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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: PadBear

@adianasr, you are more experienced than me when it comes to EK shows. I was introduced to Hindi tv with her Kis Desh Mein Hai Mera Dil. As for JA, it has been a very good show. Which is why, this current slump is either a sign of worse things to come, or some kind of consolidation of different strands in the story that I'm not seeing well yet. . It's entirely possible that there's a new troika of villains about to take over and this is the messy transition where Jo and Ja are clowning around distracting us. Ya, MH was somebody with a clear agenda from the start, so hope he declares himself early in the show and is not used to mislead and confuse.


My dear I am not at all experienced with the plots. EK made me quit Television for a good 8 years!!! But yes, I understand the frustration since it was the this that made me quit.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi all this is from a post that I had made yesterday 'Jodha Akbar - The premise of a Love story' and am presenting the same here for all of you. The one below in red was my initial post and the one following this in blue was in response to Shyamala's comment which also I am presenting here for all of you -

I have been reading up posts on the forum since a couple of months. I have read the analysis that have been posted and the points and counter points. All of them seem to have one of the following 2 premises -
1. Jalal needs to become a better person and Jodha will change him for the better and
2.Jodha needs to change and improve and she can only do so by understanding Jalal.

In short, most here seem to be of the opinion one or the other or both will change due to the other's influence.

Is it possible for one human to change another human - or does each human change himself / herself and the influence of another is just not needed.

Lets talk Jalal and Jodha - They cannot change each other - Jodha cannot change Jalal and Jalal cannot change Jodha - Both have to do it on their own - Jalal has to evolve on his own and Jodha has to evolve on her own - I have now used the term 'Evolve' in place of 'Change' becoz that would be a better term.

Only Love has the power to change a person and make him or her evolve. And both Jodha and Jalal need to evolve and they can only do this when Love touches them - For those who believe that Jodha is perfect I would like to say that she has myopic vision who cannot see beyond her own nose. The day she understands Love is to accept the dark with the light (of self) - to accept the ego and the soul (of self) she will evolve.

As for Jalal - all his supporters do believe he has the makings of greatness and yes all do believe he does need to evolve - And he will since he has already been touched by love (he just needs to adjust to it) - Jodha is not the one who will or can change him. Jalal is on the path to understanding that his ego and his soul are two sides of the same coin and once he accepts both he will evolve.

And from what I have seen in the serial so far - The character of Jalal is far better placed to be touched by Love than Jodha - The reason being - Love can only exist where there is no fear - And the Jalal that the writers have created does not have any fear but the Jodha we are seeing on television is riddled with fear.

One of the major problems with hindi serials, when it comes to Love stories, is that they do not get their premise correct. The premise is that one person can change another which unfortunately is not true and is a very hollow premise. Only Love has the power to change and Love can only happen when there is no fear. If our writers can just understand this basic fact we may get better stories which make more impact and be more watchable.


Originally posted by sashashyam

My dear Adiana,

A very persuasive analysis.

To my mind, when you love someone - a husband, a boyfriend, a child - you should love them as is, and not try to change them to suit you. Any change should come at the initiative of that person, because he/she wants to change. Whether it is to please you or because that person feels a need to change, the end result will be a happy one. But if one loves another with the one point agenda of 'reforming' him/her, the experiment will fail, and the love as well.

I take it that the fear you are referring to is the fear of losing, whether losing the love or the beloved. Jalal is, as you correctly point out, not afraid of rejection and a lack of reciprocity; he had in fact come to terms with the latter, and it was only what he saw as Jodha leading him on and then humiliating him that drove him to fury. Jodha, as you again see correctly, is mortally afraid that Jalal will get her to fall in love with him and then ditch her. Now, there being no way to prove a negative, her fear can only be overcome thru a leap of faith.

Jalal has the seeds of nobility and greatness in him to begin with, and he will bring them out and strengthen these traits on his own. I only hope Jodha gains the wisdom to do the same on her own as well.

But even if she does so, I feel that she is constitutionally incapable of loving Jalal with the kind of all consuming love that he is capable of, the deewaangee that would count the world well lost for the beloved. Do see my response to ngayou above; it will amuse you!

Shyamala


Hi Shyamala,

Have been reading posts on forum and giving my little piece and so am late with my response here.

