Jalal, you are human! - Page 2

Divi you are back 🤗& with a bang ... 👍🏼 ... btw WAAAOOOWW ...!!! excellent letter ... 👏 ... much needed wake up call for the cv's ... btw why dont you email them darling ... if so I hope someone really does this "shubh kaam" 🤓 ... !!

Well said. Really cvs need a wale up call to bring about the great akbar, that he was.

great post .I loved today ...awesome acting by all ...oh jalal should win as many awards this year ...the best KING ever

Originally posted by: Donjas

Great to see you back and posting.

Jalal raised a very interesting point today, that he would become a Jallad once he wore the body armour, then he would spare no one.

I know this to be true. Psychologists have often wondered why so many good people in Germany committed horrific atrocities during the 2nd world war. One explanation is that once they wore their uniform their personality underwent a change. This was confirmed by the famous prison experiments of the 1970's.

In this experiment a group of students was divided into two groups, prison guards and prisoners. The prison guards were given uniforms and the authority of their real life counterparts. Very soon in the experiment, the Prison guard students got into their role and started abusing the prisoner students, the experiment had to be called off early because of the extant of the abuse.

Welcome back divya and nice post and i think in today's episode jalal doesn't need that wake up call divya(hope cvs will continue that). Yes like you said cvs need wake up call divya.😃

Originally posted by: AKT.JA

Welcome back! Look forward to your regular updates. Very impressive if you typed all of that on a mobile phone.

Brava, my dear Divya!

Written straight from the heart, and spot on. The part about Nigar's crimes is the best, not that it is going to weigh with this Jalal.

When I listened to Jalal's rooh tell Jodha's rooh that had he known that a baby was on the way, he would never have gone to war, my heart sank into my slippers. What kind of emperor and protector on his awaam, of whom he talks in every other sentence, is this? If every soldier whose wife is expecting refused to go to war, where would the army be? This is the ruddy limit as far as Jalal is concerned. 😡

Then I remembered the old story about the queen of Rana Chundawat, who was so obsessed with her that he refused to go to war even though his kingdom was in dire danger from the enemy. She cut off her head and sent it to him on a platter to tell him to forget about her and do his duty. And he did then go to war, apparently.

Not that one wants such drastic measures, but Jalal sorely needs a solid call to action in the seat of his jama or whatever it is. Preferably with hobnailed boots.

Now, we are going to be subjected to this latest promo, a la Gabbar's den Sholay, which I saw last night. It did the near impossible, it rendered me speechless. I did not think even Balaji could sink so low. Unless, of course, it is Abul Mali's fantasy, which I devoutly hope it is!

Already, it was bad enough to see a Jalal almost afraid of going to war, with such a dismal, depressed face, and this NOT because he does not want to fight his beloved, murderous Nigar Apa,but because he was practically sure he was going to lose. It was the pits to see him declaring this to Jodha, and adding that he might well die in the battle. What a way to keep up the spirits of his womenfolk!😡

If everyone of the soldiers who participated in the Normandy landings on D Day had carried on like this, the Allies would have been routed in a matter of days. But the soldiers fought and died with courage and tenacity, and the Nazis were defeated in the end.

Here, can you imagine the spirits of the Mughal soldiers once they take a look at their Shahenshah's face? They would immediately sink into their boots. The consequences can be well imagined. It is a disgrace of the worst kind.

The only saving grace on Wednesday was the gallantry of Ruqaiya, sending Jalal off to Jodha for the kind of peace and rest he needs before a battle.

Not that this is going to do much for this wetrag of an emperor, already weeping at his anticipated loss. Shivaji Maharaj, if he were not 2 centuries later, could have taught Jalal how to win a battle with a tenth of the enemy's strength in men. And this was supposed to be the great conqueror of over half of Hindustan? Akbar must be whirling in his tomb at Sikandra at such blasphemy.

And to top all this,we are now apparently going to have a repeat of Dharmendra in Sholay, bar Jodha getting up and dancing on broken glass a la Hema Malini. It looks exactly like that, though Gabbar Singh would take strong exception to being compared to the one-eyed wonder, he of the horsehair wigs, Abul Mali. Oh God, what is this show coming to? 😡😡

One good thing is that I do not have to waste time commenting on this asinine rubbish. My advice to all of you who might read this: Do NOT waste your non-renewable time and your hard earned money calling Zee. They must have shot 2 weeks worth of episodes already and they will air them.

Nothing in the least is going to change, and unless someone files a court case and challenges this depiction of Akbar. As no one is going to do this, nothing can be done to stop such vile distortions. If Ekta tried any such uchit natakiya rupantar with Shivaji Maharaj, Balaji Studios would have heen ransacked by rampaging mobs. But who cares about poor Akbar the Great? Only some odd historians, and they are not about to come out of their ivory towers and protest.

Better go and rewatch Jodhaa Akbar the movie once more, as I am doing now.

Divya dear, it is good to know that you have got safely back home.

Shyamala Aunty

Loved your lament for the Lost Emperor, Lashykanna!

Do see my own lament above!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: lashy

Exactly... far far far far more impressive than the CVs and their version of Jalal 😆 Truly...

And Divi, I think the CVs have taken ONE aspect of Jalal's life 'I'm partial to my relatives and loved ones' which I agree might be a shade different to other Emperors before and after him who possibly didn't think much before doing away with their relatives in case they were a threat to the throne.

