Jalal deeper into Atifa fascination as Khyber enters Jodha's bedroom! - Page 14

Mansi i told u right..kyber is still with JA..see his new status update on his FB... i guess in the end he il save jodha and il die... kyber's role il end at the end of this track... this track is not a short one...

Originally posted by: Gem12

Mansi i told u right..kyber is still with JA..see his new status update on his FB... i guess in the end he il save jodha and il die... kyber's role il end at the end of this track... this track is not a short one...

Originally posted by: dushi123

no dear i don't think sooo... he is updating his status according to episode schedule ..this week u can see this ltl innocent romantic scene ..😆 lol.. i mean as a new promo...but nothing else..then jallu will order to kill him... and i think he today posted some old picz with pari ... hope this atifa kybar will vanish by end of this week...😡 still i can see kyaibar and i dnt have any probs with his entry,,,,,,,,,but i dnno i hate to see atifa...she is a headache now🤢

not even a single soul on this earth likes atifa yar...i am just eagarly waiting to see trp's of last week..just hope soon this track gets over..its getting on my nerves... both kyber and atifa track il end at the same time...unfortunately no spoilers this time about this atifa mystery

Originally posted by: skanda12

Gem, as I said yesterday this is a lovely bit of deep analysis that you have put together. I had promised you that I would give you my deeply thought out views on this analysis by today, so here it is.

At first I thought I would take it point by point and give you my thinking on each point that you have analysed. As I said I agree with some of it and disagree with some of it, so I thought I would give comments in the same order in which you have written your points.

But when I looked at it again and again trying to frame my post correctly, I found it a bit difficult to overlay my thinking on top of your points. It was not coming out right. So I thought instead that I would put down my own points in my own order and give you my feel on the same topics you have written so that you and I can compare our perspectives.

How I would look at this whole sitaution we have now is like this:

The broad and macro perspective of why we are seeing this track

It is well known in Hindi TV serials that after the consummation track of the two lovers is over, then the Creatives become stuck about what to keep on showing. Here in JA for example, all the major points of the story, the epic love, have already been covered almost. Jodha and Jalal had enmity earlier, which then changed to love. She then showed him his "dil" and her role in converting him into a great king came in that moment when he got the title of Akbar. They became lovers and started sleeping together one year after their marriage, and now they are all set to be parents.

Now what is left to show in the love story per se? More and more lollipop love scenes surrounded by the politics of their home life and royal life and sultanate politics? Maybe they can show birth and death of twins and then birth of Salim ... all again in the midst of more politics of Agra ...

You see, the Creatives get stuck because when they have already shown a love geeting deep, deeper, deepest ... then they are just left with the option to show that deep love now and then in every episode surrounded by the events and happenings in the family and the sultanate politics.

At this stage what the Creatives then do is to create deliberate series of "love refreshments" ... that is, they show someone or something separating the lovers mentally, physically or emotionally, and then they show a bhandaphod , a khulasa, or a kiss-and-make-up moment so that the lovvers can again be united, and thus again the moments of deep love can be shown in a refreshed way. Thus all we can expect now from the love story of Jodha Akbar is a series of "separation-unity", "separation-unity", "separation-unity" kind of progress. Each time the separation will be caused by some of the villains and vamps, and each time the unity will be achieved by the two lovers themselves with the exposure of the villains and vamps.

Here two more aspects the Creatives have to keep in mind ...

a. They have to always show that some vamps or villains are responsible for the separation. Because if there are no vamps and villains responsible for the separation then that will imply that Jodha and Jalal themselves acted badly with each other, and thus they are not being true to the deep love they have professed for each other. So only if the vamps and villains are shown as having created the chaos the lovers themselves can be absolved of the blame for the separation.

b. If the Creatives try to eliminate the villains and vamps from the story there will be less and less opportunity to show the refreshment of the love. So the villains and vamps have to be retained or made to go scot-free or are only mildly punished ... because they are again and again needed to create the separations of the lovers so that again and again unity can be shown as "refreshed love".

Where are we now in the JA story as per above formula?

Accha, now in the case of JA also they have followed the same "separation-unity" formula as most serials do as I have described above.

After the consummation this is the first "emotional separation" track we are seeing wherein Jalal is shown fancying Atifa and Jodha is seen supporting Khyber. Doubtless some villain or vamps have to be shown as having created this sepration because otherwise it will look like Jalal and Jodha themselves "tukrao-ed" their deep love!

See already when many of us did not have the idea to blame the villains like Ruq for the separation we started feeling very bad that Jalal himself was neglecting his supposed deep love for Jodha and insulting her during pregnancy and cheating her. And similarly we also felt that Jodha, even if she had pity on Khyber, there has to be a limit to going against the fears of Jalal that harm will come to her and the babies.

See how we alll hate it when the blame for the separation falls on the lovers themselves. We are unable to take the idea that the lovers are themselves to blame for the separation. We all desperately now want some vamp or villain to have enginnereed this sepration so that jalal can be free of blame for neglecting Jodha during pregnancy, and so that Jodha can see how she too is being pushed to help Khyber at the cost of her love for Jalal!

