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Posted: 11 years ago
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Great episode Mansi and ur review is equally terrific! 👏👏👏
I have nothing to add. You have said it all.

What u aid abt MA's love for Jala - may be because she has no man/love in her life, so she may resent a woman/love in his life. You know the "I don't have it, how can he" type of people? Or because she has no man to lean on, she may have started viewing Jalal as that man. Maybe not when he was a child, but after he grew up. Maybe because of this kind of love, she was never able to directly harm Jalal and get the throne for AK.

But why did she hate Jodha from the beginning? Even when Jo hated Jalal? Did MA feel disgusted that she would have to bow to a Hindu, as she herself said in some early episodes? Or was she afraid of the interest Jalal was showing in the match and Jodha?

Definitely she made a great spectacle of herself last nite. I think the bit about wife vs mother and all those crocodile tears may also have been to emotionally blackmail him. She tried all tactics but to no avail. She who was so confident of her systematic training and brainwashing of Jalal, failed to read the signs. That he was now irrevocably in love with Jodha and would not tolerate anyone, ANYONE, coming between him and her. Well she learnt it the hard way. I'm sure like Ben, she will go with all guns blazing.

Now I"m waiting for Ruq to learn the same lesson - that Jalal can give anyone anything they ask for but not the place in his heart, which is exclusively Jodha's kingdom.

I believe today Shaguni Bai will tell Jodha to go back to Agra/Jalal, may be she will say something like he is in grave trouble and needs her.

A special tribute to Atga and JiJiAnga. 👏👏👏Though I have always bemoaned this man earlier, yesterday, he redeemed himself by daring to expose MA. And he was ably supported in this by his wife who not only explained MA's motives but also encouraged Atga to reveal the truth to Jalal at any cost. Their loyalty to Jalal is so touching when most people around him are traitors.

I couldn't watch poor Jalal after his confrontation with MA. I hope soon the traitors in his life are replaced with loyal people like Atga's family and the nine jewels, apart from Jo, HB and SB.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: aish321

Loggin in IF after a long time and just got to read your wonderful post Mansi, you weave such magic with words that takes us through the scenes in trance.Keep it up and god bless👏 .

Much awaited scene from MA and Jalal, it was worth watching every minute of it with the actors giving their splendid performance.

As for your thought on MA's love, i feel its the immense love for control over Jalal on every angle emotional , political etc which was threatened by his growing love for Jodha that was slowly bringing out king's good humane soul.

Wish all the worst chaals of MA get exposed and even other traitors too, yes Jalal will be heart broken but we all know "Jodha lep" will be there very soon with him to heal all worst wounds.


Yes I too have had enough of MUs and other upheavals. Now I want a smoother ride!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Sunny, it was juts a virtually single scene episode, and yet it was so powerful, as you say, that we felt exhausted after watching it. So many layers to Maham and her unhealthy Jalal obsession. We have to admit that very bad people are definitely as interesting as very good people ... maybe more so!


She is not obsessed with Jalal...she is obsessed with the "takht"...had it been anyone else on the takht, she would have shifted her attention towards him...

Maybe we can compare it to Bheeshma pitamah's promise to serve ANY king who sat on the Hastinapur throne...he had noble intentions in his promise, while Maham is all evil
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Great episode Mansi and ur review is equally terrific! 👏👏👏

I have nothing to add. You have said it all.

What u aid abt MA's love for Jala - may be because she has no man/love in her life, so she may resent a woman/love in his life. You know the "I don't have it, how can he" type of people? Or because she has no man to lean on, she may have started viewing Jalal as that man. Maybe not when he was a child, but after he grew up. Maybe because of this kind of love, she was never able to directly harm Jalal and get the throne for AK.

But why did she hate Jodha from the beginning? Even when Jo hated Jalal? Did MA feel disgusted that she would have to bow to a Hindu, as she herself said in some early episodes? Or was she afraid of the interest Jalal was showing in the match and Jodha?

Definitely she made a great spectacle of herself last nite. I think the bit about wife vs mother and all those crocodile tears may also have been to emotionally blackmail him. She tried all tactics but to no avail. She who was so confident of her systematic training and brainwashing of Jalal, failed to read the signs. That he was now irrevocably in love with Jodha and would not tolerate anyone, ANYONE, coming between him and her. Well she learnt it the hard way. I'm sure like Ben, she will go with all guns blazing.

Now I"m waiting for Ruq to learn the same lesson - that Jalal can give anyone anything they ask for but not the place in his heart, which is exclusively Jodha's kingdom.

I believe today Shaguni Bai will tell Jodha to go back to Agra/Jalal, may be she will say something like he is in grave trouble and needs her.

A special tribute to Atga and JiJiAnga. 👏👏👏Though I have always bemoaned this man earlier, yesterday, he redeemed himself by daring to expose MA. And he was ably supported in this by his wife who not only explained MA's motives but also encouraged Atga to reveal the truth to Jalal at any cost. Their loyalty to Jalal is so touching when most people around him are traitors.

