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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: pallavi003

aunty, the shivani elopement fiasco reminds a same incident from past where a sister causes humiliations to her brother and sister-in-law in front of the whole empire.. yes, I am talking about Bakshi Banu, she was not the main culprit but she assisted her husband in that criminal act being blind in love and did whatever shariffu asked her to do without ever thinking about her brother's emotions for once.


Here shivani is on the same way, she is also going to cause a great humiliation to Jalal, Jodha ,and the whole ameri clan.. She also has gone blind in love and can't see the right and wrong, what gonna befall on her jiji specially.


Now I want to see, if cvs grant some mercy on viewers, that when BB caused humiliation to Jodha, Jalal was blamed and he remained silent and except showing anger and questioning jodha only once that so in her room, he put up with all the blames,jodha and his mother threw upon him, he agreed to all the false allegations to protect Jo's honor until he found out the real culprit , similarly Jodha also maintains her calm and dignity this time, doesn't retort back rudely. I want to see how she proves herself innocent without retorting back, without shouting, without loosing her calm and blaming Jalal for their marriage, just like Jalal and as you said aunty Jodha couldn't feel the pain of Jalal totally as BB is her SIL but Jalal's own sister and there are a few whom Jalal loved actually, similarly I wish when shivani also betrays , Jodha at last be able to relate her pain with jalal's during BB's betrayal, when Jo tried to commit suicide, Jalal felt a connection between them, I wish this time Cvs don't waste the chance and show a self talk of Jodha where she can connect her state of mind with jalal's and finally can feel the pain and understands why Jalal still couldn't forgive BB..


You are hoping too much here from jodha. i have yet to see a scene from the start of this show where she has understood jalal on an emotional level or ever comprehended his state of mind be it in his pleasures or his distress. He might as well be speaking in hungarian to her for all the difference it makes. This upcoming course will be just another track of jodha pity party and Jalal probably going off the deep end but twist and turn this around in its climax it will be all his fault and he will come back to his begging mode again. To make all this worst if he makes an ass of himself by announcing to marry Benazir then what can we say about his character. Even if he is right, writers are determined to write him in such a way that egg lands on his face only, and it is Jodha who wins.
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Posted: 11 years ago

I dont even know where to start lamenting about my disgust. Like most here I dont recognize this shehenshah anymore. He is on the verge of becoming a not an enlightened but a confused Buddha. I could not believe how lightly he spoke of the bezatti today. There was a tone of sarcasm of course but really, was that dignified at all? Why would you even bring it up? what happened to quiet anger? He just told Ruqs he still remembers it all? And then he is still ogling her whenever he can. Their nok jhok makes me want to barf. This is the most unjustified unexplained unemotional 'epic' love story there ever was.
All that remains is for him to ask prem-biksha from Jodha Begum Mahaan. He has become a bikhaarii begging for her approval and acceptance.
As someone else pointed out, he says ' na jane hamari dil ki baat kaisi jaan leti hai' when she is the last person on earth who has any idea of his dil ki baat.
As for his 'wohi taap wohi gussa' to Ruqaiya, it is the joke of the century. I am even tired of abusing him.

Coming to Ruqs, I think she has one of the worst best friends fate could bestow on her. He has no respect for their relationship at all. I'm appalled by how badly he treats her. I still remember the scenes between Jalal and Ruqs when smiley was around. Where did that relationship go? Is he going to forsake everyone else for the sake of Jodha just like his mother?I cannot respect a man who dump the old the minute someone new walks in. If I were Ruqs I would dumped his sorry a** a long time ago (16th century equivalent of dumping) I guess everybody pays a price for how they treat others, so he is at the receiving end of the same sort of treatment from Jodha. And Ruqs swallows everything he throws her way just like Jalal does when it comes to Jodha. I so wish he would just stick to loving from afar and wait for her to come to him.
Jodha Begum Ben se jale to Mohabbat hai...Pur Ruqaiya Jodha se jale tho galath hai. Jodha cannot stand the first woman in Jalal's life after her, inspite of not being the wife he expects out of her. But Ruqaiya is expected to bear all the women in his life with saintly patience and not fume at Jodha . Even Jalal vents out his frustrations only on Ruqaiya and has not the spine to pull the lagaam of his Jodha Begum. If Jalal ever changes his equations with Ruqaiya for the sake of Jodha, it would be a bigger blow to his character, worse than the Tasneem track.

