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Posted: 11 years ago
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Will wait for your post😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: latanzia

What a beautiful post, but according to nature things evolve and change, from a worm to a butterfly likewise the leaf need to evolved and adapt to the changes around or it will whither and die.

Ruku needs to realise that she is no longer jalal chief queen they are two more, instead of fighting for position she needs to change and adapt to the new situation and she will be happy.

Thank you. As you sayone needs to evalve and change and no evalution is sudden. It takes time and support. Now Ruqu needs the support of Jalal to change. He needs to help her change rather than stay away and expect her to change on her own, if he really care for his childhood friend and her well being.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ashpat

Insightful and well-written post.

Thank you for reading😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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What a similey..I am impressed...This is too good..Hats off to you to come up with such a thought..
Just one point..I do not consider Ruks as a left that sheltered Jalal and gave life for it. Rather, Ruks is like another worm that gave companionshion to Jalal when he was lonely and vice verca...
I think here the case is you want to get what you don't have..Jalal always had ruks, has ruks, and in his opinion will continue to have ruks..Whereas Jodha was never his..You want to get what you don't have. To get Jodha, he married her, but still was not able to have her completely. Now, he wants to have her love.
This is the irony of that period. Jalal can have as many begums as he wants, but for those begums, Jalal is the only one. So there is no competition for him...Its only begums who will have to compete for him :-(
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Brilliant Jaya,👏 our forum people should try in tv shows now, and we have wonderful talents here 😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: akdha

Brilliant Jaya,👏 our forum people should try in tv shows now, and we have wonderful talents here 😃

Thank you chitra for reading and even liking the post 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Dear Butterfly,
You are so caught up between your love of the leaf and the bud that you have forgotten that you are a separate person in your own right. Every one of us is born on this Earth with a destiny to fulfill. In getting caught with the destinies of the leaf and the bud you have forgotten that you have your own destiny to fulfill apart from your intermingling with the leaf or the bud.
Remember ... if you look at yourself in the mirror you don't see the caterpillar you once were which was the friend of the leaf. Now your destiny has changed you from a caterpillar to a cocoon which you then tore apart and emerged as a butterfly. You had to tear apart the cocoon yourself when the right time came and though it was painful that growth was necessary for you could not have remained a caterpillar all your life, staying close to the leaf that gave you nourishment. In those days you could not fly. You did not have a duty to sit on flowers and distribute pollen between them to make the enire plant's destiny fulfilled. Now that you've torn your cocoon and become a butterfly, you have a bigger role. The leaf cannot help you any more to fulfill that bigger role. That is why you are attracted to the bud in the first place, because it is the future calling.
Your conflict is that you are trapped between the friendships you had and the friendships you want to have ... but you have forgotten that you personally owe a bigger role to the very plant as a whole and to the new you that you have become.
The issue arises because you feel somehow guilty for having become a butterfly and having to leave the leaf behind in the attraction for the bud. But thereshould be no guilt for it is Nature at work and not you. You are not the author of your life. A Greater Hand above us all is the author of every life.
The leaf may feel bad for a while and try to keep you to itself. But ask yourself, is the leaf really the jealous one - or is it you that is reluctant to grow up? Is the bud that is attracting you - or part of you that wants to grow up and fulfill the destiny for which you were born. Don't cast blame on old and new friends because of your own unreadiness to grow up.
For a while just forget who else was or is with you in this journey - leaf or even bud - and just think of yourself, your role so far and your greater role in life now as a Butterfly. You owe it to the Greater Destiny to find yourself first. After you have found out where your past is and where your future lies, find the courage to part with the past and embrace the future. Remembber the destiny of the leaf in furthering your life has been completed. The destiny of the bud in taking forward your life is incomplete.
If everything in this Universe is ruled by Destiny, then we have the first responsibility to fulfill the roles given to us, before we wonder if those who already fulfilled their roles want to hang on to us, or those who are yet to fiulfil their roles are reluctant to be with us. Let Destiny itself heal the ones that need healing becuase they are gone into the past ... and let Destiny itself blossom the one that are ready to blossom.
A wise person once said that "People and things in the Universe only have conflict when they think they are God. They think they have to solve the problems of others, and in the process forget that they too are only playing a role they have to fulfill".
So don't forget to play your own destined role just because you feel you have to play God to the leaf and the bud. Let Nature and God do her work of healing some and blooming some, and let Nature and God take you where you have to go.
Be a part of Nature, but don't get conflicted forgetting that you too have a role and that role is not to try and play God for others!