I couldn't watch poor Jalal after his confrontation with MA. I hope soon the traitors in his life are replaced with loyal people like Atga's family and the nine jewels, apart from Jo, HB and SB.

You are right, and the reasons for hating Jodha even before the marriage itself happened is cause for thought. She resents anyone in his life close enough to him. Maybe as you say those who don't have love in their lives don't really like to see others have it, no matter how close to one that other person is, even one's own son!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Sunny, it was juts a virtually single scene episode, and yet it was so powerful, as you say, that we felt exhausted after watching it. So many layers to Maham and her unhealthy Jalal obsession. We have to admit that very bad people are definitely as interesting as very good people ... maybe more so!


i completely agree...it was indeed exhausting..wonder how much mentally tired the actors would have been after this scene

yes grey,black and its shade are interesting because society expects good people ,good behaviour,good deeds...only when they break this norm that they capture your attention and also your fascination...MA is indeed layered ...and it is a tale of a mere wet nurse who dared to dream big and as the days passed her dreams became her delusion in which she resided...and Jodha was that threat..if we remember she was the only one who noticed and knew that this is not a mere wedding or she is not another beghum from the day Jalal first mentioned her to his badi ammi...and given the shrewd woman she is ...she wanted to nip it before it blossomed into something that would shatter her own mirage...and she was the only one who saw he was falling for her...her need to hold him to her when she did not even allow his own mother to come between them...her justifications were not made up but was her reality ...and also the sadness of not giving her son whatever she gave jalal...she is entangled in her own roles ...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ---Khushi---


She is not obsessed with Jalal...she is obsessed with the "takht"...had it been anyone else on the takht, she would have shifted her attention towards him...

Maybe we can compare it to Bheeshma pitamah's promise to serve ANY king who sat on the Hastinapur throne...he had noble intentions in his promise, while Maham is all evil


khushi yes Jalal is synonym to takht for her...her whole life she spend nurturing an Emperor who by default became her son...hence i said he was stunned to hear what he heard...the son was eclipsed by the Emperor in her rant ...
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Posted: 11 years ago
#57
Awesome post as usual Mansi👏 I just love reading ur take everyday!!

As for the eisode i truely loved it! MA acted sensational, even though what all she said was not right and tried hard to make Jalaal feel guilty about it all by making herself seem like a victim here!
Loved how Jalaal went on with the interrogation fully prepared and thought out...he was ready with Dilawar as expected but the SPY being there was a big surprise for me...it means he actually thought about the whole thing beforehand after he called her in DWK !! The whole scene was just brilliantly executed and both Jalaal and MA acted exceptionally well👏
The only thing i missed was HB not present there, Jo was not in Agra but she was...anyway cant do anything about it now!!

About the precap
I think it wud have been better if instead of Ruqu, Jalaal had gone to HB and asked for forgiveness from her for behaving the way he did all these years. May b they will show this later, i wud love to c this. May b if he had gone to her she wud have mentioned about the surang issue as well!!
As for Jo i hope Shaguni Bai puts some sense into her and she comes to Agra asap.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ---Khushi---


She is not obsessed with Jalal...she is obsessed with the "takht"...had it been anyone else on the takht, she would have shifted her attention towards him...

Maybe we can compare it to Bheeshma pitamah's promise to serve ANY king who sat on the Hastinapur throne...he had noble intentions in his promise, while Maham is all evil




Exactly... her only ambition was power. ... and if MA truly loved Jalaal. ... then she never killed Jalaal's child. ... the true mother will never be jealous of her child's happiness. ... but she disliked Jodha frm the beginning. ... and also instigated Ruq for plotting against Jodha... she is EVIL...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Masni busy today but just cannot resist reading your post and trying to post a short reply.

I want to differentiate between Rajat and Ashwini - I may be minority of one who felt Rajat was FAR SUPERIOR to Ashwini yesterday. Maybe her character is made to do this but Ashwini has been shouting her dialogues and yesterday she was screaming and waving her hands around too much. I liked Rajat far far more - he achieves more just by an expression.

MA does not love anybody but herself and her worthless pathetic son.
If Jalal did not have a MA in his life there would have been somebody else. This is the truth, even with his parents away he was always a "born to be Shehenshah" and he would have got posse of servants. It is Jalal misfortune that HB did not see the real MA for the extreme egoistical and user of people MA is. Jalal did NOT NEED MA, even as young boy MA NEEDED HIM.

MA needed Jalal to feed her massive ego and self importance and her vicious greed for power. Jalal was just a means to end to her to what MA felt she deserved from her life. Her saying she was born bandi and he in royal family was dead giveaway at her ambitions even when Jalal was that age.