I dont think I have ever seen a historical figure mutilated quite so badly as EK has done of Akbar.
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As for Jodha, I am at a loss for words really. How shameless can one be? When you know you cannot be the wife your husband desperately needs you to be how can you constantly keep taking and taking from him? If I couldnt return the love my husband felt for me I would be overcome with guilt. At the least I would stay away from his family, unable to meet their eyes for the injustice I mete out to their son even if love is an uncontrollable reaction. I would at least wonder why I cant return his love. I would never expect more sons from his family to marry into mine in case they face the same fate. Shouldnt that at least prompt her to talk to Shivani? She is not alien to the concept of marrying for love. She almost had it with surya whats- his- name and she saw it between Sukanya and spineless prince. She herself said she cannot give herself to any man she doesn't love and mocked Jalal's love as SKL. Then why does she not ask Shivani if she can bring herself to one day love that man? Does she not realize it would be unfair to HM if he has to bear the same fate as Jalal? I dont get how highly principled Jodha cannot see this. She has ethics and morals for everyone else but not for self. I am fed up. And is Shivani to place the same conditions as her before marriage too about religion and consummation and everything else in between?
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To Jodha her marriage has only been about her ideals and expectations. His can go to hell. As Ariel said, if she can't reciprocate, she has no right to call herself 'Shahenshah Jalalluddin ki Begum' whenever it suits her purpose and feel for the loss of position... shall we call it audha... position on Jalal's left on the throne. And Hamida and even Jalal are overwhelmed by Jodha's wearing Mughal attire. As though it is a great honour bestowed by her. She actually said to HB yesterday that it is her farz as a begum of Mughal Khaandaan. Does her farz end there? She was not wearing the Mughal attire for any other function so far. Wasn't she Mughal Khaandaan ki bahu all these days?
She will only fulfil as much duty and respect as much sentiments of her Ammijaan as will suit her convenience. Though initially hesitant, she will consent to wear a Mughal attire, she will consent to have her birthday celebrated grandly. Going by her own standards of the thunderstorm night, why didn't she stomp her royal foot into Agra's chilled air and do a satyagraha under a tree in the courtyard of the palace and refuse her b'day celebrations then? She was still grina-ing Jalal at that time. Hasn't her Ammijaan asked her to make up with and try to overcome differences with Jalal? But she has never taken a single step in this direction. She only tangles things and leaves more for Jalal to handle.


And the Ameris, dont they want their daughter married off from their own kingdom? What happened to not eating in the daughters house? Now the whole khandhaan camps for days on end at Agra. And Jalal has to get all the daughter married too! Talk about mooching.
Beti ki ghar ki paanio nahin piyenge.😆😆.Doosri beti ki shaadi mein Damaad se qila lenge.( Agreed Jalal gave the fort. But Jalal is the one who initially offered the paani too.) Teesri beti ki shaadi mein damaad ke ghar mein poora parivaar jamkar bait jayega. Lekin beti hamesha damaad ko prick karthi rahegi!😡
Edited by Sandhya.A - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
shahenshah ka maatam mat manao yaaro..ekta ne usse dafna diya hai!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: loveanime


You are hoping too much here from jodha. i have yet to see a scene from the start of this show where she has understood jalal on an emotional level or ever comprehended his state of mind be it in his pleasures or his distress. He might as well be speaking in hungarian to her for all the difference it makes. This upcoming course will be just another track of jodha pity party and Jalal probably going off the deep end but twist and turn this around in its climax it will be all his fault and he will come back to his begging mode again. To make all this worst if he makes an ass of himself by announcing to marry Benazir then what can we say about his character. Even if he is right, writers are determined to write him in such a way that egg lands on his face only, and it is Jodha who wins.


ab soch ne me kya jata hai...😆😆..anyway yes it may happen that Jalal at last begs pardon for whatever he would do to take revenge on Jodha thinking she knew everything about shivani's affair, but beside this begging, pardoning, can't we get some sensible revelations of Jodha's emotions.??And why only Jalal, jo should also apologize as in BB track Jalal also apologized on behalf of his sister and for his acts too, so this time the apolozy must be for both side, 😭
Edited by pallavi003 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A


well, that mughal outfit wearing was a surprise to all, you see Bhagwandas and bharmal were not happy with this change but they are ready to marry off the youngest daughter in a mughal family..what a farce!!😆😆..Anyway whatever she wore, I don't mind, I just want their relationship develops, she can connect with Jalal's emotions, she starts understanding him properly, or unless she won't be ever able to reciprocate to Jalal's feelings truly..

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: pallavi003

aunty, the shivani elopement fiasco reminds a same incident from past where a sister causes humiliations to her brother and sister-in-law in front of the whole empire.. yes, I am talking about Bakshi Banu, she was not the main culprit but she assisted her husband in that criminal act being blind in love and did whatever shariffu asked her to do without ever thinking about her brother's emotions for once.


