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Originally posted by: harshu27

ohhh common guys just forget it just for few ppl who wants to share fake info and deliberately believe us dat JA is a fake love story nothing is going to change...let me tell 1 thing yest i saw a documentary on agra fort and FTS on DD bharati channel and der d historians clearly said about Akbar's genuine love for MUZ and how he had let her palace get constructed acc to her wishes i mean d rajput culture style etc...is dat not enuf proof fr der genuine love anyways its no use singing d same old song since ages we r used to such stuffs ignorance is d best medicine...😉🤪

Originally posted by: realpen1542

The first significant evidence is Daniyal's mother died in 1596 as documented in Akbarnama while MUZ died in 1623 as in Jahangirnama.

The following paragraph is from Akbarnama,a concrete evidence MUZ was not Daniyal's mother:

"On the 15th Q" Nr Ullah was sent to make inquiries into the tenures (sayrghl)* of the province of Agra, and an order was given that new land should be given to the necessitous. On the 26th H.M. mounted on horseback and gathered delight in Bgh Dilwez. He spent the night with pleasure in the Deer-house. At the end of that day the great lady of the family of chastity, the mother of Prince Suln Daniel, died. Next day an old servant of the harem of fortune died. H.M. after making his supplications to God adopted resignation, and begged forgiveness for them. On the 28th he returned to his palace. On this day the wife of the Prince Royal, who was the daughter of the ruler of Khndes, died."

Tuzuki I Jahangiri documents, Prince Daniyal's mother to be a royal concubine of Emperor Akbar.
This article is mainly to rule out the rumor that Daniyal's mother was MUZ.To prove the fake Jodha Akbar love story the rumor started spreading.There is no point in discussing it, ones we know the fact that Daniyal's mother died in 1596.But in spite of it, I would like to address the rumor and give an explanation about it.

Daniyal being Jodha's son or not does not prove JA love story never existed...Living in d era of polygamy Kings did have many wives & many kids from various wives..that applies to your Sahjahan-Mumtaz & Noorjahan-Salim so called Love story...so do not try to prove a point which do not exist.

The following three question were asked by the rumor spreader's to prove MUZ to be Daniyal's mother

1.WHY DID AKBAR SEND DANIYAL TO AMBER, IF HE WAS NOT MUZ 'S SON?

Akbar sends Daniyal to Amber.This was said by the rumor spreader as a favourable point for MUZ to be Daniyal's mother.First, go through few chapters in Akbarnama.When Akbar was traveling to Gujarat, he took Daniyals mother with him.On the way,Akbar's concubine couldn't endure the journey as she was near childbirth. Akbar located the auspicious house of saint Daniyal in Ajmer and left her there and went to Gujarat.Near palodi he got the news that a son was born.He issued an order that after one month when the kid was fit enough to travel, he should be conveyed to Amber which was the nearest and also a safe place.The other royal families which had an alliance with Akbar like Bikaner and Jaisalmer was far away from Ajmer.After 6 months Akbar on his way back to Agra halted in Ajmer.He sent his commanders to pick up his son and went to Agra with him.At the same time, Raja Bharmals daughter who was in Akbar's harem during Gujarat conquest was sent from Ajmer to Amber to take part in the condolence of her brother Bupat.This is another evidence MUZ was not Daniyal's mother.

In David price version which is said to be the unauthentic version of Jahangir's autobiography, it is given that" Daniyal was left in Rajabharmals care", but the period was not mentioned.The details are elaborated in Akbarnama.People can go through both the books which are on the net.

So Daniyal was sent to Amber only for 6months.

With the little knowledge i have Daniyal was trained in war skills by Bharmal & Bhagwantdas..He had Rajputana tactics of war ...which defintely can not happen when a child is mere 6 month otherwise daniyal should b a super human😆

Akbar when he started from Agra, he did not have any idea in dropping Daniyals mother in Amber, for if he intended he could have dropped her on his way to Ajmer as Amber is before Ajmere.So definitely Akbar had some other idea.Only when he was crossing Ajmer the problem started.Akbar had selected a place near Gujarat,but Abul Fazl had not revealed it.

Can u b more precise what r u taling about?..what was Akbar not aware of ...War?...btw..it seems.the above are ur interpretations n not a statement written in any of d authentic souurces...

