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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mansi one more thing -

I would have loved to see this

Instead of Jalal just saying he has to meet Jodha NOW and totter to water front, - even if he said that to Bharmal - I would have liked if they had shown self talk of Jalal. Jalal can talk with Jodha after she gets back right?!

Jalal knows the significance of seeing the person's image after floating of diya. Jalal had stood deliberately in such position last time so Jodha can see HIM in water as she floated the diya.

This time also if they had given Jalal self talk that I have to go there, I must make sure Jodha sees me when she floats her diya - I also need to see both of us together in water image as she floats the diya so she knows I am still her future and I also need to see this - would have been better.

Jodha did not know how injured Jalal is - when she saw him covered in the same shawl as she was in water image - it is clear he was there - she sees him standing by her side mostly covered in the shawl talking with her - HOW would she realize how injured he is?

After Bharmal told Jodha - Jalal was attacked by Abul Mali - she has seen him safe and not seen the extent of his injuries - it is ok if she did not appear absolutely worried - but she could have shown anger at Abul Mali - or she could have been given self talk - Shehenshah never listens to me - Thanks to Kanha nothing happened to him but see how careless he is?! Would have made her look better.

I agree it would have looked foolish to see her run to him and cry and hug etc.

Jodha is going to be TOTALLY ON GUARD NOW - not just against Jalal but also AGAINST HER PARENTS.

If she shows to them she is melting - she KNOWS they will start telling her to forgive him instantly and go back with him to Agra.

Bharmal and Mainavati do not YET KNOW WHAT ALL JALAL SAID TO HER - he explained but must have been from his POV, they do not know how broken she was at his words - ONLY JALAL KNOWS how much he hurt her.

So Jodha will have to be on guard and it will be full on war between her heart and her hurt and her mind and her forgiving nature.

Jalal will get full chance at wooing her and HE HAS TO DO LOT OF THAT.

JALAL PLEASE DO NOT GET WELL SOOON 😆
TAKE A LONG TIME - YOU NEED LOADS OF RECOVERY TIME AND TLC.

Mansi I wrote in reply to Radhika - speaking on your behalf but if they can give us 22 episodes in Amer - I am sure you will be ready to go and break 11 more coconuts to Ganapati 😆

Edited by MaddyO - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#62

Originally posted by: Donjas



The point I was trying to make was that no one should blame Paridhi or Jodha for the "no reaction" thing . There are things underneath the hood which should be taken into account.

Secondly, the allegations that the Times of India and others are making are libelous. Obviously the newspapers don't feel any threat of libel because they are confident of their sources. Whatever the case, we as watchers of the show should support our stars through thick and thin.



See this way - this director really needs some advice on PR!
Ii is HE who has come out looking totally unprofessional and egoistic in the interview.

If anything - he has made everybody see that ALL the silly accusations against Paridhi about her husband, in-laws, showing intimacy on screen, pregnancy - ALL were false.

Paridihi so far has not spoken a word against him - he is the one who is looking so foolish and arrogant here.

I just hope Ekta can sort all this out. We watch for our wonderful stars and would support ONLY them.

Loved Paridhi in the ME - RT and PS ARE THE JAAN OF JA - I am sure Ekta has got brains and guts to sort this out.

I am fed up about the controversies - wish Ekta now really gets into sorting stuff out.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: mdeshpande

Yet another lovely post Mansi, full of positivism. How do you do it??

Thankfully Jalal's in Amer, with such sensible and able In-laws to help him !!
Like every 1 else , am too disappointed with Jo not showing her reaction. There are somethings that you always expect from these characters, almost take for granted their reaction which we r used to,but when the opposite happens, it shocks us. The mind understands but the heart doesn't !!
Looking forward to the 'manao-fying" days ahead !!