The fear of Jodha that I am refering to is losing - not the beloved or love - but herself - and this is the only fear that holds a person back from taking that final leap - and this has been used even in the show where Jodha says that she does not understand a love that makes one loose his/her 'Astitva'. This is the fear that is holding her back and that is making her myopic. And this is the fear that I do not see in Jalal's characterization. In fact I actually see a Jalal who wants this, which is what has me intrigued despite the silliness of the past couple of weeks. I still cannot get the words of Jalal when he went to Jodha out of my head - beautifully said it was!!!

As for what I desire - I heard the 'Laal Ishq' song of SLB's Ram Leela and I was totally stunned by the lyrics - ek toh the lyrics are just not SLB - that man does not understand Ishq the way these lyrics portray and the film definitely is not the Ishq that is the essence of these lyrics. But this is what I would like to see as a love story, what the lyrics of this song convey - am presenting those parts of the lyrics which have taken the wind out of my sails -

Tujh sang bair lagaya aisa, Raha na main phir apne jaisa
Apna naam badal dun, Ya tera naam chhupa lun
Ya chhod ke saari aag, Main vairaag utha lun
Mera naam ishq, Tera naam ishq
Mera naam, Tera naam, Mera naam ISHQ!
Ye laal ishq, ye malaal ishq, Ye aib ishq, ye bair ishq


The essence of the lyrics of this song is what I would like some writer to pen down as screenplay and dialogues and someone create it into a beautiful story on the canvas of television or cinema celluloid - And the fact that the poetry has happened gives me hope that soon the visual drama will follow. Someone will have the courage to present it!!!

Hope this gives some food for thought!!!
Edited by adianasr - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

You echo my own thoughts, my dear Sandhya, and so let us prepare for the worst this week, while still hoping for the best!

Yes, that episode no.31 was one of my favourites, and the post came out well too. I like that on par with the Gordian Knot one and the other recent one about human bondage. I will try and send you the full list of my posts very soon. From when have you been reading them?

No, Adham Khan will not be disappointed, for this one is better looking and he is hardly concerned about brains!

Shyamala Aunty

@red What a thought! It spares us from disappointment and still keeps us enthusiastic. Applicable for many situations in life.
@blue Almost as soon as I received the list. But as I have mentioned, I am a regular viewer only after episode 31. I had just watched a couple of episodes here and there prior. And once I started seeing, I read the reviews of the earlier episodes and watched only the ganghour track.
But in order to understand the depth, wit and humour of your posts and enjoy it to the fullest, I had to see the episodes fully and that's what I've been doing now . Thanks to your post episode 23: The heart prevails, I watched that episode which I would have otherwise have missed.
"Jalal and Bairam Khan in a tight embrace, silhouetted against the sky" - What an image it was! (Would you mind if I revive your earlier posts? Would it make it tedious for you?)
The more I see the earlier, episodes, I feel more despondent at the present version of Jalal.Cry Even the 'leg-cutter' was better than this vacant chap!!! At least he had substance, was complex, layered and interesting.
I am enjoying the earlier episodes and your posts very much.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#74
Sandhya, right up until the mohan track...everything was nearly perfect in this serial😭
It's been steadily downhill since then😕
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@adianasr, now that's an interesting angle for Jodha. Very possible as well. I like to think I understand Jodha sometimes. She is often deliberately obtuse about affairs of the heart and that is a defence mechanism. Personally, I distrust emotions, even my own. I have trained myself to keep a check on them. So feel them by all means but don't let them take hold of you, is more or less my motto. I see this in Jodha. Of course, this leads to myopia where all relationships are concerned. EQ is a bit on the low side. It usually takes some years and maturity to finally have eyes opened to a whole new world of empathy. There is a tendency to see everything from one point of view and it's as if no other pov is even possible!
But, such people can also have very deep sides to them that even they don't know they possess. ... hope that made some sense... 🤔


Edit Add : Also, just occurred to me - Jealousy is one of the few things that works on these Jodha-type personalities. It has something to do with the other clueless-with-romance traits. So CVs are actually getting it right?! And Jalal is super perceptive! Okay, let me run away before I see eggs and tomatoes whizzing past. ... but this is an honest opinion, honest.
Edited by PadBear - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi Shyamala Aunty
Agree with you word to word . Last week's episodes were a let down. I have been feeling lately that the CVs are not writing the script according to the lead characters but rather modifying the characters to suit their story line . Would like to put in a word about the "paalna " gift .The idea ,however well meant by Jodha was not so well meant . It could easily be interpreted as a taunt and without Maham's instigation . Secondly , no devotee of Kanhaa , would gift his paalna without the "laddoo Gopal jee " as North Indians call the infant Kanha who sits in the Paalna . Infact , an empty paalna is considered inauspicious . If they had to show it , they should have gone all the way then. I had made a fun post over the weekend inspired by the inconsistencies . See if you enjoy it Aunty .

