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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Kiddo, it is clear that you have not read many of my posts. Like the Gordian knot one, or even the Of Human Bondage one.

Aunty, I had read the Gordian knot post of yours.
But even there, as you would have noticed, my tongue is often in my cheek!😉
Yes Aunty, I realized that.
Maybe because you are so young and have not acquired/retained the instinctive reverence those of my age group have for the avenging Goddess, the Durga dushtasamharini, you cannot relate to that kind of scene. I tried to explain the significance of samhara in our mythology, but I seem to have failed to get it across to you, which is of course my failing, not yours.
I understood where you were coming from. But that did not look logical to me (when Salima is around). I could have believed Jodha doing this as she normally does not think about the consequences. But Salima would not let her do this. And so I think it is a dream and as I told before Jodha's dream.

Ok, let us take it that it is a dream. It would have to be Jodha's dream, for the KT does not know that Jodha Begum is an excellent teerandaaz. Salima tells Jodha during the day that Jalal and the KT are going jamunapaar to the dargah that night. When did the distraught Jodha have that dream - during a post-prandial nap?😉

Aunty, remember Jodha hasn't been sleeping for past 3 days. So this might happen when she had slept for 5 minutes because she was so exhausted and then she got this dream. This could also be what she discussed with Salima while they brainstorm about how to save their husband and this scene is shown while they are discussing.

Moreover, if it is a dream, and in reality, Jodha is on the bank and Jalal and the KT in the boat, how will he escape? Why would the boatride be uneventful when the KT is determined to complete her task that very night? Do you really think that the big built Salima can be passed off as a baandi, and whose baandi, come to think of it? Not the KT's and Jalal would not have any with him outside the palace.

And do you think the KT would let a baandi push her into a boat different from the one for Jalal which would mean her whole plan being sabotaged? No, no, Bobby, this does not hold together at all.

May be this was too much. There might have been some other happening and Jalal did not even go with Ben to Darga or even if they went they were surrounded by many people in the boat that Ben could not do much.

Your alternative scenario @blue is so predictable, my child, that my heart sank when I read it. It is precisely the sort of thing that you all keep complaining about as hammy and pedestrian, and here you are proposing the same sort of thing!😉😉

CVs generally are predictable. This scenario is not what I wanted. What I said was CVs will probably show it this way. I do not have any expectations as of now. I am just going with the flow as you suggested 😊. But it's kind of interesting to try and guess how CVs will carry out this track so that at least you can give some work to your brain.

As for @red, I am not going to accept being shortchanged in this fashion! 😉

Aww. Sorry Aunty 😉


All this apart, the key factor in deciding a track is the anticipated TRPs. Now, if Jodha has shot and killed Benazir, they can have another crackerjack of a trial for Jodha, accused of murder by Mahaam, in the Diwan-e-Khas. It can drag on for a week, with Jalal visiting Jodha off and on in the prison, and it will end in her being acquitted when Zakira is finally caught and "made" to talk. That will fetch the TRPs: there is nothing like the persecution of a courageous Durga-cum-Savitri to push them to stratospheric heights.

Doubtful that this will happen

If anyone thinks that a Benazir writhing some more from withdrawal symptoms is going to top a trial for the TRPs, they must be dreaming ! So be a good girl and join me by keeping your fingers too crossed for Benazir to be dead and gone! And the other shahi libaas they are brandishing as proof that she will be there much longer be damned!

They have to show Ben not getting her daily dose because that is what Sharifuddin suggested. If not what was the purpose of that scene of Jodha with Sharif.

If that does not happen, I will drop out for the next week at least, for I would find nothing to say about the kind of cheesy happenings you are predicting. Which might well be a blessing in disguise all around!

Please do't do that Aunty. Don't get disheartened. Be around. Also what happened to your own words of going with the flow 😉.

Finally, your neat diddle the boss plan has only 2 weak points. One, for an efficient person, it is almost impossible to do bad work, and that would need a great deal of sustained effort. Two, before the of the month, you might find yourself fired!😉

Yes Aunty, I agree it is impossible for the efficient person to do bad work. But I am not sure about getting fired because I see so many people around me doing bad work and still not get fired.
Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 11 years ago
#52
A very good comeback, Bobby. I am impressed!

Just one point: "going with the flow" is for watching without fretting, which I will continue to do. I never let these onscreen follies affect my mood. But spending 3 hours analysing junk, that too at my age, is a no no! And with the responses to comments, it ends up at more like 7 hours a post, plus the strain on my wonky wrist!

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 11 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Lovely comments, Sandhya my dear, and I am so reassured to find you too plumping for the precap to be real. Do see my response above to the sadly sceptical Bobby 😉.

Yes, 2 posts in 14 hours is way too much, but I just had to do this one once the title popped up in my mind!