Here shivani is on the same way, she is also going to cause a great humiliation to Jalal, Jodha ,and the whole ameri clan.. She also has gone blind in love and can't see the right and wrong, what gonna befall on her jiji specially.


Now I want to see, if cvs grant some mercy on viewers, that when BB caused humiliation to Jodha, Jalal was blamed and he remained silent and except showing anger and questioning jodha only once that so in her room, he put up with all the blames,jodha and his mother threw upon him, he agreed to all the false allegations to protect Jo's honor until he found out the real culprit , similarly Jodha also maintains her calm and dignity this time, doesn't retort back rudely. I want to see how she proves herself innocent without retorting back, without shouting, without loosing her calm and blaming Jalal for their marriage, just like Jalal and as you said aunty Jodha couldn't feel the pain of Jalal totally as BB is her SIL but Jalal's own sister and there are a few whom Jalal loved actually, similarly I wish when shivani also betrays , Jodha at last be able to relate her pain with jalal's during BB's betrayal, when Jo tried to commit suicide, Jalal felt a connection between them, I wish this time Cvs don't waste the chance and show a self talk of Jodha where she can connect her state of mind with jalal's and finally can feel the pain and understands why Jalal still couldn't forgive BB..

Jodha and contemplation...this is almost like expectiong Jalal to shove Jodha back. Whatever happens, it will only be Jalal who suffers and Jodha will say she suffers.
In the case of BB, the only affected party was Jodha and Jalal and Jalal spoke to the awaam to set right their disappointment . But here Mirza Haakim and the entire Mughal family and their honour will be affected. This scandal is worse. So far Jo has only preached and spoken on lofty ideals. She has miserably failed whenever actual display of inner strength and perception is needed. She will only cry, suffer, talk, sting Jalal and bask in her partial mother-in-law's praises. Can you imagine Jodha really DO something to solve things and apologise to the awaam and everyone in her sasuraal for her sister's behaviour?
Heroines will never be humiliated thus in serials. Everybody wants Jalal to solve the problem, even here in the forum, citing Shivaani's age as the factor...at 16, she is too young to understand. But Jalal in also not 40...just 22 and he has to do all the problem-solving, bear all the hurt-feelings, constant insults by his wife, put up with SKLL and aapse achche hain and yet solve the problems of his thankless wife and her family, raise the status of the kaarigar and get Shivaani married to him and incur the displeasure of his brother as it is also Hakim's duty to understand Shivaani's love...urgh...🤢
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: pallavi003


hey guys was it just me i thought the mughal outfit was awful on her. ok awful might be too harsh but definitely not her look. it wasn't the outfit per say but it was the way it was showcased it was too gaudy, way tooo much make up, the long sleeves and just the material in general. the way it was worn dramatically aged her, rajat is already younger looking it does not help the chemistry if they start aging jodha needlessly through the clothes and makeup. the best person who wears this mughal outfit is hamida banu she is so regal looking in it, she has the height, weight and body and the right makeup to carry it off. ruqaiya doesn't look that great in it either, i thought smiley as ruq looked way better. i have to give an honourable mention to salima style custom mughal outfit no one wears that style but her love that, she is tall and a fuller figure so that cut suits her it is great, only if she had more colors.

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Beti ki ghar ki paanio nahin piyenge.😆😆.Doosri beti ki shaadi mein Damaad se qila lenge.( Agreed Jalal gave the fort. But Jalal is the one who initially offered the paani too.) Teesri beti ki shaadi mein dmaad ke ghar mein poora parivaar jamklar bait jayega. Lekin beti hamesha damaad ko prick karthi rahegi!

Bhagwan dass in use kile ki bhapayei pehle hi kar di thee ...shenshah ki jaan bachakar😆

Damaad ne bhi 3 Amer princes-on ki jaan baksh di thi. Of course jitna chahe damaad ko loot le!😆 Par poora Amer waapas lene ke baad, why this dialogue on 'paani nahin peete'. 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: loveanime


you and I share the same taste of fashion and style statement, the long sleeves I didn't like and they were not skin tight too like ruqu and hamida, moreover though she was looking pretty in DEK but in the garden I felt the make-up team had put a ton of foundation on her face and a dark brown shade of lipstick was not looking regal, her face was looking extremely white-ish ..and to mention the bigger nose pin complements her facial structure much better than that smaller one she wore last night..
Edited by pallavi003 - 11 years ago

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