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: adianasr

Dear Shyamala, Gr8 analysis.

And dear frnds who have all added to Shyamala's post - Gr8 job.

I did read everyone's comments!!!

Let me start by saying that I am late but as they say 'der aaye durust aaye' So hopefully I shall be durust.

Well Ekta Maiyya was the lady who sent me totally off from Television so I do understand the frustration amongst all of you. But this time when I actually tuned into JA - which was the epi where Jalal tells HB that he and Jodha are ek hi kashti pe sawaar - I was hooked!!! Oh boy let me tell all of you that for Ekta this is a big turn around and if she has done this then I will keep patience (though it will be more than a tad difficult - but then I have all of you to make me laugh my head off). For the first time an Ekta show has a male protagonist who despite the recent punches to his characterization seems to be more than just a cardboard cut out. And what gives me hope is that for all her faults (and she has many) Ekta is excellent with her research, though she does take a lot of creative liberties (some of them are OTT). So one thing which I am hopeful about is that she will not make a caricature of Akbar's character whatever she does with Jodha's character. Yes it does seem like she is mutilating Akbar as of now but I will keep my patience for a couple of weeks before I do call it quits.

As for the goings on of last week - I am still trying to make sense of nonsense so I dont think I will make sense as of now. Maybe this week brings some sense errr... some clarity!!! But in a nutshell what I saw is a Jodha who still has myopia and is refusing to introspect and a Jalal who is telling his Ameri Mirchi to widen her perspectives. As for the insult of 'The Night' - TE has neither forgotten nor forgiven - but what I feel is that his understanding of the insult has evolved. And I still maintain there has been no insult or making Jodha J from him yet. Benny baby is just 'Au fait' and DEK - well that was Jodha's own stupidity. As for the Meena Bazaar - I dont knw what it was - It seemed then as TE trying to understand where his Chudail is coming from but with the entry of MH I am toying with an entirely different theory which does fit my theory that Benny - MH are connected and the 3rd party in this unholy alliance - the teesri aankh - is not from Kabul but frm Hind (maybe Agra) and possibly from the holy order - Let us not forget that MH was the rallying point for the hardcore clerics who were upset with Akbar's tolerance - so why not the sorry tale getting its foundation now itself?????

So let's see what this week brings. As of now the major history that Ekta has not adhered to is the death of Atga, Adham and MA. I have a feeling that with this new angle we will soon see the exit of Adham and MA.


Oh ho now this is getting more and more interesting!!!

Just read the update given by Abhay and Kamal on the post of holi and Hakim and Vishkanya. They say that the poison girls would either carry poison in their mouth and transfer it into victim's mouth when they kissed to kill or - now pls note - smear their hands with poison and kill by scratching victim - Does this ring a bell with Jalal washing his hands????? Does TE knw what Benny baby is???? She did enter his chamber on her own initiative that day when she tried to cosy upto him!!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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😃😃😃 true!
I started watching JA because it is not a typical love story, loved the fiery proud brave Jodha so I hope they do not turn her into this docile little thing!


Originally posted by: sashashyam

I agree completely with you about the old Motibai. Yes, this one cannot even pronounce Benazir properly. As someone else noted, Adham Khan is going to get a shock when he emerges from prison and sees this changeling!

As for Jodha, I do not miss her earlier avatar, but this one is not appealing either; it is from one extreme to the other.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I read some comments here, feelings about this being Ekta Kapoor show etc. (everybody knows what I mean!)

I belong to those who stayed away from her serials. I think what Ekta started everybody else took not steps but miles further

I did not watch JodhaAkbar from start because it was by Ekta Kapoor
I got feedback it is not TYPICAL Ekta Kapoor and after watching just 2 episode I was hooked

If she reads this I want to tell Ekta Kapoor I LOVE THIS TAKE ON JODHA, I WATCH FOR THE FIERY PROUD BRAVE JODHA AND NOT GOODY 2 SHOES AKBAR SHE HAS SHOWN.

I guess it might take only Ekta Kapoor to drive others away from the ORIGINAL Ekta style shows.
Hope she keeps up the same way what we have watched in last few months. So then she is the one who might drive away sas bahus!




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Originally posted by: MaddyO

😃😃😃 <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">true!
I started watching JA because it is not a typical love story, loved the fiery proud brave Jodha so I hope they do not turn her into this docile little thing!</font>


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