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Posted: 11 years ago
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Meghana even though I am disappointment with the episode but i can understand where the track is leading..We get to jalaal feelings towards jodha, but for Jodha, she still in a friendship mode.

So this track will bring out Jodha feelings towards jalaal from firendship mode to lover & wife mode. Jodha keep comming to meet Jalaal and also waiting to see his reaction especially in returning Baazuband . She wants to get reactions from Jalaal, but him ignoring for Ben is hurting her.

If Jalaal is a friend to her then, she shouldn't be jealous of Ben just like Ruqu, but here Jodha is possessive about Jalaal, as somewhere she has accepted him and now she will want more from him & will give him much more where none have given him selfless love, a lover, a possessive wife, trusty person who can openly share your heart & . feelings, a soul-mate.

Jalaal will surely love this possessive wife Jodha -- as he allways a wanted to see this in Ruqu, but he will see this HUNAR in his Bhaagin and will much more latto over her.

I think along with Jodha feelings, we can get to know Jalaal breaking his trust in MA when the letter truth will comes out. Jalaal again will be much more hurt, as he hurted jodha, who is innocent when she keeps saying she didn't write anything in the letter and believed MA over her.

Now again the person who is close to him has betrayed him. Hope Jodha will give him comfort as with fake pregnancy BB betryal, while in this track MA betrayal to him will come out. Now Jalaal will have to much more careful especially the matters related to Jodha, and will support Jodha much more blindly like MA & Ruqu.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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One has to give to Benazir that she has a lot more perspective than a lot of people in Agra and definitely more than either MM or Ruq. Coming to think of it, even Adham has asked MM many times that why does she think Jalal doesn't care about Jodha when he is ready to do so much for her. Probably, the people we think of as dolts aren't that stupid afterall 😉

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Pals2411

According to me, this track is all about disovering feelings. Jodha has now start looking inwards. Thinking about why she is feeling hurt, humiliated and maybe even jealous. Similarly, I also want Jalal to know why he is looking at Jodha when Ruq and Ben are sitting beside him or why he is so annoyed and goes to his extremes with Jodha. (be it to save her pride or getting humiliated in the recent tracks),

But in these circumstances, I don't want Jodha to fall in love with Jalal. In fact I would like the other way round. Jalal is always surrounded by so many beautiful women ( begums, women in harem, Ben-like dancers, etc). For him it is all about getting close physically or getting attracted. I want him to realize love first. This is because Jodha is a strong character, a Rajvanshi. Once she realizes her feelings and knows that she loves him, she will be his forever. But I cannot say that for Jalal (unless and until he realizes it).
Also somehow I don't understand Jalal's intentions towards Ben. Why did he send her a dress as gift (revealing one that too), why was he teaching her sword fighting (also Jo's dress) when Jo was not around (this was certainly not done for creating jealousy. also why did he save Ben from drowning. I mean everyone in the forum says that Jalal has done so much for Jo including saving her from killing her self, then has he not done the same now for Ben? Getting confused. Anyways, Jalal will be in trouble for sure, if he keeps on insulting Jo.

Bang on, the track is showing us how MA's accelerated the love story. Ja I feel has already realized his love for Jodha, his confession indictaed that. Jodha is not that behind either..
Love is pure, not judgemental, neither is it about who falls first or last. Its something that just happens..To me it does not matter who falls in love first..It does not matter that Jalal has so many wives..If Jo loves him it has to be despite everything he owns (wives, relatives, faults in character). Ditto for Jalal as well. We have seen him love her the way she was in the past - teekhi tez tarrar mirch and chudail...I hope Jo can do the same, he has already proven himself many times..

He is hurt and by the one that means the most, right now he is inflicting the same pain back. Once he finds out the his trust in MA caused it (which I doubt as we need MA for more TRPs), he will own up and pay back. Just like he did during pregnancy track. Its so obvious that he doesn't give a damn abou Ben. He is doing all this only to put Jodha down as she put him down...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: abhi786

Meghana even though I am disappointment with the episode but i can understand where the track is leading..We get to jalaal feelings towards jodha, but for Jodha, she still in a friendship mode.

So this track will bring out Jodha feelings towards jalaal from firendship mode to lover & wife mode. Jodha keep comming to meet Jalaal and also waiting to see his reaction especially in returning Baazuband . She wants to get reactions from Jalaal, but him ignoring for Ben is hurting her.

If Jalaal is a friend to her then, she shouldn't be jealous of Ben just like Ruqu, but here Jodha is possessive about Jalaal, as somewhere she has accepted him and now she will want more from him & will give him much more where none have given him selfless love, a lover, a possessive wife, trusty person who can openly share your heart & . feelings, a soul-mate.

Jalaal will surely love this possessive wife Jodha -- as he allways a wanted to see this in Ruqu, but he will see this HUNAR in his Bhaagin and will much more latto over her.

I think along with Jodha feelings, we can get to know Jalaal breaking his trust in MA when the letter truth will comes out. Jalaal again will be much more hurt, as he hurted jodha, who is innocent when she keeps saying she didn't write anything in the letter and believed MA over her.

