Jodha Akbar 214: The meltdown- Part 1:Mod note pg58 - Page 90

Originally posted by: Star_girl

Not to rain on your parade or anything, but people, Amer track is coming. 😆 I am about 200 percent sure. 😆

Originally posted by: knumnum

Sandy and Adi,

In the pic, Maan singh was also present, isn't it? But maan singh is in Agra. Wat ll he be dng in Amer? So I think as adia said, its just a pic after shoot with everyone doing masti😃

Well I think Jalal will go to Amer and ask Jodha to come with him for the last time but she will refuse and then what I want is for Jalal to leave for Agra, wishing Jodha a lifetime happiness and telling her that Agra is always ready to welcome her. After that the serial can go the movie way where Jodha comes back on her own.

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

The attack has to come and Jodha may hear the news and think that he is deliberately spreading the news as he did now...hence the death feigning idea this time...and refuse to go initially...later hear the confirmation and may gallop her way non-stop to Agra and save him with her non-branded expert lep. Reverse Astral soul talk and then Jalal gets better and Milan.

In the process the credit for being the inspiration for Jalal's non-stop gallop to stop Sati may also go to Jodha!

Sandhya, no more Astral duniya talks, when both have told each other that they are in love (i m not sure about Jodha though, nor will I be in her soul talk either), why more of, I bring you back from death, you bring me back from my death, and then "aur kiski baari"? Too much of death drama and Jodha doesn't have to be the reason to save Jalal everytime from enemies, we want love story, not some aatma ki kahani.

Originally posted by: lashy

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I also don't want any astral talks again where we are guessing who said what, who dreamt what, who knows what

Originally posted by: divyavm

I also don't want any astral talks again where we are guessing who said what, who dreamt what, who knows what

n then people will call zee n they will say '' avi to bas jodha k soul me bhavnaaye utpan hui hai, avi jodha k mann me bhavnaaye jagna baaki hai , confession me avi time hai '' 🤣

My dear Jeannie,

I would second your request very strongly, and in any case, I am pasting below my almost equally long response on your thread.

Shyamala Aunty

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PS: Curiously enough, in the repeat telecast of the mahaepisode on Zee this afternoon, they pruned it drastically to just 21 minutes, and cut out all of Jodha Begum's monologue, except the mini-dhakkas and the kuch apradhon ke liye har dand chota hota hai aur kuch paapon ke liye har prayschchit chota line. All the rest of the nari sammaan part was knocked out (as was the 400 m dash to the lake and much else, like the teekha khana bloomer). As a result, it was vastly improved! But still, I wondered about such summary treatment; why would they have done that?

My dear Jeannie,

Now vanity has never been one of my failings - and I laugh at myself all the time - but still, it is very, very rarely that I read something and wish I had written it myself. This, my dear, is one of those occasions. Except after going thru your magisterial and densely argued post, which would have done a top flight lawyer proud, I also felt that it was better this way, for I could not have done it as well myself.

I have used the lawyer parallel for the pitiless logic that you have deployed to nail every piece of sophistry in Jodha's Rajvanshi nari sammaan speech, which really left me speechless.

You have highlighted every uncomfortable fact that she has fudged, every outright fib like pati ki puja karte hain, as if she had been at this patipuja since day 1 of her wedded life, and above all the relentlessly self-centred, self-righteous and harshly censorious nature of the whole tirade.

But there is also the parallel of the surgeon that applies, and so well. You have dissected Jodha with a surgeon's scalpel, and cut right down to the bone to expose every inner weakness that is paraded as a virtue, every negative trait that masquerades as a positive one, while her really warm and lovable qualities seem to have been lost somewhere along the way.

And above all her utter lack of compassion towards the husband who bends further to appease her that any man would even in 2014, not to speak of a 16th century emperor, and who is clearly at the end of his emotional tether and even his physical strength.

The Jodha we saw on Friday is a cruel woman, who cares for nothing but her ego,and who does not even know the first thing about love. To hear her claim that she now has bahut prem for Jalal is the worst joke of them all.

As my favourite reader of hearts here, Vicki (MoronsKiMallika) wrote some time back, in love, there can be no ego. Jalal is in love, for he has no ego any more where she is concerned and he is willing to go to hell and back to get her.

But the mahaepisode made it amply clear that Jodha Begum is NOT in love with Jalal, not now, and perhaps will never be, whatever the CVs might claim. For all that she seems to remember last night was her hurt pride and her aatmasammaan, not the agony he is going through. This is not my idea of love.

The worst of all was the ugly vindictiveness of her kuch apradhon ke liye har dand chota hota hai aur kuch paapon ke liye har prayschchit chota. Jodha is by now clearly convinced that she is God, and has the moral right to hand down such pronouncements with total, harsh conviction. Even a saint would hesitate before saying any such thing, for there is NO sin for which there cannot be a prayaschit. But not our paragon from Amer.

