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Posted: 11 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

Superb take, Mansi... frankly i loved the episode...even the scenes of Ruku Jalal and Jo...i know many r miffed by Ruku's behavior and even with Jalal and Jo for tolerating her , rather giving her unnecessary importance...even i didn't like it, still i won't say they were wrong... all three of them were right in their places , in what they did, and the way they did...

the very first thing, Mansi, is we all don't like Jalal's behavior of tolerating Ruku... then look at it in a totally different way... he is not just any common man...he is a Shehenshah, with many enemies around him... he knows he can't name anyone as a friend and other as enemy... he knows he can't trust anybody, coz till date he has been backstabbed more from those whom he trusted as his own... and so he is well aware that his life is always in danger , even next moment he can die, and so he most desperately needs his child , his heir to come to this world safely... it's natural that the kid, and the woman who id bearing that kid becomes his top priority...

then again, not much time has gone when he has lost his kid that too with same woman, even before it was born... he was shattered then... he knows the pain to lose somebody close to his heart... and if he is not ready to take same pain again, can we blame him?

we as viewers , know Ruku is faking pregnancy... but the character Jalal doesn't know it... and just coz we hate ruku for cheating Jalal, we can't expect him to hate the would be mother of his child...

and as for his not saying the word when Ruku was insulting Jo, then he stayed quite only for some time... he rather gave back even more badly, presenting him and Jo as a team, and then declaring that henceforth Jo will accompany him all the time and everywhere, and thus showing that he and Jo r now unseperable... and with this very perfect act, he put ruku right in her place...

i won't blame him if he is taking her any tantrum... now he is in love with Jo, so us expecting that his relationship with Ruku should change fully, is simply not done... Ruku is afterall, herself the princess of his own family with same rights like his own, his first cousin, his first wife and queen, his best childhood buddy, with whom he has shared every moment of his life till he fell for Jo...and once before they both have suffered the loss of their unborn child... so now when she is abt to give him another child, then his taking extra care of her , is just fine...

and i don't think , he is hurting Jo... coz they have merged in eachother now... she is not different from him... rather it's her where he finds peace and solace... and so even when he doesn't like ruku insulting Jo, still he bears it, only coz he desperately craves that kid... and he knows Jo understands him, and won't misunderstand him, and that he can trust her to support him for his ignoring Ruku's bad behavior with Jo...he knows that now he had that much strong relationship with Jo, that trust in her to care for him and not hurting him...

friends, there is much more to say... this is not all... but right now , i have to go... will write more abt Jo when i come back...





diksha, what an intelligent and impressive analysis👏
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Posted: 11 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

Superb take, Mansi... frankly i loved the episode...even the scenes of Ruku Jalal and Jo...i know many r miffed by Ruku's behavior and even with Jalal and Jo for tolerating her , rather giving her unnecessary importance...even i didn't like it, still i won't say they were wrong... all three of them were right in their places , in what they did, and the way they did...

the very first thing, Mansi, is we all don't like Jalal's behavior of tolerating Ruku... then look at it in a totally different way... he is not just any common man...he is a Shehenshah, with many enemies around him... he knows he can't name anyone as a friend and other as enemy... he knows he can't trust anybody, coz till date he has been backstabbed more from those whom he trusted as his own... and so he is well aware that his life is always in danger , even next moment he can die, and so he most desperately needs his child , his heir to come to this world safely... it's natural that the kid, and the woman who id bearing that kid becomes his top priority...

then again, not much time has gone when he has lost his kid that too with same woman, even before it was born... he was shattered then... he knows the pain to lose somebody close to his heart... and if he is not ready to take same pain again, can we blame him?

we as viewers , know Ruku is faking pregnancy... but the character Jalal doesn't know it... and just coz we hate ruku for cheating Jalal, we can't expect him to hate the would be mother of his child...

and as for his not saying the word when Ruku was insulting Jo, then he stayed quite only for some time... he rather gave back even more badly, presenting him and Jo as a team, and then declaring that henceforth Jo will accompany him all the time and everywhere, and thus showing that he and Jo r now unseperable... and with this very perfect act, he put ruku right in her place...

i won't blame him if he is taking her any tantrum... now he is in love with Jo, so us expecting that his relationship with Ruku should change fully, is simply not done... Ruku is afterall, herself the princess of his own family with same rights like his own, his first cousin, his first wife and queen, his best childhood buddy, with whom he has shared every moment of his life till he fell for Jo...and once before they both have suffered the loss of their unborn child... so now when she is abt to give him another child, then his taking extra care of her , is just fine...

and i don't think , he is hurting Jo... coz they have merged in eachother now... she is not different from him... rather it's her where he finds peace and solace... and so even when he doesn't like ruku insulting Jo, still he bears it, only coz he desperately craves that kid... and he knows Jo understands him, and won't misunderstand him, and that he can trust her to support him for his ignoring Ruku's bad behavior with Jo...he knows that now he had that much strong relationship with Jo, that trust in her to care for him and not hurting him...

friends, there is much more to say... this is not all... but right now , i have to go... will write more abt Jo when i come back...