Now we are all running to blame Ruq because we so desperately want her to be the reason for Jalal's odd behaviour, and we want also to see if Mahchuchak and ganag are responsible for pushing Khyber more and more into Jodha's path!

So to sum up what I have said so far:

One: The formula that works best for audiences - as the Creatives know - is that after consummation there should be repeated cycles of "separation-unity" so that the love between the two can be again and again refreshed.

Two: The sepration should not be caused by the lovers themselves as the audiences hate it if the blame for bad behaviour falls on the hero or heroine themselves. The story becomes unpalatable. The love gets sullied. So some villains or vamps have to be involved in the creation of the separation to absolve the lovers of the blame of the situation.

Three: At the end of the track there has to be partial exposure of the villains and vamps and/or only mild punishment since the vamps and villains are needed to again and again refresh the love by creation separations.

Four: In this current JA track, we are now going through the first separation track after the consummation. Here we all are currently upset that it looks as if Jalal/Jodha are themselves to blame for the mess they are in. We so want this Jalal behaviour to be explained as caused by some villain (eg. Ruq). We so want Jodha kindness to Khyber to be seen as the chaal of Mahchuchak and gang to push her more and more nearer to Khyber. We do not want to see Jalal as deliberately neglecting Jodha in pregnancy. We do not want to see Jodha as overly motivated to help Khyber at the cost of her love for Jalal. We so want Ruq to be drugging Jalal to fancy Atifa, and we so want Mahchuchak and Abul Mali etc to be deliberately pushing Khyber towards Jodha.

Five: As per typical formula, now there will be a breakthrough at the end of the track when Jodha and Jalal will realise that the villains are pushing them away from each other, there will be a big moment of revelation and re-articulation of their deep love for each other (i.e. refreshment of love) and the villains and vamps involved in the tracks will be "mildly caught and/or punished or may even go scot-free so that they can again start some separation on another fine day!

The slightly unique formula that the Creatives of Ekta have followed

While Ekta and her Creatives have largely been following the same trend as all serials do (as fully decsribed above) they have done one or two things extra which makes this serial different and more exciting than ususal serials.

One: Because they are following a historical story for the broad contours they have a lot of characters to play with since tin the real life of any King there are always lots of politics. So Ekta has also made room for lots of villains and vamps to be in her story and she has created many different tracks and sub-stories using these villains. So we now have a suituation that while this current track is going on there are also many other open tracks created previuously that are not yet closed. A number of villains and vamps have also been introduced in all these open tracks.

Two: Now Ekta is following a slightly unique formula. Usually in serials the "separation-unity" formula will be fostered using just one vamp or villain again and again creating trouble for the lovers. But here Ekta is using some two or three villains and vamps and two or three previous open tracks to come together to create the seperation. She has in her hand many villains and vamps and many open tracks, to play with.

At present I think she is using Ruq, Mahchuchak and Abul Mali as the combination of villains and vamps creating the Khyber-Atifa confusion and emotional separation of Jodha and Jalal. (Nigar, Sharif, Adham, Maham are not involved this time.) After the unity is achieved in this separation who knows, the next time the separation may have a different combination of villains and a different combination of previous tracks involved.

(For example, Maham, Ruq and Nigar may be involved and the Chand Begum track may be involved in somehow separating Jodha and Jalal in the next separation track before again unity is achieved. In the third sepration situation we may have a combination of Adham, Sharif and Maham creating the confusion between Jodha and Jalal regarding Atga son's marriage track).

I am not saying this is what will happen. I am saying this is how Ekta will take some old open tracks and some two or three villains and vamps for each new sepration track, and then solve it with a new renewal of Jodha-Jalal love.

Accha so I have tried to trace the macro picture of what is happening. In the light of this strategy of Ekta we now have to analyse:

1. Who are the combination of villains and vamps used in this track and which villains and past tracks are not used?

2. What is the confusion and separation that these villains have achieved and how will Jodha and Jalal unite after this track to say "I love you" with a refreshed vigour?

3. How long will this track last (Ekta has been known to say that one and half weeks is the maximum a track should continue and after every 10-14 days a fresh twist should be brought).

4. What are the old open tracks being used to create this separation situation and will these tracks be fully closed when unity is achieved? How will the tracks be closed?

5. Is it likely that any villains will be fully punished for this mess in this separation, or will they just be partially punished or will they go totally scot free?

6. What refreshed love scenes can we expect to see when this separation turns to unity? Will they show some fresh ways of expressing love between the lovers?

7. How soon after this "separation-unity" track will they again bring the next "separation-unity" track?

8. Since this story is loosely following history in some places, is there any historical hint of how the "separation-unity" formula may be brought about within the limitations imposed by history on this story.