Yes Aunty,
I AM rooting for the precap to be true. I loved Jodha in it, and I have to like her to enjoy the love story. Moreover this is the Jodha I have always envisaged - proud, not vain, courageous, not arrogant. I don't want her to be bitten by that disgusting Ben and lying on the sick bed blabbering 'You are safe Shahenshah! ' like a Barbara Cartland/ M&B heroine.:no::no::no::no:
I think the CVs will value their TRPs more than the 2 extra costumes that they stitched for Ben and have her thrown out asap.
Ben ka bhi vadh hona hi teek hai. She doesn't deserve to be punished.😡 It would be more fulfilling and spectacular this way. Moreover Jodha's rushing out to mercilessly eliminate the danger that threatens Jalal, without heeding to Saleema's warnings, without thinking about the consequences and what it will cost her if accused guilty will be the best proof of her Amar Prem for Jalal to herself.😳
Jalal too will be all set to prove her innocent, Ben mattered two hoots to him and he cannot have Jodha punished for that woman. He will be desperate to believe her and acquit her. Once that happens, he will understand the lengths she could go to protect him and that she DOES CARE which is everything he has wanted and longed for in her. 😳
The torn letter will become a forgotten thing. There will be no need for Rahim to read it. ( I still believe there is no way MA will leave it around. She would have burnt it the moment Jalal tore it). So will be the Shove.
Then comes teakwood and pudding and the Mughal-e-Azaam. 😃I am still hoping for something like that. But I am prepared for lallu too.😕
Edited by Sandhya.A - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Dear Aunty, as much as love your calling me Kiddo, I am not a kiddo 😉. I am a married woman with 9 year old son.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Kiddo, it is clear that you have not read many of my posts. Like the Gordian knot one, or even the Of Human Bondage one.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Sandhya, when were your comments not a treat? I loved the proud, not vain, courageous, not arrogant description of Jodha yesterday.

Ben ka bhi vadh hona hi teek hai. How evocative is the term vadh! Like samhaar. Sunke hi dil khush ho jaata hai.

The @blue is exactly what I feel too. I never believed that The Letter would resurface - Mahaam is not a fool! - and as for The Shove, once Jalal is convinced that Jodha cares for him so desperately as to kill for him, that too when she is so averse to violence, that will be history.

As for teakwood and pudding face, I do not see a Mughal-e-Azam, and it would be enough for me if Jalal does not do a Mirza and make a soulful speech about mohabbat mein giraftar!😉

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Yes Aunty,

I AM rooting for the precap to be true. I loved Jodha in it, and I have to like her to enjoy the love story. Moreover this is the Jodha I have always envisaged - proud, not vain, courageous, not arrogant. I don't want her to be bitten by Ben and lying on the sick bed blabbering ' you are safe Shahenshah' like a Barbara Cartland/ M&B heroine.
I think the CVs will value their TRPs more than the 2 extra costumes that they stitched for Ben and have her thrown out asap.
Ben ka bhi vadh hona hi teek hai. She doesn't deserve to be punished. It would be more fulfilling and spectacular this way. Moreover Jodha's rushing out to mercilessly eliminate the danger that threatens Jalal, without heeding to Saleema's warnings, without thinking about the consequences and what it will cost her if accused guilty will be the best proof of her Amar Prem for Jalal to herself.
Jalal too will be all set to prove her innocent, Ben mattered two hoots to him and he cannot have Jodha punished for that woman. He will be desperate to believe her and acquit her. Once that happens, he will understand the lengths she could go to protect him and that she DOES CARE which is everything he has wanted and longed for in her.
The torn letter will become a forgotten thing. There will be no need for Rahim to read it. ( I still believe there is no way MA will leave it around. She would have burnt it the moment Jalal tore it). So will be the Shove.
Then comes teakwood and pudding and the Mughal-e-Azaam. 😃I am still hoping for something like that. But I am prepared for lallu too.😕

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Bobby dear,

That is all relative. My son is 28, and I still call him chinnappa, which is Tamil for kiddo. You cannot be much older than he is! I would like someone to call me kiddo, it is such a nice, endearing term, but alas, that is all long gone!😭

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Bobby13

Dear Aunty, as much as love your calling me Kiddo, I am not a kiddo 😉. I am a married woman with 9 year old son.

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Posted: 11 years ago
#57
Lashy my sweet,

As always, I enjoy your comments more even than my post, though this one delighted me because of the title theme of the Durga dushtasamharini. In fact, I think I sat down to write it past midnight only because of the inspiration for the title

My additional comments are in blue. And yes, I loved your capturing the inner workings fo Jalal's zehen in your analysis of this episode, and I will be commenting on that, and on the whole post, on that thread.

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 11 years ago
#58

Originally posted by: lashy


😆 Ok...

Mandy...kyaa yaar...at least mujhe support to karti...😆😆


I thought I was supporting you.😕
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Bobby13

Dear Shyamala Aunty, You seem very different in this post. More positive than you normally are 😊 or did I misread your emotions? (as per your normal complaints about us not understanding what you really meant at times. Not understanding the satire and sarcasms. I am confused a bit with this post). I myself felt that the precap was over the top even for Ekta's standard. I was surprised that you were happy with that😲.