i agree with u dear...!!
it shocked to me to see an insensitive jodha...though i know how much hurt she is from within...!!
if i would have been at her place.. i might have thrown him out of my room there and then...!!
but alas she is "jodha"...whom we have alwayz seen as an "extrememly caring personalty"..
as u rightly said: "we sometime take others reaction for granted."..and maybe that's why i was nt able to see her pain...!!...and expected her to nurse jalal there n then...!!
But yes , as a just read here... atleast a self talk would had covered are expection(hug here,would have been over the top)...atleast then we would have that she was still the same jodha from inside...and wAs just guarding herself from everyone...for nt being vulnarable again...!!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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It was a beautiful Sunday morning,Jalal was walking around aimlessly...he wanted to spend it with his khaas people but ruqaiyya was busy solving a tiff involving nadira beghum and the cook...badi ammi was busy digging a new tunnel from his room to some cave in jungle,she told him she had taken a mannat for his safety and hence the tunnel..he was so moved and touched...even now he had tears in his eyes thinking how much badi ammi loved him...awww ,even atgah saab was busy has he had decided to take his wife for a picnic and salima beghum was busy with rahim...so he was wondering what to do that he suddenly saw jodha..and then it hit him..but ofcourse..since it is a Sunday and i am free why not take this time and fall in love with Jodha...ohh yes what an absolute utilization of my time,he thinks...

and thus the love story began...he fell in love coz he wanted to and he still loves her coz this is what he wants to do in free time and ofcourse jodha has no contribution in his falling for her...coz how can any sane man fall for such inhuman,selfish,arrogant ,insensitive girl like jodha


Mansi yaar how can anyone defend Jodha..did you see the way she was standing yesterday..on her two legs with hands on her side and a head on her shoulders...it clearly shows she absolutely does not have any feelings for Jalal but did you see how he was standing ,it only spoke of love..goshh heartless girl!!!...also the tears earlier she shed..compare it with Jalal's tears or for that matter MA ka or ruqaiyya ka tear...you will see hers does not even fall off her cheek whereas when others cry it soaks their dupatta and jama...true love is what the other two feel for him...if you do not believe me see the next time she cries...

ofcourse Jalal unleashed at Jo ,had every right to be mad at her and then when he realized his mistake he repented wanting to apologize...but Jodha how dare she takes so much time for realizing...how dare she gets hurt,she committed a grave mistake hence no right at all to get hurt..how dare she walks out after being told to and how dare she does not fall on his feet the moment he apologized...how dare she makes this mighty Emperor into a lover boy and how dare she does not every second of the day prove to us her superficial love...chiii

and her parents ..gosh what amazing in laws does Jalal have...they can see through his pain ,his hurt ,his love ..wow

and thier own daughter ..what is the need to ask her even once what happened to her ,why is she so hurt ,...what is the need to offer her a shoulder to cry out her heart ...but where does she have a heart or emotions na that her own parents can see things beyond the so called ego as termed

and i hate Jalal for still loving this woman,i hate him even more coz he is the only one who understands her at present and i detest him for trying to pacify her ,and i loathe him for crying in her separation ,wanting to meet her and hook or crook wanting to win back her love...chiii does this woman deserve it ???chiii

if he is half the man we saw in the initial episode..he will walk out and away from the one woman who stood against the world and even him to save his life,who gave her life for him ,who found his heart for her ,who made him fall in love,who made him understand love and who made him realize he is not alone ,a girl who hated him but was the most loyal to him ,who respected every relation dear to him and stood by those too...yes he should walk out and why you ask??? because she dared walk out on him and inspite of his apology refuses to relent...enough for him to dump her and walk away i say...

and who cares if he cannot survive without her ,cannot ever not love her ,will suffer throughout..but since she is not PERFECT.. she does not deserve his love coz he is PERFECTION...

i tell you mansi...if you do not believe me...remove their hearts and measure on that tarazuu..you ill see that Jodha's shallow heart will not move the balance an inch but Jalal's will be so weighed by his love that it will pierce the ground and go beyond

and i can keep on stating reason after reason ,but hope you get the gist...there is nothing to sympathize with her or feel for her...she errs ,she is flawed..enough to be unworthy of any love or feelings...