Deejagi and Mansi 👏👏👏👏👏👏
What super insightful writers you both are.

The forum is on fire since yesterday with absolutely fabulous writing and you two crowned it.

I love your answer Mansi.

Deegaji - I do not agree that Rukayya was a nourishing leaf!
If anything she is the taker in this relationship, Jalal has indulged and pampered her too much so she has got this bloated ego

I was watching some old episodes yesterday, there is announcement Jalal has come back to Agra, all other Begums want to meet him and Ho asks Ruk - she say NO LET HIM COME TO ME! BTW this is 16th century woman!

That has been always her attitude she wants to be the Alpha in this relationship. So she loved to say I control his head. Now Jalal has found his heart and it is ruling his head and she wants to take control of both
- by plotting and manipulating her way to it!


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Very nicely put.

Just one thing i would like to mention here. I feel that the leaf didn't protect the butterfly but it may be the other way round.
The rosebud has 'established' and cemented its position in front of the butterfly and flourished in adverse climate ALSO.!.
It high time for the leaf to realize that this is a symbiotic relationship. Because if the leaf does not realizes this then it will find itself in NO MAN'S LAND very soon..!..

Wonderful writing... 👏
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Dear Butterfly,
You are so caught up between your love of the leaf and the bud that you have forgotten that you are a separate person in your own right. Every one of us is born on this Earth with a destiny to fulfill. In getting caught with the destinies of the leaf and the bud you have forgotten that you have your own destiny to fulfill apart from your intermingling with the leaf or the bud.
Remember ... if you look at yourself in the mirror you don't see the caterpillar you once were which was the friend of the leaf. Now your destiny has changed you from a caterpillar to a cocoon which you then tore apart and emerged as a butterfly. You had to tear apart the cocoon yourself when the right time came and though it was painful that growth was necessary for you could not have remained a caterpillar all your life, staying close to the leaf that gave you nourishment. In those days you could not fly. You did not have a duty to sit on flowers and distribute pollen between them to make the enire plant's destiny fulfilled. Now that you've torn your cocoon and become a butterfly, you have a bigger role. The leaf cannot help you any more to fulfill that bigger role. That is why you are attracted to the bud in the first place, because it is the future calling.
Your conflict is that you are trapped between the friendships you had and the friendships you want to have ... but you have forgotten that you personally owe a bigger role to the very plant as a whole and to the new you that you have become.
The issue arises because you feel somehow guilty for having become a butterfly and having to leave the leaf behind in the attraction for the bud. But thereshould be no guilt for it is Nature at work and not you. You are not the author of your life. A Greater Hand above us all is the author of every life.
The leaf may feel bad for a while and try to keep you to itself. But ask yourself, is the leaf really the jealous one - or is it you that is reluctant to grow up? Is the bud that is attracting you - or part of you that wants to grow up and fulfill the destiny for which you were born. Don't cast blame on old and new friends because of your own unreadiness to grow up.
For a while just forget who else was or is with you in this journey - leaf or even bud - and just think of yourself, your role so far and your greater role in life now as a Butterfly. You owe it to the Greater Destiny to find yourself first. After you have found out where your past is and where your future lies, find the courage to part with the past and embrace the future. Remembber the destiny of the leaf in furthering your life has been completed. The destiny of the bud in taking forward your life is incomplete.
If everything in this Universe is ruled by Destiny, then we have the first responsibility to fulfill the roles given to us, before we wonder if those who already fulfilled their roles want to hang on to us, or those who are yet to fiulfil their roles are reluctant to be with us. Let Destiny itself heal the ones that need healing becuase they are gone into the past ... and let Destiny itself blossom the one that are ready to blossom.
A wise person once said that "People and things in the Universe only have conflict when they think they are God. They think they have to solve the problems of others, and in the process forget that they too are only playing a role they have to fulfill".
So don't forget to play your own destined role just because you feel you have to play God to the leaf and the bud. Let Nature and God do her work of healing some and blooming some, and let Nature and God take you where you have to go.
Be a part of Nature, but don't get conflicted forgetting that you too have a role and that role is not to try and play God for others!