Only, this one aspect is being treated like his whole life ONLY revolved around it.

At first they showed him inept in political affairs (Benazir. Tasneem etc) and so many explanations sprung up saying it was a petticoat government initially and he did nothing much (when our historian friends have shown that he was actually quietly planning his moves all along this time) Fine! Then he became all lovelorn and forgot his responsibilities for a while - and that was his romantic side showing him weak. Fine!

Then came the TM fiasco where he behaved like the biggest fool around and now this.

There has not been a consistent two weeks in this serial ever since possibly eons where we've seen Jalal BE efficient on his own two feet using his own grey cells. The only crowning glory were his debates about the unification of the two religions and a quick Akbar naming ceremony that lasted for all of two episodes. TWO EPISODES!!! So while the most 'forward' thinking aspect of this Emperor's life could be wrapped up in 3 scenes over two episodes, his crazed obsession over Nigaar apaa/Chand Begum has been spanning over numerous episodes now and people wonder what we complain about. Definitely Jalal was doing more than just lying on his wife's lap and listening to lullabies every time he felt tearful. Please...

Fine, you're focusing on his negatives - then definitely try and focus on his positives too!

If being a romantic and being a family lover was one side of him - being a powerful administrator was too. What about his love for arts and literature? Have we seen ANY bit of it yet? Nope... fine, even if he did amass such treasures at a later stage, I'm sure the inherent nature to appreciate it was there since he was young. Yet, we've never seen those aspects of him. What about his interest in construction? We saw how interested he was in trying and testing out new weapons, expanding his armoury... (the long rifle scene at the beginning - damn, why was I reminded of that)! What about his hunting expeditions? Nope none of that either now... after Mohan, he's been scarred for life... 😆

When Jodha keeps saying in the past couple of episodes that he's the best soldier to rule the kingdom etc etc - I truly wonder what she saw him do lately that she says that! Cos all I see is him sword practising, fighting a handful of gundas (forest attack) or a few riots (Agra) - definitely not the league expected of an emperor who was busy expanding his empire.

Fine again, while expanding his empire, it was his generals out in the battlefield and he at Agra. But, if generals were busy carrying out this task for him, it was only because he the 'leader' was at the forefront - planning at Agra, being aware, discussing it, keeping tabs on it, receiving information in, processing it and giving back orders

Amount of time dedicated to all of this ^^^ - possibly (few seconds) three dialogues by Atgah khan and two by Jalal over a period of five episodes! Even with a looming war, they'd rather focus on a depressed and tearful Jalal than one that's planning! Couldn't they have just dedicated a few minutes for his inner turmoil (Nigaar apaa/awaam's safety etc)? This is heights! Not to mention, the inconsistencies where his conflict before he set out to punish Khan Baba and MA (who were literally his father and mother till a stage) were portrayed far better! And now he's being caught and whipped like an errant burglar at the hands of Abul Maali! Was Shehenshah Akbar subjected to this too? Really then, why was he great at all? Definitely, this serial is not giving me the answers 😆 A shoddy spy network, poor war administration, partiality, neglect of justice (TM fiasco) - the list is endless

This serial should be nicknamed 'The other (weaker) side of Jalaluddin Akbar that thou have not seen' like the movie that came 'Gandhi my father' that primarily concentrated on the weaker aspect of Gandhiji - i.e. his relations with his sons. At least there people didn't go to the theaters expecting to see Gandhi's strong principles and his victorious struggles against the British.

Had enough pointing out what I don't like - so stopped even visiting threads, forget commenting! But Divi, with your thread couldn't help it.. 🤗

Divi...🤗

My dear,

I need not say that I agree with you 100%.

But as for the addendum, that would work only if the new Sholay remix promo is Abul Mali's fantasy. I hope it is.

Plus, the CVs constant endeavour is to promote Jodha's hunars. I doubt if they are going to let Jalal win this one all on his own. Let us see.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: AKT.JA

Welcome back! Look forward to your regular updates. Very impressive if you typed all of that on a mobile phone.

For me the recent episodes have been mediocre at best. We have been seeing Jalal's dil-driven personality far too long, it is time for the Emperor to return. This weepy whiny look is not endearing and does not seem real or convincing.

The CVs dedication to MA and AK characters is mind boggling. Besides the screen space and time they hog, it is simply unreal how they are able to continue conspiring right under Jalal's nose, including fatal attacks on his soldiers. It has made the whole thing unconvincing and annoying.

When we were introduced to HQ, the current abba-huzoor, he was afraid of MCB, a marginal provincial chief in Kabul. However, now his army is so powerful that it is about to run over the Mughal Empire's capital, put the Emperor in chains, and enslave his harem? Akbar and his commanders, who are well informed about MCB and AM's trechery, have left their capital so vulnerable?

It is beyond stupid, beyond funny. I don't think there is any room for intelligent viewers in this serial for the moment.

End of venting. 😊 Welcome back!

Added Later: Temporarily I am withholding judgment on how weak Jalal and Mughal armies are being depicted. Mansi has gotten some info which makes her suspect that all of this is part of a teda chaal. Please see:

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/4091172/does-jalal-have-an-ace-up-his-sleeve