We can also interpret Akbar sending Daniyal to Amber in a different way.People know Bairam Khan's rebellion against Akbar.In the middle of the rebellion, one of Bairam Khan's relative, Husain Quli Beg fell into the hands of Akbar.Akbar always had a good opinion on Husain though he was in Bairam khans side.On his way to Punjab , Akbar made over Husain to Adham khan, because he considered Adham khan to be an arch rivalry of Husain.In this way, Adham was held responsible for Husain.Adham Khan took good care of Husain who in future developed to be a trustworthy commander of Akbar.Similarly, Akbar should have thought Amber being closest to Ajmer could be a threat to his son Daniyal as he was a contenter to the throne against Salim.Moreover, Raja Bharmals daughter was with him when he went to Gujarat.This was a form of hostage and a checkpoint to Raja Bharmal.So it was better to leave his son under the care of Raja Bharmal.This is only my interpretation.So people can interpret however they like.So stop interpreting history and go according to true historical facts.

Kindly go through the points marked in blue..both of them are extremely contradictory...first u only give proof of MUZ not accomanying Akabar in Gujarat & later above u say MUZ with Akbar when he went to Gujarat..😆

2.Will Abul Fazal describe Daniyal's mother as a chaste lady if she was a concubine:

Abul Fazal used the same term chaste for a concubine ummed,the mother of Nasir mirza younger brother to Emperor Babar.(Akbarnama pg221 vol 1)Then why should he not describe Daniyals mother as a chaste lady?First of all, Abul Fazl is a shameless flatterer as said by Beveridge in the preface of Akbarnama.For him, all Akbar's wives are chaste,gem, pure and noble.How can he put the ladies down when they are the mothers of Akbar's children.

i do not understand u take most of the references from Abul Fazal's Akbarnama n u criticize him calling a Shameless flatter

Two slave girls Gulnar aghacha and Nargul aghacha presented by Sha Tahmasp to Emperor Babar were treated like the other royal ladies in the Mughal household.In fact,concubine Gulnar was sent to Mecca along with Gulbadan by Akbar.Gulbadan begum addresses her with full respect throughout her memoir though she was a concubine of her father.

Humayun's wife Mak Chuchak was not a woman of birth,and the title of begum was owne to her having borne a son Hakim who was treated by Humayun equal to Akbar.Infact there were many junior royal wives than her in Humayun's harem.In a Mughal household concubines were given equal status if they gave birth to boys.

When Jahangir married Nurjahan,she was just a lady in waiting for Ruqaya but after the wedding, all commanders were bowing in front of her.

Abul Fazal's father had kids born through concubines which were well-taken care by Abul Fazl himself.It was 15th century culture, not 20th century.

3.Will Akbar sent a concubine's son to Amber:

For Akbar, Daniyal was his precious son.He will not treat him inferiorly for most of his kids were through concubine.It is 15th century and not the 20th century where multiple wives were there and they can have 100 concubines.For Mughal kids born through wives as well as concubine were treated the same way.

i do not understandyr u saying Akbar's kids were from concubine...while Abul Fazal neer said so.

Babur's father treated Babur and his brother Nasir Ahmed who was born through a concubine in the same way.Akbar sent Babar's concubine Gulnar to Mecca along with Gulbadan with full respect

Jahangir treated his fourth son Sharyar born through a concubine in the same way as his other son.In fact he was a favourable contender to the throne.Aurangazeb son Born through his concubine Udhaipuri mahal was treated in the same way as his other sons. Raja Bharmals family will agree to Akbar's request.Once it was Raja Bharmals son Bhagavandas who went to Jaisalmer,picked up the princess there and dropped her in Akbar's harem for Akbar to marry.This may be abnormal for the 20th-century people,but it was a common culture in the 15thcentury.Such a family will definitely take care of Akbar's son who was just a kid.

Aurangazeb son born through his concubine Udhaipuri mahal was treated in the same way as his other sons.

Raja Bharmals family will agree to Akbar's request.Once it was Raja Bharmals son Bhagavandas who went to Jaisalmer,picked up the princess there and dropped her in Akbar's harem for Akbar to marry.This may be abnormal for the 20th-century people,but it was a common culture in the 15thcentury.Such a family will definitely take care of Akbar's son who was just a kid

Raja Bharmals son Bhagavandas who went to Jaisalmer,picked up the princess there and dropped her in Akbar's harem for Akbar to marry...really??.. u say bhagwantdas dropped bharmal's daughter in harem to marry???...i guess u have missed to red a whole chapter in Akbarnama which is dedicated o only Akbar-MUZ marriage...no other marriage has got this much significance..Another point is their marriage was held in a place called Sambhar n not just drop her in harem for marriage.

