Emotions versus Practicality!-DT NOTE Pg 15 - Page 10

Originally posted by: mandyg

excellent point raised mishti..here more of emotions are involved because of the age old relation and that she has done a lot for him, but her hatred towards non-muslims is not justifiable here..akbar wants a secular state wheras maham is not on same page as him!

Originally posted by: mandyg

folks, again the emotions versus practicality quotient had a spill over into thursday's episode..jodha and HB were again oblivious to evil mind of maham and wanted jalal to patch up with her...jalal is way too much hurt to even see maham's face..she reminds him of a deep pain that a mother can ever give to her son..the forgiveness will not be that easy but do u guys think jalal should forgive maham?...pl share ur views!

Originally posted by: dreams1910

No, definitely not.

Nothing much to say what Maham has done to Jalal. Obviously he is deeply hurt. And I dont think that forgiving a sin like this is necessary at all.

Forgiveness is indeed a great virtue but we must see whether the person deserves it, if the person is really feeling guilty. No na, Maham boasts that she has done no wrong, even she didnot show the required respect to Jodha while she said 'pranam'. So much is her audacity that she can ignore a begum in fornt of the shahensah.

Emotion is good but too much of anything can ruin your life. And an emperor should be above all emotions while justice is most important.

Originally posted by: mishtidoi

Absolutely, Maham is wrong, (in fact she is evil)...but Jalal saw it as her personal opinion, perception, rather than a flaw in character, and moreover he has an excellent ability to separate milk from water...and from the time Jalal has taken his empire's rein in his own hand, many times he'd taken decision independent and despite of Maham, but he always believed in her ability...and Maham was more of an emotional anchor, a replacement for his mother than a political Guru, which was Bairam Khan...but, yes, of course after BK, she gave great political advise for the benefit of empire...

Originally posted by: AJSharma79

To answer your first question - I would go for Rukaiya. Everyone knows her intentions were not right. But forget her intention. We are talking about Rahim, the current heir to the throne. And the decision is relating to him. SB was a total let down. For the sake of Jo-Ja relationship, she cannot behave like she is totally fine with what happened to Rahim. It makes me question whether this is the step mother in play here. For as a real mother, you CANNOT recover from the almost loss of your child thsi soon that you will start advocating for those who caused harm to him. Jodha...will be Jodha. She is currently hopeless in judging people. Always advocating for wrong peoples. The argument that Shehnaz is child like is only valid to excuse her from getting severe punishment from Jalal. But that is no excuse for allowing her to stay. In logic, she stood there laughing while he hung for life. She is the threat, and the fact that all acknowledge her as having a mind of a child proves further that she is a great threat for she is incapable of proper logic. In this, Rukaiya was totally right to say she is a threat and need to be removed.

Come on, in any royal family the life of the ONLY heir is ABOVE everyone. Jalal failed as a king in that. He was too emotional weak in fear of losing Jodha that he made that deadly decision. To be loved, you cannot bribe the person you love. He cannot give Jodha all she wants so that she can love him. She has to love him for him. And Jodha is someone who can do that. There is no need to treat her as a fragile flower about to wither.

Regardling Maham. I think Jalal is being dumb to lose her as his advisor. But the truth is also that he is WAY TOO hurt to separate the personal from business. If he could, then he should retain her as the advisor, but not the mother. Because she is yet to fail as a minister. She only fell down from the pedestal of a Badi Ammi.

You also have to think, that she had saved him when no one, not even his own mother was there to save him. Without her and BK there is no Jalal. He knows that. That is why the hurt is unbearable. The question is not whether he should forgive her or not, for me. To me is, will he ever be able to get pas ' Did my badi ammi do this to me?'. I think its almost impossible.

Originally posted by: mandyg

folks, just finished watching the epi in the middle of the chores...i was thinking that jalal would stay put on his decision regarding shehnaaz but unfortunately he did what jodha begum wanted him to do..now where does the credibility of the emperor stands?..is he a good emperor or did he fail as an emperor is my question for today..and what was that with releasing zakeera who was involved in killing him..why was she released?..i could not connect to that part...can emotions overshadow practicality to such and extent that a capable king can take deadly decisions which can be be fatal in the future just to please his begum?

Originally posted by: AJSharma79

You know Mandy I cannot understand what is Jodha's Shehensha with a dil means. Jalal was not bad to start with, But now it appears he is moulding himself a little more to the pattern she is making. And one of it is this forgiving/forgiveness part.

She was handicapped hence you cannot punish her, but release her? What sense is this? He could say not to punish her in jail i.e. beating etc. But how can he release her? It seems like he is FORGIVING all. Soon Agra jail can be turned into petting zoo where Jodha begum can start collecting dark, dangerous, creepy, coniving, evil creatures that she likes to advocate for like Sharifuddin, Shenaz etc.

As a kind emperor, he can institute rehabiltation not complete abolition of law and punishment. If Zaakira can be so easily forgiven, then why was he so hard on those merchants in Agra? Double standard?

Originally posted by: shiningways2407

Our shehnshah has became TOTALLY VELLA/ROMEO/PUPPET. I m not liking this jalal at all n he simply irks me. what was the need of releasing zakira?? So according to him she was handicapped so he released her right? She was handicapped even at that time when Jalal was threatning zakira to kill her if she doesnt reveal about vish ka ark!! Srrry for me this was not justified at all. N whats this every time smiling like a romeo, even in public!! An emperor showing so much of emotions in public?? He came for distributing sweets but instead he is having romantic talks with her bugum, n the precap wallah!! Plz get inside ur bedroom to discuss those things. Srry but for me the precap was somewhat cheap!! N how can I forget shenu matter!d so he has simply taken U turn risking everyone. Bravo keep it up, Jalal has lost his senses for heartt!!