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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">The new Moti is pathetic.She stumbles over her lines, and cannot even pronounce Benazir properly,. She would find it easier with khaas tohfa, don't you agree?

It was a very bad decision by them to change her. It detracts from the overall impact of the serial, just as the disappearance of Abdul did.

Shyamala Aunty


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aunty I think they had no choice and didnt have much time to get a new replacement.. I feel the actress left on her own and she was really good..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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My dear Pallavi,

Now that you mention it, masth is just about the perfect word!

It must be telepathy, but the 2 points about the shamsheer practice outfit and the full dress hamaam occurred to me too. I mentioned the first to Lashy above, and the second in a comment on Tripti's thread as follows:

What I want to know, Tripti dear, is does she always bathe with all her clothes on, or is this excessive modesty only for the audience's benefit? It looks absolutely ridiculous.

Next question, is her chamku outfit drip dry, and will it not burn a hole in the Balaji production budget for Jodha Akbar if if shrinks or the colours run, and so it needs replacement?

As for Ram Tannu, the less said the better. The man is unbelievable in his sustained pompousness and arrogance. I assume his patron, the Maharaja of Rewa, kept him on just praise and fresh air as rewards, since he despises gold and silver, and thus saved a lot of money into the bargain. !😉

That whole scene, patently tailored to add one more coat of gilt to Jodha's halo, was artificial and unconvincing thru and thru. All Maharajas gave samman to their artists in terms of gold and jewels and silk angavastrams, which were accepted graciously.

This chap is as self-righteous as his protegee. She should have been married to some fakir, so that she could rejoice in poverty and high thinking, without having anything to do with gold or silver! And not going around daily looking like a Christmas tree on Dec. 25, under a cartload of clinking jewellery!

And how was Jalal expected to know the significance of Om? Here you have Jodha, who has not, in months for being in Agra, learnt a single word of Urdu or adapted in any way to Mughal etiquette, and Jalal is expected to look for Hindu symbols to reward this arrogant singer?

Jodha barging in from behind the purdah with her gift was par for the course, she does that all the time. When she was told by Jalal not to enter his room without his permission, that was a red letter day for me!

Of course her Ammijaan looks on with a fatuous smile of great approval. And not one of them has any disapproval for the singer's rudeness towards the Shahenshah, except for Mahaam.

Nor does RTP have any appreciation or gratitude for the unstinting admiration and respect he is shown by the whole Mughal court. But I was not surprised.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: pallavi003

aunty it's really a treat and a pleasure to read your mastt take on last two episodes..:-):-)

those episodes were really fun to watch,but the ridiculous thing was that ben got fitted in jo's sword practice dress, I mean wow, how can cvs miss such fine details, sometime I feel,not only jalal,the cvs have problems in eyes too..:-D:-D:-D:-D..

And I didn't understand what pandu ji was trying to convey while said that he felt bad for jo being a hindu,she is stuck among mughals.
I mean had he gone out of his mind?? Couldn't he see that jo was practicising her religion being among mughals,that so openly,
wore dress as a hindu queen, and didn't he has any idea that any mughal never accompany her to temple, but that never means that jo is lonely in agra..couldn't he figure it out that without shahensha's permission she couldn't practice her religion,her worshipping,how much freedom did he mean jo could get had she been married to any other rajwanshi..

and the third jo took bath with full clothes on..:-D:-D:-D

fourth- in the DEK scene she came forward to gift without even asking shahensha,I mean now it's been 6 months,still cvs don't follow the etiquets of a mughal court, I mean it's so obvious in every royal family.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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If Jodha,my dear, can, after listening to Jalal pouring his innermost feelings to her that night, still say that she saw only SKLL (stree ke liye lalasa) in his eyes, she needs to see an oculist and a psychiatrist one after the other, as someone put it so pithily.

Every woman, and not just a courtesan, is supposed to have a feminine instinct that alerts her to when a man is in love with her, or so we (and may be I am ancient and thus out of date😉) were told in our girlhood days. Jodha clearly defeats this maxim.