Anarkali and Daniyals mother:

I woukd like to add a note on Anarkali

There are also historical records that Daniyals mother could be the legendary Anarkali.The first historical mention of Anarkali was found in the travelogue of the British tourist and trader William Finch, who came to Lahore during 1608 to 1611.According to Finch's account, Anarkali was one of the wives of emperor Akbar and mother of his son Daniyal sha.Akbar developed a suspicion that Anarkali had an incestuous relationship with Prince Salim(Jahangir) upon which he entombed her within a wall of his palace where she died.Jahangir as a token of love ordered a magnificent tomb built for her.Edward Terry who visited a year after William Finch writes that Akbar had threatened to disinherit Jahangir, for his liaison with Anarkali, the emperor's most beloved wife.But on his death bed, Akbar repealed it( Early Travel in India, 1583-1619.Page no 166,330.)
But the account of the British traveller is falsified when one comes to know that Daniyal's mother died in 1596 which does not match the dates inscribed on the sarcophagus that is 1599.
This clearly shows that there had been a bazaar gossip about Anarkali and Salim.The traveller had become confused because Daniyal's mother had died that time.This shows Daniyal's mother's death had been famous among the people of Lahore.

i do not want to comment about the Anrkali part cos a person with even little knowledge will know Anarkali was a fictional imaginary character😆

DEATH OF PRINCE DANIYAL'S MOTHER:

Prince Daniyal's mother died in 1596 as in Akbarnama.Volume 3.Chapter:CXXVIII.Page no1063.
People can go to this page to know the true fact. Since it is a part of a chapter people may not have noticed it. Akbar's first daughter's mother's death is also written as a part of a chapter.Abul Fazl doesn't mention the death of all the wives of Akbar.He had mentioned the death of these two ladies because they were mothers of Akbar's children.

The death of Muz was documented to be 1623 in Jahangirnama.The death has been described in just one line by her son Jahangir.

Now one should be very clear MARIAM ZAMANI WAS NOT THE MOTHER OF DANIYAL

PLEASE DO NOT IMMAGINE, INTERPRET, MANIPULATE, AND DISTORT HISTORY.

IT IS INJUSTICE DONE TO THE FUTURE GENERATION AS WELL AS TO THE MUGHALS WHO ARE NO MORE.

yess exactly kindly stop making ur own stories & manipulating facts/truth..

Moreover, I see in the net people writing comments that the identity is given in Akbarnama and other historical books.I request the public to take the historical books mentioned on the net, just to save time, go through the index where the children's names are given and go through at least those pages so that the truth is known.

ur saying to refer net sources of Akbarnama n later on in ur comments u say ..u do not refer net but authentic books..again contadicting..😆

Note: This article is written with a good aim that history should not be distorted just for the sake of a fake love story.

Disclaimer: This has been written with what was given in books.It is not pointing to any particular person, site or blog.

Real Pen

Thank you.er in Akbar's harem for Akbar to marry.This may be abnormal for the 20th-century people,but it was a common culture in the 15thcentury.Such a family will definitely take care of Akbar's son who was just a kid.

Originally posted by: -AkDha.Lover-

So true Harshu di. The story is all around the golden triangle region, provided we have the eyes to look for it. If you don't want to see something, you won't.

BTW, It's from that series 'Forts Of India', right? Episode 7.

Originally posted by: sony23akdha

Babaji ka thullu 🤣

Originally posted by: jiya.k

Keh gaye bhayiya log sayane ke andhe ke aage rona apne nain khona...
Lage raho munna bhai or behan kya pata gandhi ji ki tarah akbar ji bhi aa jaaye aapke pass coz u read lots of material abt him naa like munna bhai read abt gandhi ji...
Jokes apart sorry if hurt anyone sentiments but akbar muz ke pyaar pe yakeen karne wale hum or unke pyaar pe yakeen na karne wale tum aaj hai kal nahi honge par akbar muz ka pyaar kal bhi tha aaj bhi hai aur kal bhi rahega...
They live forever...naa zamana mita paya hai unki hasti ab tak naa kabhi aage mita payega...

Originally posted by: jiya.k

Keh gaye bhayiya log sayane ke andhe ke aage rona apne nain khona...
Lage raho munna bhai or behan kya pata gandhi ji ki tarah akbar ji bhi aa jaaye aapke pass coz u read lots of material abt him naa like munna bhai read abt gandhi ji...
Jokes apart sorry if hurt anyone sentiments but akbar muz ke pyaar pe yakeen karne wale hum or unke pyaar pe yakeen na karne wale tum aaj hai kal nahi honge par akbar muz ka pyaar kal bhi tha aaj bhi hai aur kal bhi rahega...
They live forever...naa zamana mita paya hai unki hasti ab tak naa kabhi aage mita payega...