create the seperation. She has in her hand many villains and vamps and many open tracks, to play with.

At present I think she is using Ruq, Mahchuchak and Abul Mali as the combination of villains and vamps creating the Khyber-Atifa confusion and emotional separation of Jodha and Jalal. (Nigar, Sharif, Adham, Maham are not involved this time.) After the unity is achieved in this separation who knows, the next time the separation may have a different combination of villains and a different combination of previous tracks involved.

(For example, Maham, Ruq and Nigar may be involved and the Chand Begum track may be involved in somehow separating Jodha and Jalal in the next separation track before again unity is achieved. In the third sepration situation we may have a combination of Adham, Sharif and Maham creating the confusion between Jodha and Jalal regarding Atga son's marriage track).

Accha so I have tried to trace the macro picture of what is happening. In the light of this strategy of Ekta we now have to analyse:

1. Who are the combination of villains and vamps used in this track and which villains and past tracks are not used?

2. What is the confusion and separation that these villains have achieved and how will Jodha and Jalal unite after this track to say "I love you" with a refreshed vigour?

3. How long will this track last (Ekta has been known to say that one and half weeks is the maximum a track should continue and after every 10-14 days a fresh twist should be brought).

4. What are the old open tracks being used to create this separation situation and will these tracks be fully closed when unity is achieved? How will the tracks be closed?

5. Is it likely that any villains will be fully punished for this mess in this separation, or will they just be partially punished or will they go totally scot free?

6. What refreshed love scenes can we expect to see when this separation turns to unity? Will they show some fresh ways of expressing love between the lovers?

7. How soon after this "separation-unity" track will they again bring the next "separation-unity" track?

8. Since this story is loosely following history in some places, is there any historical hint of how the "separation-unity" formula may be brought about within the limitations imposed by history on this story.

I think this is the way this story has to be analysed. We have to keep the macro Ekta formula in mind when we analyse. Otherwise if we go too close to the story and characters without keeping the macro formula in mind, we will get all confused ourselves and go around in circles wondering who is the villain, what happens to the old tracks, why are the old tracks lying open, why are some villains gaayab etc etc.