I do not see where the question of Jalal preferring Jodha to the KT (khaas tohfa) even arises. He does not care a hoot for the KT, which she, being intuitive and sharp, realises at once. He is also, even in his persistent state of rage and humiliation, unable to keep his eyes off Jodha. So that statement is a non sequitur.

As for Jodha, I can only cite what I wrote on my suddenly resurrected first ever post in this forum ( Ekta's Emperor Jalaluddin Mohammed: an assessment, of June 30, 2013, which seems to be enjoying an unexpected new vogue), in response to a request from some that I write a similar assessment for Jodha.

"While I have come round to feeling that Paridhi is perfectly cast as Jodha, being so very beautiful and trying her very best, I have very serious reservations about Jodha as a character, and I would feel the same even if she was a contemporary character.

She is exactly like an standard issue Ekta heroine, who is built up and praised and hyped to excess by the script, and her failings are religiously glossed over. If only the script would acknowledge her flaws, that would be so much better, and I would welcome her as a complex, interesting, grey character. But no, she HAS to be flawless, and coated with Apex Ultima, like the house in the Asian Paints ad!

It is not that I am a Rajat/Jalal fan, I am too old to be anyone's fan, but I like both Jalal as a character, with all his flaws, and Rajat as an actor very much. I cannot say the same for Jodha. I try very hard to be fair to her; for example, in my Heartbreak ++ post, I wrote that her pushing Jalal was natural and should not be criticised. But overall, I do not like her character.

So if I wrote an honest assessment of her as a character and of Paridhi playing her, I would have to say that the poor girl was struggling (wo)manfully with a poorly written character. And then even you, my dears, would not like It. So what is the point of my wasting my time and yours? Would you not agree?"

As for the Red Riding Hood comparison, she is nowhere near as green, is our Jodha. The times I have liked her a lot was when she was being street smart, as when she cons Jalal into giving up the Ratanpur fort by falling on Mahaam's neck and apologising to all and sundry, including the shahi kutta billi. That was superb. What I dislike is this eternal preachiness and self-righteousness,

And if she had been married to Maharana Udai Singh of Mewar, she would have been eaten alive by his third Rani Dheerbaiji, who would make both Mahaam and Lady Macbeth look like convent schoolgirls, and is magnificent in her sustained and wily malevolence.So it is not as if it is Agra alone which is so dangerous; any royal household might have been the same, other than Bhanpur and Amer, of course.

To sum up, I had looked forward to a Jodha who would be feisty and intelligent and coolly self-possessed, capable of holding her own against an emperor without being petty or smart alecky or plain rude. One who could face any calamity with fortitude and resourcefulness, instead of weeping like a tap in full flow and lamenting her fate to Moti. I would have cheered myself hoarse for that Jodha as she brought a turbulent, haughty and arrogant Jalal to heel in slow stages.

What we seem to have here is a typical Ekta female lead, who is always right no matter what she does and how she behaves. Jodha to me looks much like Archana and Purvi of PR, obsessed with their maternal parivaars and pushing the men unfortunate enough to have fallen for them relentlessly on the backfoot till they have been reduced to doormats. And this while having the height of the pedestal on which they are perched being steadily raised by the admiring multitudes

Moreover, I do not want to have to choose between Jalal and Jodha. Why should our liking for the two of them be a zero sum game? I want to be able to like and admire BOTH of them.

But as things stand, I am, increasingly, unable to relate to this Jodha at all. She is a major disappointment: opinionated, obstinate, blinkered, and self-righteous. Where is the strong, intelligent, resourceful Diana-cum-Juno that I had wanted? Instead, we have this Shahi Begum who, instead of being coolly dismissive of the KT and not giving her any opening for her deliberate impertinence, actually stoops to an exchange with her.

Oh, Lord, how long this has become! My apologies. I hasten to add that none of the above is aimed at bringing you around to my point of view!😉

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: PadBear


yes it could be termed fun and made some of us nostalgic for the 70s. But the courtesan being clued in about Jalal is a given isn't it? Her speciality is the male psyche. So how to compare poor Jodha with Benazir? I...and I suspect Jalal, would definitely prefer blinkered Jodha.

