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Originally posted by: history_geek

Yes...
This is an exquisite piece of CV's GU.😕

OR

I feel Jodha wanted to say -->> "Ham nahi samjhe ki Sujamal bhaisa ne hamse Vachan kyu liya." Perhaps she meant that, --> "Sujamal bhaisa ne hamse Vachan nahi liya hota to accha hota. Tab hum Shahenshah ko bata dete.".

Same as Jalal's case..He says something BUT means something else.😉

Originally posted by: history_geek

Yes...
This is an exquisite piece of CV's GU.😕

OR

I feel Jodha wanted to say -->> "Ham nahi samjhe ki Sujamal bhaisa ne hamse Vachan kyu liya." Perhaps she meant that, --> "Sujamal bhaisa ne hamse Vachan nahi liya hota to accha hota. Tab hum Shahenshah ko bata dete.".

Same as Jalal's case..He says something BUT means something else.😉

Originally posted by: happygolucky099

u r right abhay😆

wat about hoshiyar???🤣

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Abhay:

I was thinking about your views on Jalal's zubaan vs Jodha's vachans. Jalal had given the 2 zubaan to Jodha as her rights and he respected these rights even at the cost of his throne. Even in the body heat track, it was not a question of risking her life. It was a question of respecting her choice when she was not well enough to take a decision. Like u mentioned, under those adverse circumstances, he took an alternative decision whereby he could save her life and respect her choice too.

Jodha knew about these and she was very happy he had kept them in both cases.

Here Jodha has given her vachan to someone else and Jalal does not know about her vachan. So while she has a right to keep her word, he does not know that she is lying to him for this purpose. If she had hinted to him, he may have reacted differently. I am sure he loves and trusts her enough to support her in staying true to her vachan. The babu case is a point. She gave her word to the child she would find his mother and Jalal supported that when he came to know of it.

Radhika,

I am exhausted writing about Vachans. Another time i am writing.😆😕

My comparison was in a different context. Both the settings were different.
Jalal had given the Zubaan.

Now one can see this from another frame. that -> His words are bigger than ANYTHING.
Jalal himself said that -"Shahenshah Ki Zubaan se Bada kuch Nahi Hota. Zubaan - Zubaan hoti hai...Zubaan Din ya Raat nahi Dekhti Hai...Use nibhaaya hi jaata hai..".

Also he said that --> "Inke Mazhab ka badalna matlab hamari Zubaan ka paltana.".


So, if we go by the words which Jalal himself said then, it is clear that there Jalal was MORE interested in keeping his promise rather then her rights...I am concluding this by the words which Jalal said that time...


Yes, consideration of rights was also there in that case BUT he was speaking more in context of keeping his words..That time he was behaving as a PERFECT statesman..!!!!!!...So, i feel more than rights it was about keeping his own words.


The situation was different. Though, his words+Jodha's rights, both were cared for in that act. But wasn't that a BIG RISK.??...I mean anything could have happened. There was NO assurance that she would be alive or NOT...Such a big risk was taken...Destiny was very much responsible in that case..


Yes, Jodha was happy..But when..???...She became happy ONLY When after few days jalal told her the truth that he kept that Zubaan.😉.Till then she was very upset and felt betrayed.! (Same is case with Jalal now.!.)Another point here is that Jalal knew that Jodha is upset STILL he went for mindgames. BUT, Here Jodha does NOT know about what Jalal is thinking(though she MAY be suspecting.We will get to know today..).!.

The point is, in that situation the solution was available quite early.
Also, Jalal knew that Jodha is quite devastated due to that "supposed" incident. But he still decided to play games😉 and finally told her the truth, but LATE.Till then you know about her ordeal..!!!...😕


The point is/was following the Vachan/Zubaan in both cases.

For present case.

1. As far as hinting is concerned, she tried to speak up after the Aarti scene but Jalal left after mentioning Sujamal's name.
2. Second time, she came to him after leaving harem, that time also Jalal was angry and left before any major convo could began. There he gave the reason as you lied about the reason of leaving harem. And he left.
3. Before this also She knew that Sujamal is a traitor from Jalal's POV. And Jalal was quite angry when she tried to convince him about his innocence that he can not do peeche se waar, etc...
4. She decided initially to tell Jalal initially but Moti😡😕, did the blunder.

Finally, i see this as a case where she was initially fearing that Jalal will be angry, if she tells Jalal about Sujamal(thanx to Moti). And when she wanted to tell, by that time, the Vachan was there to stop her. So, here situations acted against her. Atleast you need a conducive and peaceful environment to explain your POV, and in this case she was in a conflicting state of mind.


Regarding Babu. Babu and Sujamal's case can not be compared.
I have explained how situations are different here.
Sujamal's case evoked fear in Jodha, first by Moti. And later further shackled her by Vachan.


PS -
I want this track to end early. I am going to pray now for this.. I am exhausted..😕
Is it so difficult to explain.?.😉. Wrote this many times..

Originally posted by: AntaresVega

Hoshiyaar kya? Mein nahin samjhi.

Originally posted by: happygolucky099

i asked abhay about historical accuracy of hoshiyar😛

Nice take Mansi 👏👏👏 .. Monday was more of a filler and CVs once again used their age old formula of showing similarities between Jalal's love life and that bandhi's love life so that he can relate to the whole thing and starts venting out his frustration faster 😆

Actually there was no need to bring that guy's love life issue to compare both situations ... In that guy's case he was in love with this girl and wanted to marry her over his friend but now he feels betrayed and wants to go back to her friend ... But in Jalal's case both friend Ruqaiyya and future love Jodha r already married to Jalal only 😳😆 and also Jalal and Jodha r yet to confess their love , so the question of Jodha cheating on Jalal dont really arise .. 🤔... Jalal can feel betrayed that Jodha is hiding something from him despite all the trust he has put in her but the question of cheating cannot really arise when love confession itself dint happen and they r not yet living like husband-wife either ..so I will call it more of a time waste episode with that silly comparison

Anyways the stage is now set for the big confrontation between both with Jalal finally raising up the question to Jodha today ... I guess Jodha will remain quiet and will b almost shocked seeing Jalal doubting her character and she might silently leave from there followed by jungle track 🤔...

And will Sujamal enter the Haveli in disguise of a bandhi or khawaja shera types to catch the real culprit 🤔 .. Then he might sacrifice his life to save Jalal and before dieing he might also tell about Jodha's innocence after which Jalal might go in search of Jodha in the jungle 🤔...


I wonder if Shariff will get caught and this might turn bakshi bano negative against Jodha ... we can already see she gets a bit turned off hearing Jodha's name off late since she knows Shariff lusts for Jodha ...

I dont see Maham getting caught since the way she brainwashed Jalal , she can easily say just like him , she too thought Jodha is meeting someone else plus she even told Jalal that even if Jodha is meeting Sujamal , still its rule breaking only ... so Maham will go scotfree again

Overall a filler episode .. waiting for tonight ... 😃

Originally posted by: happygolucky099

u r right abhay😆

wat about hoshiyar???🤣

Neena,

You are still stuck up with Hoshiyar..!!!!...Rofl...

The moment i reply to you ..This question is bound to come...

I found 2 person's names who are said to be Ruqayya's servants..The names are doubtful..
Perhaps both the names are referring to one only..

Yes...But one thing is sure someone like Hoshiyar was there..

@Jyo,

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