One is left hoping, though I am not vindictive by nature, that something really very bad happens to her, and soon, so that she learns her lesson the hard way. I cannot at the moment think of any credible scenario, and even if I could, it is hardly going to materialise!

As for her harassing Kanha later, she seems to have forgotten all that she confessed to her antaraatma, about the role played by her stubborn silence in precipitating Jalal's furious jealousy and all that followed. Now she is one up on her cheerleader Ammijaan in leaving Jalal to shoulder all the blame for everything that happened.

It all boils down to what I have said all along: Jalal will always be the lover and Jodha the beloved. She will never, even at the very end when all is sorted out and is sweetness and light, be capable to his kind of deewaangee; she is no Laila or Juliet. I hope Jalal understands this, for otherwise he is in for a major disappointment.

But then the person who is most to blame for the way she behaves is Jalal, for it is he who has lauded her to the skies time and again, adopted and implemented every suggestion of hers, and of late, treated her like a piece of precious Dresden china, till the Sujamal fiasco. In short, he spoiled her rotten, and the way she treats him now, for an error of judgment for which she was as much responsible as he was, is a direct result of that. Hamida Banu to Hamida Banu, Jalal was one up on his Ammijaan in pampering his Jodha Begum, whose name he takes at least twice in every sentence he utters!

And now that he has realised that he is in love with her, there seem to be no depths to which he will not abase himself to placate her. He has begun disregarding all the logical things he had said in his soliloquy to Jodha's portrait, and is now accepting every accusation Hamida and Jodha have made against him 111%, if not more.

In short he is asking for all that he gets. And he gets it in spades, and then hangs around, looking for all the world like a schoolboy who has just been caned!

For Heaven's sake, he is the Shahenshah-e-Hind, not some roadside Majnun, who can tear his clothes and run around shouting Jodha Begum, Jodha Begum! What sort of emperor is this, who neglects his kingdom and his people for the sake of one woman, no matter how much he loves her? What if there was an attack on Agra while he is running after this wife of his?

If he now intends to go (despite Jodha's specific ban on his tagging along) after her all the way to Amer, he had better abdicate first. After all, it is not as though he attaches too much importance to his heritage and his calling; he was ready enough to abdicate just to keep his word to Jodha, something that shocked me, being a blatant betrayal of his rajadharma.

In our great epics, the Ramayana and the Mahabharata, the cardinal duty of a king is said to be to his people, and all other relationships and their demands come only after that. But here, for Jalal, it is the very opposite. His awaam comes a very distant second after Jodha Begum, and if Agra were to be attacked and seized while he is away trailing her, why, what does it matter?

Jalal may now be the perfect lover according to Rumi, Kahlil Gibran, Omar Khayyam and all the other icons of the genre, but he is but a hollow shell of an emperor.

The mahaepisode was deplorable - there seems to be some sort of rule that a mahaepisode in Jodha Akbar has to be even worse than the regular tripe they dish out. The acting , bar a few shots of Jalal, especially in the very end before the precap, was such standard issue soap stuff as to be both pedestrian and apathetic. if I see any more of Jalal's grieving, desperate face, I shall start climbing the nearest wall. Has the Shahenshah never heard of dignified sadness and regret?

Jodha was like every other soap heroine in full flow, the naari sammaan bhashan being delivered with the same angry tone throughout. There were no nuances, no indication of a clash between her heart and her mind, no underlay of a deep love for Jalal that she cannot deny. Nothing. Only a sullen resentment that spills out all over, which seems to be rooted solely in her ego.And a new speech full of both suppressio veri &v suggestio falsi -when did she worship her pati? - with Jalal looking as if he has to learn it by heart for an exam he is to take.

It is not the fault of the actress, who can do much, much better, and has done so in the past. Nor of Rajat, who can be superlative without even trying. They have both been badly shackled and shortchanged by the faulty characterisation and the abysmal script.

But the ones who have been shortchanged the most are the likes of us. You and me and many others, who want a feisty, intelligent, non-sanctimonious, smoothly self-assertive, and above all perceptive and compassionate Jodha, who would be all this and feminine too. I loved her Kajri avatar, who was bidding fair to be all of this, but alas, she was too good to be true, and has disappeared like a will o' the wisp!

Once again, Jeannie, my warmest compliments on an outstanding piece of analysis. That you have to preface it with this kind of disclaimer says a lot about the forum as it is today, far more than about you.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: JeannieJA

Aunty and all, kindly please have a look at my post dedicated to Jodha's "diabetic" monologue in yesterday's episide 😆

title of the post :

Jodha's Monologue: Ego wins over love

Thank u 🤗

Shyamala Akka good to see you here. I decided to try the maha episode and as somebody who claims to know Jodha, I'm a bit confused myself. ... so I conclude that she is confused. I wouldn't call her cruel.