Diksha it is very good of you to give the counterpoint to the points I have made. I can fully understand what you are emphasizing and also why, but still I guess I am not happy with the demeanour of jalall and Jodha, Even if it is true that wanting the child so badly is influencing his actions. I guess we are both seeing the opposite ends of the spectrum and there could be other viewpoints also that emerge on this thread today. Let's wait and see how everybody else also feels. It will be an eye-opener for me to read all the posts today!
Edited by skanda12 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#23

Originally posted by: neeshaa16

Dear Mansi,

Supertake on an below avergae epidoe yesterday.. Actually hated the first half.. But really Mansi, you dissected the scene between Jala, Ruks-Jo.. superbly..Perfect analysis of each ones behavious.. But do you think Ruks will make an exit.. No..Mansi.. she will be there till the end.. Look at Maham.. She is still going strong.. We were expectin her to go about a month ago.. they are the favorites of of Ekta.. they won't go so soon however we want them to go...

Anyways.. Jalal's and Jodha's behaviour was not acceptable at all. Though I can understand that they were tolerating Ruks and her tantrums because of her pregnancy and her so called delicate condition.. but Still Jalal could have been more firm with her ..Jodha could have just walked out when Ruks showed displeasure due her to her presence.. She would have looked much more dignified. Left Jalal to placate Ruks..what the need to stand there and bear more insults?? Jalal-Jo looking guilty ... actually also looked funny..why had they to look guilty.. Why did not Jalal even feel bad once when Ruks had not an ounce of sympathy for Jodha inspite of her taking care of her all day and night?? Does not she atleast have the courtesy to ask Jodha if she was alright? and then she has the audacity to order Jalal to send Jodha to her after all this..What the hell?? CVS Are really butchering Jalals and Jodha's character and just made them puppets in Ruks hands... looks so very pathetic..

Jalal ,I dont think has problems in accepting his love for Jodha nor does he feel guilty about it.. and maybe he will openly admit it in front of Ruks if she questions him about it.. but care for her feelings as well. He is not guilty for loving Jodha more than Ruks..he has in fact never fallen in love with anyone before Jo.. though Ruks was his best friend and his first wife ..he knows her too well that she is power obsessed and does not love him the way Jodha does.. Jalal is an open book.. everyone can read him.. everyone around is already aware of his feelings for Jodha.. that they share a very special bond..its Ruks who is not ready to accept it.. though she is quiet aware of it..

Today everyone in the forum must be fuming at Jalal's behavior..

In all this crap.. what about Chand Begum...Why CVS start some tracks ..then suddenly switch to some other track.. Now every one has forgotten that Cand begum's life is in danger?? Just to drag ..the tracks endllessly they will introduce one more track out of nowhere or was it to extend Maham's role even more.. CVS ,PH and Ekta cannot bear to see MA's exit so soon.. they want her to hang around for some time.. .but frankly I can tolerate Maham.. but not Ruks anymore..

The second half was good ..but nothing new.. OK Jodha learning to do namaz.. Jalal and Jo praying together.. was all cute..and nice.. but teh first half left a bitter taste .to the whole episode.. Hope Ruks is exposed soon .. so we can still say.All is well that ends well.!!!
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Neesha, Ruq will not "go" anywhere as an exit. She will always be there but Jalal's giving her priority and positon as "first among equals" may stop.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#24

Originally posted by: vinitaj27

Hi!

Love reading ur analysis everyday. How's ur back now? Btw what's ur name? Seems wierd calling u skanda.
I agree that jalal should in clear words tell ruqqaiya that he loves jodha, till now ruqqaiya has heard it from everyone except jalal. I can feel for him as he wants the best for his child after waiting so long for it n he also knows that ruqqaiya is volatile n childish so he is not sure of her actions. I guess somewhere down the line he has started to see this coming child more as his and jodha's.
I did like the fact that he praised jodha in front of ruqqaiya but I didn't like that he was ready to send jodha to her in her room. Wasn't jodha hurt too n tired after a long n dangerous outing or is she supposed to be on beck n call of BEK all the time? I wish he had told her to let jodha rest n call someone else.
Loved the prayer scene. Till now jalal made the effort to know her customs now she is doing the same n in a way showing him that she is ready to accept him with all his traditions n customs n ways of doing things. It somehow felt more close than a hug. I also loved the fact that when he self deprecated by calling himself an illiterate she was quick to come to his defence by saying that he was more knowledgeable than the learned ones. Also ths act of her asking him to be her guru showed her respect for him which he needs as I feel he somehow feels insecure coz of his inability to read or write.