Now again the person who is close to him has betrayed him. Hope Jodha will give him comfort as with fake pregnancy BB betryal, while in this track MA betrayal to him will come out. Now Jalaal will have to much more careful especially the matters related to Jodha, and will support Jodha much more blindly like MA & Ruqu.

That's exactly right. Our MA is accelerating the love train, else Jo would be stuck in mitrata mode forever. Salim to pata nahin kab aata...

Somehow feel MA wont be out yet..TRPs ka sawal hai..How I happy I would be when she is out..But, yes you are right about Jalal's pain when he finds out about MA's betrayal. Seriously hope Jo is there to support Ja like he did in the past..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ann2012

One has to give to Benazir that she has a lot more perspective than a lot of people in Agra and definitely more than either MM or Ruq. Coming to think of it, even Adham has asked MM many times that why does she think Jalal doesn't care about Jodha when he is ready to do so much for her. Probably, the people we think of as dolts aren't that stupid afterall 😉

Well said Ann, dolts aren't stupid after all..

Sometimes two people fight about something and it can go on for years. An outsider comes and gives a simple advice and the two people will think how come we never thought about it. That's exactly the case with Jo. She has been living with Ja, but never understood how much importance Ja has been giving her. She was taking it for granted. Now that he does not give a hoot about her, she feels the pain. Ja has understood how much he wants to be loved by Jo and at the same time give that love back. He is deeply hurt and the wound is visible the moment Jo comes into picture or someone talks about Jo. These two dumbos are not thinking about the depth of their feeling, but to an outsider Ben its crystal clear..

You are right, Adham mentioned it many times that Ja always does whatever Jo wants. MA knows it too, she has gone and warned Ruqu about it manytimes. The thing though is that MA is overconfident and always calls victory too early..poor thing will then realize Jo ko kum aankana bahut badi galti hai..
Edited by meghanajain - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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A wonderful analysis! Always loved reading ur posts
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: disha15

A wonderful analysis! Always loved reading ur posts

Thanks Disha, love reading these kind of sweet comments!😛
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: meghanajain

Bang on, the track is showing us how MA's accelerated the love story. Ja I feel has already realized his love for Jodha, his confession indictaed that. Jodha is not that behind either..
Love is pure, not judgemental, neither is it about who falls first or last. Its something that just happens..To me it does not matter who falls in love first..It does not matter that Jalal has so many wives..If Jo loves him it has to be despite everything he owns (wives, relatives, faults in character). Ditto for Jalal as well. We have seen him love her the way she was in the past - teekhi tez tarrar mirch and chudail...I hope Jo can do the same, he has already proven himself many times..

He is hurt and by the one that means the most, right now he is inflicting the same pain back. Once he finds out the his trust in MA caused it (which I doubt as we need MA for more TRPs), he will own up and pay back. Just like he did during pregnancy track. Its so obvious that he doesn't give a damn abou Ben. He is doing all this only to put Jodha down as she put him down...

Yes. Even I feel the misunderstanding about the letter wont get solved and MA wont be caught. She is still needed for more masala and TRPs. Ben I feel is trying to ape Jodha to take her place. Jalal too will fall for that. However might be her secret agenda will get revealed and Jodha might bail Jalal out. Though the trust factor will be shattered a bit, their feelings for each other will come to the fore during this track.
Edited by Pals2411 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Beauiful, Meghana, and very thoughtful, especially the parts @blue..My comments are in red.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: meghanajain

Today's episode was all about Jodha and how this new changed Jalal is affecting her big time. I had wondered many times in the past as to why Jodha never appreciates what all Jalal has done for her. She never acknowledged that he kept all his promises and also the one he never gave (ratri vyatit). Jalal went to an extreme of resigning himself just so that he could keep his promise. After the suicide track, we saw Jalal being extremely patient towards nakchadi badtameez Jodha. Even, then I wondered why Jalal is taking the crap and why Jodha does not understand how much Jalal is putting up with her. It looks like all those efforts of Jalal did not go waste after all. Our Ameri mirchi unknowingly got very used to that pleasant Jalal, the one who thinks a world about her. Somewhere inside she understood without Jalal saying it in words that she means a lot to him. So then when all her wounds were healed by Jalal, she was ready to acknowledge her respect/admiration/trust in him. Jodha without much hesitation for the first time told Hamida that she would give this relationship a try. Very obliging and condescending of her, I am sure!

Now that Jalal is not giving her the same attention and respect, she is unable to digest it. Its sad but true, that actual value of a possession is felt only when its not with us. Jodha has been made to believe now that Jalal does not consider her special and she does NOT like it one bit. Except that it is not just that he wants to give the impression that he does not consider her special, but also that he considers her beneath his notice.

We used to see Jalal find excuses to see Jodha and sometimes demand it in Shenshah style. Jodha again, deep down understood that Jalal desired her company. We saw Jalal praise Jodha hazaar times, to the point where it irritated me.