PS: not a feminist but a humanist...if i could never ignore Jalal's pain ,hurt inspite of his flaws and mistakes...i cannot measure jodha with a different yardstick just because she does not scream,shout or voice her pain ,hurt or heartbreak and makes mistakes

a relationship is between two very different and flawed people who spend their life trying to achieve perfection and understanding

age and experience makes one wise...both of them are naive and young and entitled to their own flaws and mistakes...but we are not flawless enough to crucify or judge them ...

see her as a human not by your standards but just as a human




Edited by sun29 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: MaddyO

Mansi one more thing -

I would have loved to see this

Instead of Jalal just saying he has to meet Jodha NOW and totter to water front, - even if he said that to Bharmal - I would have liked if they had shown self talk of Jalal. Jalal can talk with Jodha after she gets back right?!



Jalal knows the significance of seeing the person's image after floating of diya. Jalal had stood deliberately in such position last time so Jodha can see HIM in water as she floated the diya.

This time also if they had given Jalal self talk that I have to go there, I must make sure Jodha sees me when she floats her diya - I also need to see both of us together in water image as she floats the diya so she knows I am still her future and I also need to see this - would have been better.
OMG...right. This would have been wonderful

Jodha did not know how injured Jalal is - when she saw him covered in the same shawl as she was in water image - it is clear he was there - she sees him standing by her side mostly covered in the shawl talking with her - HOW would she realize how injured he is?

After Bharmal told Jodha - Jalal was attacked by Abul Mali - she has seen him safe and not seen the extent of his injuries - it is ok if she did not appear absolutely worried - but she could have shown anger at Abul Mali - or she could have been given self talk - Shehenshah never listens to me - Thanks to Kanha nothing happened to him but see how careless he is?! Would have made her look better.
I agree. this would have been so much better.

I agree it would have looked foolish to see her run to him and cry and hug etc.

Right... that would be 😲 shocking

Jodha is going to be TOTALLY ON GUARD NOW - not just against Jalal but also AGAINST HER PARENTS.

If she shows to them she is melting - she KNOWS they will start telling her to forgive him instantly and go back with him to Agra.

Bharmal and Mainavati do not YET KNOW WHAT ALL JALAL SAID TO HER - he explained but must have been from his POV, they do not know how broken she was at his words - ONLY JALAL KNOWS how much he hurt her.

So Jodha will have to be on guard and it will be full on war between her heart and her hurt and her mind and her forgiving nature.

Jalal will get full chance at wooing her and HE HAS TO DO LOT OF THAT.

JALAL PLEASE DO NOT GET WELL SOOON 😆
TAKE A LONG TIME - YOU NEED LOADS OF RECOVERY TIME AND TLC.

Mansi I wrote in reply to Radhika - speaking on your behalf but if they can give us 22 episodes in Amer - I am sure you will be ready to go and break 11 more coconuts to Ganapati 😆

one coconut per episode

I so agree with your whole post. No one was expecting Jo to jump onto Jalal with hugs and kisses or even be remotely civil.
But her shock/reaction at mention of Abul Mali's name was a very natural expectation. It has hugely disappointed me. And this is the first time I am disappointed with Jo. Now nothing she does will win me over completely!😭
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12


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You are so cheerful today that I am feeling very happy for you!😛



Aww thank u Mansi 😳
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: nini06

REALLY nice annalysis...!!!
and u must have broken the coconut after the episode...😆😆

yup , bharmal bringing back jalal was a nice idea which didn't striked our brains at all..!!...i guess cv's wanted to pursue todamal as a separate track...(ekta <3 es runnng her shows for yrs n yrs n yrs...😆)

Ps. .. but yesterday for the very first tym i found an insensitive jodha...which i had never seen bfore..!!
(as bharmal rightly said even i was thinking at same lines then...that she was the one who even prepared lep for benazir)...i thought she was't able to see his wounds... due to the shawl... !!
bt as soon as sees his wound...puting all her anger and self respect aside she would nurse him immediately...alas she knew about his wound...and jo did put me down for the very first tym...!!
i really felt bad since i adore jo alot...till now i havn't seen her wrong...!!!