Perfect take..vinita,

I also felt the same.. why couldn't Jalal tell Ruks that Jo was also hurt and too tired and she can call someone else to take care of her...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I hated the first half of yest's epi... i was so excited for the promo to play out on epi ...but could not enjoy a bit of it bec of the disgusting Jo-JA-RQ scene. that scene was enough to ruin my mood . For god sake RQ is just a preggy lady not like she is suffering from any incurabel deadly diseases.🤢..jodha felt guilty as she herself stopped jalal to inform RQ abt the attack .. n may be jalal too felt guilty for the same reason ...But the way RQ insulted JODHA INFRONT of Jalal in her every line n the way JALAL remained silent through out the scene was absolutely disgusting n unbearable to watch ...he looked Totally helpless infront RQ ... Now i hv started doubting his LOVE for jodha ..Whta kind of LOVE is this ?? Can a person tolerate his closed ones insult right infront of his eyes ??? wtever may be the Reason or wtever may be the situation ...???/ will jalal EVER stand up for jodha infront of RQ ????
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Good as usual Mansi
I am sharing something that I shared in Ela's thread last nit

Ruqaiyya is above everyone even Jalal himself, it's sickening to see her spoilt brat avatar with no one reprimanding but following all her whim and whimsy...and with the new promo around the block I seriously hope R is exposed before anything else. Better still if MA worked her mind and turned everything on Ruqaiyya to save AK - and eventually lead that to her FP expose because she hates Jodha and the attempt was to remove her permanently...WOW just imagine Ruqaiyya clean bowled...
She would be defending herself that she got nothing to with attack and only faked her pregnancy - would be one of the best Freudian Slips😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sonilausarun

I hated the first half of yest's epi... i was so excited for the promo to play out on epi ...but could not enjoy a bit of it bec of the disgusting Jo-JA-RQ scene. that scene was enough to ruin my mood . For god sake RQ is just a preggy lady not like she is suffering from any incurabel deadly diseases.🤢..jodha felt guilty as she herself stopped jalal to inform RQ abt the attack .. n may be jalal too felt guilty for the same reason ...But the way RQ insulted JODHA INFRONT of Jalal in her every line n the way JALAL remained silent through out the scene was absolutely disgusting n unbearable to watch ...he looked Totally helpless infront RQ ... Now i hv started doubting his LOVE for jodha ..Whta kind of LOVE is this ?? Can a person tolerate his closed ones insult right infront of his eyes ??? wtever may be the Reason or wtever may be the situation ...???/ will jalal EVER stand up for jodha infront of RQ ????

Soni, long since I saw you write so much, so I can guess you really are troubled by the Ruq-Jalal-Jodha scene! Thanks for giving your opinion!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: gheet

Good as usual Mansi

I am sharing something that I shared in Ela's thread last nit

Ruqaiyya is above everyone even Jalal himself, it's sickening to see her spoilt brat avatar with no one reprimanding but following all her whim and whimsy...and with the new promo around the block I seriously hope R is exposed before anything else. Better still if MA worked her mind and turned everything on Ruqaiyya to save AK - and eventually lead that to her FP expose because she hates Jodha and the attempt was to remove her permanently...WOW just imagine Ruqaiyya clean bowled...
She would be defending herself that she got nothing to with attack and only faked her pregnancy - would be one of the best Freudian Slips😆

I also thought there could be a possibility that maham turns against Ruq to avoid Jalal scrutinizing Adham's role in the attack. So let's see if something like that happens in the DEK today.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: mandyg



diksha, what an intelligent and impressive analysis👏



thank u
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Good analysis Mansi. The episode was not bad at all. I agree with almost everything that you have pointed out in the post but there are a few points to ponder
1. Jalal knows Ruq and her temper better than anyone else. Given her condition (Jalal doesn't know yet that the woman is faking it) he made a conscious decision. He feels ruq will blow her top and end up harming the baby if he takes a firm stand. Yes he is being indulgent towards her but this time round, I thought he was being so only because of the child.

2. Although it is a very selfish and somewhat mean thing to do but go back a few episodes and you will see how Jalal doesn't want to be anywhere near ruq. Even at her this condition, he prefers to maintain a cordial relationship with her at best. You may have noticed that Jalal doesn't enter her hojara if not to meet jo. If there was even an ounce of guilt in him he would have made it a point to spend maximum time with the mother of his child and do stuff OTT.

But he was unabashedly wooing jodha in front of Ruq, whispering and coochie cooing even love talking right in front of the BEK. If he felt guilty then he would have behaved strangely whenever jo was in ruq hojara. Jalal doesn't need to spell out his love for jo to everyone. It is for them to realise. He is not to blame if Ruq doesn't get it.

3. Coming to jodha. She very clearly stated the other day that she is hoping to better her relationship with ruq during this period. She wants to extend her hand of friendship and is thinking it will be reciprocated. She has also gauged how the child is of utmost importance to Jalal. And jodha feels it is her responsibility to ensure that everything goes off well.

4. In sum, while Jalal appears to be totally concerned about the child in Ruq's womb, he doesn't genuinely want to spend anytime with her. On his part he has made it clear with his actions that he is in love with jodha and ruq is only going to be the mother of the child.
Jo on the other hand thinks about ruqqiya the person and not waris dene wali. Therefore she was hovering about there and bearing all insults because she didn't want to hurt that woman because of what she is and not because of who she is bearing.

So, for me, they were not looking guilty but exasperated with all that boorishness and were dealing with it in their own mature yet teda way...

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