Thank you lovely lady for your support and advise. Yes as you said, I am caught up with both the leaf & bud as I can't live without any one of them. I know I am an individual and have to live according to the destiny as I have to follow the flow of life and changes. The leaf was a donor and without the donor, I would not have succeeded in this cruel world as it not only gave me shelter and lifeline but also gave me the friendship in this lonely world. The bud to whom I am attracted now is my life saver, when the leaf in its fear of losing me to the bud had allowed a reptile in disguise of a leaf towards me not realizing the fact the that the reptile can eat me away. The clever bud had saved me from the reptile by posing itself as a shield in front of the reptile had almost lost its life. This had increased my devotion towards the bud but I can't trash the leaf to its destiny as I don't have a separate destiny of my own.

I am a parasite, who depends on others to survive. As a worm, I was depending on the leaf as a whole as there was no need for any nectar, hence gave the assurance and hold on me to the leaf to rule me around. But now as a charming butterfly I need the nectar to survive. I just can't survive only on the chlorophyll. Have you seen the irony of my destiny? Just look around carefully. I have no future of my own without the support of the plant, I can't keep myself flying around all the time, I need to rest and for that I need plant. Though I am attracted by the flower and even if it caters to my requirement of nectar, it has its own priorities in life and doesn't allow me to hang around all the time unlike the leaf. It has its own duty to serve the others with its beauty, its service to the lord, to the beautiful woman etc. Moreover even the flower is dependent on leaf for its life. The unless the leaf help the plant with photosynthesis, the plant can't survive as food and water for the plant & flower is through this process itself. The moment leaf stops the process, not only is its end but also the end of the flower. The flower can't sustain away from the plant for a long time. That is the indirect end of me, the butterfly.

Now, I have not totally a grown up butterfly and my tail is still stuck to my cocoon and the cocoon is stuck to the leaf. If I pull myself hard to free myself from the cocoon / leaf, then the force will tear the leaf and there by the end of leaf. The flower might give me a temporary shelter till such time I drink the nectar, after that even that will not be able to sustain my weight and also to produce some more nectar, it requires the food which is only possible when the leaf supports it with. The leaf is also needed for my next generation as they have to grow with the leaf to begin with, though the flower gave them the life

So whether we like or dislike each other, we are bound to be together as a family, a group, only then all of us can have better life. So tell me how I will convince both my friends to live a life of harmony at least for my sake?

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: history_geek

Very nicely put.

Just one thing i would like to mention here. I feel that the leaf didn't protect the butterfly but it may be the other way round.
The rosebud has 'established' and cemented its position in front of the butterfly and flourished in adverse climate ALSO.!.
It high time for the leaf to realize that this is a symbiotic relationship. Because if the leaf does not realizes this then it will find itself in NO MAN'S LAND very soon..!..

Wonderful writing... 👏

Yes, the leaf has not protected the butterfly but the worm. The worm grew behind the leaf, covering itself from the harsh weather in that process, it had missed its own growth. It had adjusted its growth just to suit teh growth of teh worm but it never even emphasized the fact that the worm will outgorw as a butterfly and will start flying away from the leaf. The butterfly has noted this and hence it is finding it hard to seperate itself from the leaf, hence trying to show the leaf the truth of nature. But the butterfly has to do the justice to both the leaf and the flower, otherwise, it will loose both in its own dilemma. It has to think fast and work hard to bring in the harmony between its 2 dear friends.

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