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Mihrimah Ahmed

@ShadeOfWhite

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Posted: 11 years ago

#31

Originally posted by: peepu

I'm not sure of Murad from whom he was born but Daniyal read everywhere was his son after salim😕
Whatever it is want no kids to be shown after MUZ gives birth to salim coz that ..would give eeks

I've read somewhere Murad was born from a concubine and he was sent to Amer (Jodha's parents) by Jalal to have Rajput brought-up. (note, how much respect Jalal had for Amerians)

Don't know whether its true on not...in fact I read 7 of 8 Jalal's kids were from MUZ only except Murad.😕

no one has certain answer of the children and their mothers..lets see what the show gives us😊

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Abhay

@history_geek

Rocker

+ 5

Posted: 11 years ago

#32

Originally posted by: vijisridhar
hahaha... interesting convo here.

In my opinion... none of the historical accounts or books are going to tell us about miscarriages that may have happened. It will only give account of surviving children and may be a passing reference to kids that died on birth.

So, having watched lots of Ekta's shows, am sure that she will take advantage of this fact and create drama. She will also run a disclaimer about this like she has been doing all along.

Viji

Hi Viji, (no offense😊)

Many Miscarriages were mentioned.😊
And, what.?.😲...Buddy, agreed it's a disclaimer, but exchanging children, and taking advantage, 😆, does NOT seems possible..🤓..And, about DETAILS or records,---> i read for some children even time of birth was recorded.!. (as per info i HAD few months back..) 😊

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Priyamvada

@peepu

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#33

Originally posted by: tamy267

I've read somewhere Murad was born from a concubine and he was sent to Amer (Jodha's parents) by Jalal to have Rajput brought-up. (note, how much respect Jalal had for Amerians)
Don't know whether its true on not...in fact I read 7 of Jalal's kids were from MUZ only except Murad.😕
no one has certain answer of the children and their mothers..lets see what the shows gives us😊

Then I don't want murad to be born in the show. ...hehe

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RagSia

@RagSia

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#34

Originally posted by: tamy267

I've read somewhere Murad was born from a concubine and he was sent to Amer (Jodha's parents) by Jalal to have Rajput brought-up. (note, how much respect Jalal had for Amerians)
Don't know whether its true on not...in fact I read 7 of 8 Jalal's kids were from MUZ only except Murad.😕
no one has certain answer of the children and their mothers..lets see what the show gives us😊

Murad sent to Amer?
Daniyal nahin kya?

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Mages

@Mages

Elite

+ 7

Posted: 11 years ago

#35

i am not sure...i am clueless abt it...

the only one i heard and read is salim(jehangir)...

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stargirl327

@stargirl327

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Posted: 11 years ago

#36

Originally posted by: history_geek

Hi Viji, (no offense😊)

Many Miscarriages were mentioned.😊
And, what.?.😲...Buddy, agreed it's a disclaimer, but exchanging children, and taking advantage, 😆, does NOT seems possible..🤓..And, about DETAILS or records,---> i read for some children even time of birth was recorded.!. (as per info i HAD few months back..) 😊

Abhay,

Please do consider sharing some information from your khazana of research (in red) !😉

I have always been badgering you about how many children MUZ and Akbar had...its high time to indulge my curiosity...please do post some info! 😃

By the way do you think Aurangzeb had anything to do with messing up the birth records?😕 If MUZ had many children it could look like she had more power than the rest of the wives... So, could it be that the reason for the confusion regarding birth mothers is because he changed the records!? (If he did make the changes why would he not change the main fact that he was MUZ's great grandson?😕)

OR DO YOU KNOW THE REAL REASON FOR THIS DISPARITY? 😉

P.S. I am becoming irritated that some people on the forum believe that Ruks was some sort of mahan and sweet lady in real life and was never a thorn in MUZ and Akbar's relationship. I however, believe the CVs may have gotten it right!

I remember your post, that you had stumbled over some info that supported how the CVs portray Ruks, please do considering sharing this info!😃

P.P.S. If you have time (which I doubt you have 😆) please make a separate post on Jahangir's Rajput wives...I was reading your posts on some member's thread... and I became a little confused between his two rajput wives😕...please clarify and post more info...if you have the time!😃

Thanks

Ika

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MyExiledSoul

@MyExiledSoul

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#37

Originally posted by: history_geek

@bold...😆...No one will beat you..!!...

BTW, are you sure about this info..??😉..😆..

P.S. -> I am not refuting your info. Just asking.?.😊..

Abhay, I'm reading JahangirNama but I think Jahangir was a confused guy 😆. He mentioned Salima Sultan died aged 60 😕 that means she was betrothed to Bairam Khan when she was 5-6 years old ? 😆...and he mentions Murad and Daniyal were from concubines,...so I think murad's real mother was Bibi Khaira (I'm not sure though) ...bdw please tell me the page no. where he has mentioned Hasan and Husain ??

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stargirl327

@stargirl327

Explorer

Posted: 11 years ago

#38

Originally posted by: tamy267
@TM pata nahi...its very controversial...only this show can clear this🤔
haan yeh alag baat hai that I want all the kids of Jalal from Jodha only😉😆

Me too! I want all of Akbar's kids to be Jodha's!😃 Sadly I don't know if this is historically valid!😔

No worries though I have full faith that History_geek or the show will definitely clarify this for JA fans...😆 now we just have to wait to see who gives us the information first!😉

--Ika

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702755

Suspended

Posted: 11 years ago

#39

Maryam gave Salim. Rest even historians don't know. Nothing is written clearly.

i quote a historian...

"The Princess of Amer gave birth to the future Mughal emperor Nuruddin Muhammad Jahangir."(The name of Jahangir's mother in every book is Maryam-uz-zamani).No one call her either Jodha or Harka. Sometimes historians call jagat gosain as Jodha.

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Abhay

@history_geek

Rocker

+ 5

Posted: 11 years ago

#40

@ika.

M out of town and travelling.
Just responding in short.

Plz wait.
When i get info i will post.

Also, regarding Ruqs. 😆 . I dont know what the forum says about her. Coz i do not visit many threads. But for ME Ruqs was NOT a 'seedhi saadhi saint'... 😕

dont ask more plz. I wont be able to reply.

@shweta

for your information there are multiple jahangirnamas also. 😆 ...if you are trying to crack the code of Akbar's kids from online archives or books or jahangirnama, then reconsider.!. 😉

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