Arre, I broke not one but eleven coconuts! Yes Jodha looked insensitive but at least we can be sure she is trying to be deliberately mean. She herself is very confused, seeing brahms and not knowing what to believe.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: MaddyO

Mansi - absolutely wonderful post. You know how much eagerly I was waiting to read your take and episode through your eyes.

I read many posts here giving Jodha's POV about yesterday's episode. I thank wonderful writers like you, Radhika, Diksha, Bhavana, Sun, Kshithi (btw her laptop is under repairs so maybe she won't be able to make her usual long wonderful posts) and not go forget Abhay and many many others - who made me feel lot better about episode.

This is what I REMINDED MYSELF
Jalal accused Jodha on EMA, he broke off ALL relations with her, he basically ended their marriage, he threw her out of her home (which she had just started to feel comfortable in) in the dead of the night.

I am NOT ACCUSING JALAL OR PUTTING BLAME HERE - all I am doing is RE-THINKING TO MYSELF - so that I can put Jodha's hurt again in better perspective.

Sun wrote wonderfully on Ela's thread yesterday. Jalal took 2 MONTHS to get over the dhakka insult and Jodha had to drink poison for it! Still HE has still not got over the dhakka - he kept mentioning it to Jodha still but more in questioning or teasing manner than in hurt. So even after Jodha drank poison can Jalal NOT forget the dhakka - HOW CAN WE EXPECT Jodha to forget WORSE INSULTS AND HUMILIATIONS AFTER ONE SORRY?!

Again I am NOT WRITING AGAINST JALAL - I am REMINDING MYSELF of Jodha's hurt.

WE HAVE SEEN Jalal's repentance, Jodha has not see what all he went through.

Also see from Jodha POV - she was alone in Mathura among strangers and had to pretend and hide her pain from everybody. So she was kind of brushing it off somewhere not even being able to let it out TOTALLY.

Jalal got her to do that in Mathura and esp after the fake death prank. So Jodha got to pour out her hurt to him.

Someone wrote wonderfully yesterday - till yesterday Jodha was remembering Jalal's words in flashback - now she is remembering his APOLOGY.

Also Jodha would have expected to FINALLY be free to let out all her feelings in the safety of Amer - where nobody will judge her - where she expects some TLC and taking of her side from her parents. WHO else can she think of to do that?

So it was a BIG SHOCK to her to see Jalal there. Her parents taking his side would make her feel she has not got a chance to even talk to them about all her hurts yet. So her reaction is not from ego but TOTAL CONFUSION and fatigue also. Jodha and Jalal both are fatigued in mind. Yesterday Jalal got a chance to start feeling positive again about winning Jodha over. Jodha has STILL NOT GOT A SINGLE POSITIVE THOUGTH in HER mind. She needs to start thinking that first!

Maddy what a lovely post! You have methodically and systematically unravelled Jodha's frame of mind and you are 100% right, poor Jodha still has not got to the positive thoughts stage. If anything I don't think she has any more negative thoughts either. She is that void after negatives have left but positives have not yet come into her mind. So she is disjointed and feeling vague and spaced out and not really using her mind to answer well or register what is being told to her. That accounts for why she looked "blank" even to hear that Abul mali has attacked. She is disoriented but not deliberate!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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beautiful take Mansi...Just one doubt...y jalal was scared and nervous in the precap...he was the one always goes close to jo and makes her nervous and scares her...par aaj kya hogaya jalal ko...itna nervous kyun hai
Edited by Gem12 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Donjas



The point I was trying to make was that no one should blame Paridhi or Jodha for the "no reaction" thing . There are things underneath the hood which should be taken into account.

Secondly, the allegations that the Times of India and others are making are libelous. Obviously the newspapers don't feel any threat of libel because they are confident of their sources. Whatever the case, we as watchers of the show should support our stars through thick and thin.

I have been watching serials for nearly ten years and seen all manner of gossip and libellous news from even the biggest of the media. So I am very blase about all this and don't give it a second thought. It just doesn't bother me and in any case Ekta is there to make sure that her actors are OK and the director is within his limits! No sweat!
Edited by skanda12 - 11 years ago

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