Now, Jodha does not know what to do without that warm person that bestowed so much importance to her. Jodha has always been all about self-respect, pride and Amer. She fought with Jalal many times to protect these core attributes of her. Yet, now she is in stage where her pride is taking a backseat. She is finding excuses to see Jalal or demand it in Jalal way (loved her EKAANT few days back). A few visits to Jalal are all results of her missing Jalal and being around him. He had insulted her royally and publicly, but she is back to return the gift. Jodha was not trying to insult Jalal at all by returning the gift (although Jalal took it that way), she was using it as an excuse to see him and hear Jalal refusal in taking the gift back. She badly needed some kind of hint from Jalal that he still cares. I wont be surprised if she makes an excuse of wanting her old anklet back just to see him again.

Jodha is going through the same cycle that Jalal went through. Jalal has already realized Jodha's importance in his life, its Jodha's turn to do so now. The more she lets go of her pride, the easier she will be able to get to this realization.

I did not like the new Moti at all. She does not know how to act and on top of it her demeanor was that of dasi, not Jodha's friend. Moti yet again helps her by asking the right questions and stating important facts. Moti forgive your friend, ek to Jalal usko bhaav nahin de raha aur uppar se Benazir ko kuch jyada hi de raha hai.


I agree that the new Moti is most unsatisfactory. She cannot get her lines right, and cannot even pronounce Benazir properly. The exchange between her Jodha was interesting in that it merely demonstrated that what apni Jodha misses is not Jalal, but the excessive bhav he gave her, and the khaas begum position as well.

This is only a variation of the theme I had developed in one of my earlier posts, that what Jodha will come to love is not Jalal ,but the eager grateful pupil that he had become. '

Now that is gone, and it is time for her to wake up and smell the coffee, Good!! I hope the old Jalal does not come back any time soon.

I liked Jodha's responses to Benazir, her anger is with Jalal only and she does not show it on Benazir. Imagine Ruqu in this situation, she would have fired Benazir and kicked her out of Agra. Benazir though has understood very well that Jodha is jealous and Jalal is angry with his khaas begum. Benazir plans to take advantage of this situation or so she thinks.

My take on this is different.

Benazir's neat jab about being ready to accept ANY utaran of Jodha's was pointedly double meaning. Now Jodha did try to hold her own, but it was not a terrain that suits her, and she ended up always looking both defensive and inadequate.

For example, that bit about the Shahenshah giving anything he chooses to a daasi, simply rolled off KT like water off a duck's back, and her comeback was far more to the point. Lastly, Jodha's remark about the Shahenshah choosing to pamper one pigeon or the other when the mood took him, and that this should not make that pigeon feel too big for its boots, was especially ill chosen, for it would apply perfectly to Jodha herself, and her present state.

And no, Ruqaiya would never have dared to drive Benazir out, for she would have known that Jalal would show her up by bringing his khaas tohfa right back. She would have handled the KT with casual dismissiveness.

Jalal must be thinking, yeh Tansen to meri biwi ki bhasha bol raha hai. She had earlier given him a lecture about Sangeet. Today, Jalal got a different one from Tansen. Jalal is the king of kings, yet is not consumed by this power. No wonder, Tansen understood Jalal and admitted that he respects Jalal. Tansen challenges Jalal many times on the gift and about visiting Agra, but Jalal lets him get away inspite of those disobedience. Its because Jalal loves people who are upfront and are not scared of expressing their views. I so hope that the reason Tansen moves to Agra is because of Jalal's some TEDA chaal.

As for Ram Tannu Pandey,the man is unbelievable in his sustained pompousness and arrogance. I assume his patron, the Maharaja of Rewa, kept him on praise and fresh air as rewards, since he despises gold and silver, and thus saved a lot of money into the bargain. !😉😉That whole scene, patently tailored to add one more coat of gilt to Jodha's halo, was artificial and unconvincing thru and thru. All Maharajas gave samman to their artists in terms of gold and jewels and silk angavastrams, which were accepted graciously. \

This chap is as self-righteous as his protegee. She should have been married to some fakir, so that she could rejoice in poverty and high thinking, without having anything to do with gold or silver!.

Precap: Jodha is unable to sleep with the new colors (green and red) in her life. She is thinking about Jalal and gets worried seeing him run. Poor Jodha is in for some more of green color in her life. For a good bit more, I hope, for it will take that long for any sense to penetrate into her cerebellum, not to speak of her medulla oblongata!😉

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Wise words, Meghana. But where is the see saw?

Shyamala

Originally posted by: meghanajain

Ela, I always think of a seesaw when I think about you. Breathe Ela Breathe..😉
Jodha has not been able to understand Jalal so far because of her pride and self righteousness. You want her to go back to that mode so that she never realizes her love for Jalal. Not a good advice for Jodha if you are her supporter.
Why are you not considering Jalal's POV? He has been manipulated and will be also few more times till JaJo are solid. As far as he knows, he has been rejected. His ego is giving back to Jodha royally. If he made a mistake of humiliating her in public then Jodha made a mistake of calling his feelings lust.
Your advice to Jalal is also wrong, as he does not give a damn about Benazir. All he wants is his chudali mirchi..

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