As I posted in Mansi's thread, my theory about the precap is as follows:

Jodha trying to kill Ben with arrows has to be a dream. I do not think that Salima would have approved that plan of hers mainly because that will put Jodha in trouble. There will not be any way of proving Ben a Vishakanya (how will Ben wear the Nikah costume if she died now?). I think the actual boat ride will be uneventful. May be Salima goes with Jalal and Ben as Bandi. She will accompany Ben in the boat whereas Jalal goes in a different boat. They come back and Zakira would have fled the palace as Ben was not going to come back after killing Jalal. In the absence of Zakira, it would be more easier for Jodha/Salima duo to make sure that she does not get her daily dose of poison. On the day of Nikah (before the nikah), Ben will try to kill Jalal and Jodha saves him from her. In the process Jodha gets bitten and will get effected by the poison and Jalal will accept his love for Jodha (at least to himself) when Jodha is in serious condition. As Ben 's poison was not so strong at the time she had bitten, Jodha will recover later.

I don't think your wish of Jodha running to Jalal and hugging him may not happen as she falls down to ground after Ben bites her. But do not get disheartened 😉. May be she tells "Shahanshaah, thank God you are safe!!" when she is unconscious and Jalal sitting there near the bedside might hear her blabbering and might get really touched by this 😊.

Leaving the precap out and if I have to talk about the episode, the first scene of Moti/Jodha and Atgah/Jalal was a really good one. May be the best scene of this week. Both Paridi and Rajat acted so well in this scene. I was also thinking that the scene would have been much better if the old Moti was there. Wait, why I have started my cribs again. I had decided to only talk about the positive aspects in an episode now onwards...The last scene which showed the way Jodha was relieved after getting to know there is at least one person who is at her side (that too the smart and mature Salima whom Jodha believes the most) was good. She was so happy that there is one person who can help her in her "Save Shahanshaah from Naagin" mission. It's actually very difficult to think straight when you are alone. Just the thought that there is another person with you at the time of crisis, will sharpen your brain lot more. I could see the same thing happening to Jodha in last scene and Paridi's acting was very good in that.

Actually one more thought came to me yesterday. We have seen that whenever CVs show very bad episodes for some time, even an average episode receives lot of praise (more than it deserves). I was thinking why should not we employ this in our lives too (I told this in Lashy's thread also). Do not do your work properly for a month. Your boss will be frustrated with you to the core. Do little bit better in the next month and your boss will be very pleased with you. You will probably get more praise than if you had done great job consistently. I know I am getting bad ideas by CVs of Jodha Akbar. Please do not take me seriously, I am just kidding here😉.

Bobby,
You made my heart sink with this predictable prediction.😭
I was so upbeat after the precap yesterday.😕
Saleema's presence will not stop Jodha from doing what she wants. She is not made of that stuff. When on fire Jodha neither thinks nor cares about the consequences nor heeds to practical reasoning. This one act of hers, if it were to be true, will make up for every thoughtless action of hers so far, as it is the same blind audacity which has helped her save her sowbhagya china.
Moreover if it was a dream, logically there would be only Jalal, KT and herself in it. Not Saleema and Moti behind.
As for Shariffu's advice, may be Jo tries to deprive KT of snakes, but has no time and all this adds to her desperation and take the final big step. This may be extended for 2 days too and we will have the same precap on Monday. They are repeating precaps nowadays. But even if they take an extra day, I still wish and hope for the precap to be true😊 and not a dream😕
She is so fabulous here. I really DON'T WANT it to be a dream.
Edited by Sandhya.A - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi Shyamala, Back again with another pov.

This time am rooting for the precap to happen - followed by Jodha trial - and the surprise from TE, as promised by Zee is, TE providing the proof of Jodha's claims being correct - In fact as I had mentioned earlier, what is interesting me is the convo btwn TE and Atgha specifically the stressing on the rumor of Benny as 'zehereeli doshiza' and the 'work Atgha needs to do before the shaadi which has made things difficult due to the time gap being less and the short notice given to Atgha. Also when TE had declared he would marry Benny baby, if anyone had noticed, Atgha was looking at everyone present in the DEK in a very suspicious manner - something is definitely cooking there!!!

This will definitely ensure the TRPs for the makers and us - you and I - winning the Pretzel contest since we do get TE back as a thinking Shahenshah (even if a little tarnished but thats ok)

And hopefully we will get a tearful hug from Chudail to TE mouthing the words 'Aap surakshit hain Shahenshah... Aap surakshit hain' before MA and party come over and start the mayhem of Jodha having committed murder!!!

Now this trial and the accusations from the anti-Jodha camp will definitely rub TE the wrong way - As I have been saying he has taken cognizance of Jodha's accusations of Benny and has not brushed them away since he knows she will tell the truth even if it harms her (what Salima told HB - TE does not need to be told!!!) - And more than the Benny kaand it will be this trial of Jodha and all the accusations from MA and Ruqu and AK which will turn the wind in Agra!!! (we do have Chisti saab's prediction for this already of the kaale baadal chantoing and the Sun shining thru) - Be prepared to hear Atgha being made the Chief Wazir of the Sultunat and the Wazir-e-Finance and being asked to look into all the financial matters very very soon!!!!!

As for the Benny, Mali and Hakim tracks - As Abhay has been posting from his research - we may see the entry of Hakim's mother in some form, either in person or as a paigaam - as a part of this track itself!!!
Edited by adianasr - 11 years ago

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