MA could have tried to harm Jalal before - that she did NOT was not because she loved Jalal but because she KNEW Adham was not capable. There was BK to deal with. MA just kept using Jalal and waiting for her opportunity to come where she can foist Adham and pull down Jalal. I do not buy this that MA EVER LOVED JALAL. She ONLY PRETENDED TO to keep her position and power intact.

MA is crass, egoistical and manipulative user of people and she deserved her son.

Jodha HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH turning MA! If this was so then MA would not have gone against BK and tried to drive him away from Jalal.

Jodha just came in the way of MA's plans of taking power away from Jalal - SHE WAS WAITING FOR SUCH A TIME TO GIVE IT TO ADHAM.

MA did not kill Jalal's unborn children due to Jodha, MA did not belittle and try to reduce Ruk's influence on Jalal due to Jodha. MA did not drive away BK from Jalal's life due to Jodha.

MA NEVER LOVED Jalal he was just a means to an end - her target was to get power and position for herself and her son - which she had started to believe she deserved - because Jalal gave her too much importance!

Jalal got brainwashed by MA more than BK and he believed everything she fed him. MA GOT ALL HER POWER FROM JALAL but she started to have delusion of her own worth thinking SHE IS THE ONE who made Jalal. She was just one of the servants of Jalal, an important one who was given power by Jalal's own mother.

MA saved young Jalal for simple reason if she had not - she would have lost all her power in life. She would have been reduced to serving as bandi to someone else.

Jalal NEVER needed MA - she always NEEDED JALAL. It is an irony that MA made Jalal think exactly the opposite.

MA just turned the situation where she was exposed before Jalal into another of her long long list of lies to tell him she did it cos as mother she felt threatened by Jodha. MA is a blot on word of mother and everything she spouted was a lie. MA felt this KIND OF LOGIC will work on Jalal so she used the mother angle - knowing Jalal really loves her like a mother.

I do not think Jalal has totally seen through her yet. He might have bought the line MA went against him ONLY due to Jodha. Jalal's eyes are yet to open fully about MA.

Ruk MC had nothing to do with Jodha - everything in making sure a "waris' is not born to Jalal so when she gets Jalal out of the way there will not be a power centre like young Jalal was.

MA using BK name was another of cheap tactic cos Jalal very well knows MA and Adham were suspected of killing BK. It was mentioned clearly as reason for Jalal marrying SB so he can keep Rahim and SB safe from
MA.

MA DOES NOT HAVE ANY LOVE FOR JALAL, nor she DID EVER. She just made him believe it so she can use him.

MA has only loved herself and her son. Jalal - MA HAS ALWAYS USED HIM ALL HIS LIFE.

BTW - yesterday Jodha clearly said NOW she loves Jalal more, but she is scared of another rejection from him.

I am glad about the spoiler about Jodha to come back. Jalal NEEDS Jodha by his side

To show MA - she DID NOT SUCCEED in driving Jodha away from his life.
- MA disgrace in DEK has to be seen by Jodha (hopefully) as a person who was most harmed by MA - after Jalal - Jodha deserves to be there
Jalal needs Jodha's support at this worst betrayal of his life
Jalal needs to know MA did not succeed and his LOVE for Jodha made her come back.

See how much I wrote wanting to write a short post!

I just want Jodha to come back and be by side of Jalal when MA truths start coming out.

Jodha and Jalal BOTH deserve to show MA that she FAILED ON ALL FRONTS.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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BOTH UR POST N YEST EPI WAS JUST FABULOUS 👏 👏
initially I was so happy that this week there's gonna be MA downfall for which all were eagerly waiting for a long time , but after yesterday episode I must say we're gonna miss ashwiniji's acting eventhough its evil ... 🥱 👏
wat a Fab acting in terms of both RT n Ashwiniji 👏 👏 , this was the main reason y EK opted them for this role !!!
story wise cv's showed a great step forward , n now jallu must know abt all the khadhars around him n banish them all , ofcourse I wanted MA herself opened all the saazishs she did for Jo infront of jalal but think he might know abt it on his own 😳
eagerly waiting for all the saazishs done by MA to get unfold , mainly MC one n dhakka paigham 😭
I agree with all ur views except of that " border " one , kyunki MA was more interested to improve her son status from mere subhedhar to king of Delhi 😡 but jalal Ko kehna chahiye tha ki BK Ko bhi tumne kathal kia , jski waje se mein SB Ko nicca Kia tha ...( that would been a full stop to her emotional blackmail 😡 )
I also feel really sad for jallu 😕 , poor Guy no one in his side console him ... I doubt whether ruqu can say something healing to his wounds , becoz she always worries for her audha of BEK 😡
hope for Jo should get some gud advises from shaguni n return back to agra on her own will 😭 ,not again that lessons of kartavya Aur vivash ( tired of hearing those words from Jo ) 😡

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