I think this is the way this story has to be analysed. We have to keep the macro Ekta formula in mind when we analyse. Otherwise if we go too close to the story and characters without keeping the macro formula in mind, we will get all confused ourselves and go around in circles wondering who is the villain, what happens to the old tracks, why are the old tracks lying open, why are some villains gaayab etc etc.

My own small prediction:

In this current separation track my strongest hunch is that Ruq is feeding Jalal some hallucinogen drug to move him towards Atifa, (maybe taking advantage of the fact that Atifa may have some childhood connection of both Ruq and Jalal, which Jalal is not able to place, but Ruq knows fully well what that connection is and who is Atifa).

I don't think Atifa is a vamp and I don't think her husband is a villain either. The Atifa connection and her bad relations with her husband is just being used by Ruq to full advantage in pushing Jalal towards Atifa and away from Jodha at the crucial time of Jodha's pregnancy.

Meanwhile Mahchuchak and Mali are moving Khyber towards Jodha taking full advantage of the fact that Jodha has a soft heart and is showing sympathy for Khyber and Khyber himself has fallen for Jodha. Sharif, Adham, maham, Nigar are all not involved in this separation this time. Chand begum track is also not being used in this separation issue amnd may be kept for future use.

How this separation may reconcile could involve some past open tracks such as the wishes that Ruq has which she can use to demand Kyber death after he enters Jodha room, or Ruq may even go the extent of demanding that Jalal should marry Atifa as he has committed the crime of "touching another man's wife" and making that man divorce his wife etc. We don't know to what desperate extent these villains will go. We have to watch. But luckily even if Ruq uses her two wishes, Jodha and Salima have one wish each will can be used to neutralise Ruq wishes.

The unity of Jodha and Jalal will come where some bhandaphod exposes Ruq and her drugs and also on the other side Khyber defies Mahchuchak and Mali and refuses to do as they asked, and Khyber actually decides to die to save Jodha from Jalal's anger and suspicion! So the lovers Jalal and Jodha will realise that they are both not to blame and the villlains made them behave over-the-top and now their love is even stronger than before because Khyber actually brought them together by himself choosing to die rather than be the haddi that is irritating Jalal and making him scold Jodha!

If at all the Atga son's marriage issue is to be involved here it may started here but left as an open track for future use.

I don't know if I am making sense but I thought I would elucidate the macro formula against which all analysis has to be done to get an accurate picture of what is happening.

Hi people... some good news and some bad. Right from the horses mouth. No., it is not the zee man. I dont believe them them one bit. Anyway gist of a conversation with someone...

1. Leap is on. Rahim as older brother is a central character along with salim. Jodha and akbar still main lead.
2. Paridhi and rajat still there. Atleast till now.
3. Mahamanga not a part og the leap. Ashwini maybe roped in as a different character.
4. Atifa is negative.
5. Atifa mystery solved in 10 episode
6. Jalal is attracted but there is a twist.
7. No atifa is not a relative.

Relax and enjoy. He said it was the toughest track for them to develop as well. But very interesting events to follow...

Originally posted by: thethinker

Hi people... some good news and some bad. Right from the horses mouth. No., it is not the zee man. I dont believe them them one bit. Anyway gist of a conversation with someone...

1. Leap is on. Rahim as older brother is a central character along with salim. Jodha and akbar still main lead.
2. Paridhi and rajat still there. Atleast till now.
3. Mahamanga not a part og the leap. Ashwini maybe roped in as a different character.
4. Atifa is negative.
5. Atifa mystery solved in 10 episode
6. Jalal is attracted but there is a twist.
7. No atifa is not a relative.

Relax and enjoy. He said it was the toughest track for them to develop as well. But very interesting events to follow...

I cannot bear leap but for how many years they will take leap?

Originally posted by: ---jais---

I cannot bear leap but for how many years they will take leap?

Leap of 15 years... rahim as older bro is apparently a hunk. Salim as a young boy.

Originally posted by: thethinker

Leap of 15 years... rahim as older bro is apparently a hunk. Salim as a young boy.

Then i think producer should end this show and start with new session and alsoo i donot think rajat and paridhi would like to act as grow up children parents specially Rajat. He is still 23 yaar.

Originally posted by: ---jais---

Then i think producer should end this show and start with new session and alsoo i donot think rajat and paridhi would like to act as grow up children parents specially Rajat. He is still 23 yaar.

Originally posted by: thethinker

Hi people... some good news and some bad. Right from the horses mouth. No., it is not the zee man. I dont believe them them one bit. Anyway gist of a conversation with someone...

1. Leap is on. Rahim as older brother is a central character along with salim. Jodha and akbar still main lead.
2. Paridhi and rajat still there. Atleast till now.
3. Mahamanga not a part og the leap. Ashwini maybe roped in as a different character.
4. Atifa is negative.
5. Atifa mystery solved in 10 episode
6. Jalal is attracted but there is a twist.
7. No atifa is not a relative.

Relax and enjoy. He said it was the toughest track for them to develop as well. But very interesting events to follow...