I must say your dislike for Jodha (which you are very entitled to express in any which way), has helped me. I was more enamoured with Jalal, but am now falling for her highness. She has that endearing quality of being half aware and also blissfully unaware of a lot of things. I'm drawn to the fact that she's still little red riding hood living in unfamiliar and even dangerous surrounds. Still sleeps with a dagger does she.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thank you, Munni. Your comments are very apt, especially the last line, which just about says it all!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: munnirony

hi aunty another excellent post indeed. i know we r not liking jalal's behavior towards jodha, but if sumthing extreme wont happen how will both jodha & jalal realize love for each other??? jalal's goody goody behavior can never bring out jodha from the friendship mode. as u had pointed out once, if she has to feel love for jalal, she has to miss him. she has to the miss the jalal who supported her during the religion change issue, who organized tht grand b'day celebration for her, who had always openly praised her for her talents. & similarly, this track will help jalal to know the real meaning of love. obviously, he had fallen for jodha & admires her but still he is not totally in love.

wht im liking about the whole track is tht jalal's ignorance is effecting jo. as per her conversation with moti jo didnt liked the fact tht jalal didnt gave her time. she liked the fact tht jalal gave her imp. in his life. obviously, jalal will one day realize his mistake & repent but in the mean time its necessary to develop sum feelings in jodha as well, or how will the love story progress??? only jalal's feelings cant make a love story.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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My dear,

I agree with you unreservedly, and I too had noted that for Jalal to do what he did publicly was unseemly and not worthy of him, though I had gone on to try and explain why he did behave that way.

There is one point, brought out by Adianasr, which puzzles me. The Begum next in rank after Ruqaiya is Salima. Why does that never occur to Jodha, and why does she stand up and come forward automatically?

Your PS is very, very pertinent.
I realised that when I was watching that episode again the other day. Jodha's new determination to do something, anything, to save the Jalal-Ruqaiya marriage is directly related to Ruqaiya's lashing out at her.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: ngayou

Enjoyed reading some of the brilliant points u ve made, Aunty 😊 . So u like Benu baby 😆 . But anyways she seems quite a smart woman ( more than our tubelighty Jo, for sure 😉 ). Am not able to make out what exactly her motives are for being there, so I ll reserve my comments on that.

Though am not exactly enjoying the way this track has been taken, but still like it that Jodha has at last started showing some signs of jealousy atleast. If this makes her realise her love for her 'Mitr' then all the more good. But I dont want Jalal publicly humiliating her for what happened in the confines of four walls to achieve this. Dont want that at all just like I used to previously dislike Jodha insult Jalal publicly when in her ghrina phase. But hopefully , after Hamida s reprimand to him yday Jalal would heed that .

Trying to look forward to this somewhat shabby & not very convincing track. Hope it s better handled than the previous Tasneem track. And thanks for the pm 😊

PS: If Ruqqu helps in this track, well & good for her bcos she s basically shown herself to be fair. But let s not forget that Jodha Begum herself helped Ruq in the last case only bcos Ruq was time & again blaming her the reason for her divorce, which indirectly she was indeed 😉. So if Ruqqu is busy with her hookah & enjoying doing nothing now then I wont exactly blame her 😛

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thank you so much.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: mdeshpande

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A very good post indeed. Nice take on the episode.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thank you, my dear Noopur.

As for the instinctive, knee-jerk solidarity with Jodha across the forum, Sandhya had put it the best in her comment on this thread, when she says:

Jodha screams at Jalal - She is fearless, strong and independent-thinking.
Jalal screams at Jodha - He is an MCP, cruel and dominating.
Ruqaiya is mad at a probable loss of position with Jalal and the court - she is audha-seeking and 'mahathvakanshi' and selfish

Jodha is mad at probable loss of position with Jalal and the court.- She is grief-stricken, 'apmaanith' and truly cares for Jalal even without realizing it.

As for Ram Tannu Pandey, one is at a loss for words to describe him!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: noopur

amazing analysis👍🏼
i am totally agree with u
thank god someone is here who doesn't consider jalal as raakhass pati
otherwise everyone here are calling jalal as cruel and heartless husband,but i don't know why?😔
all wants that jalal has to give evrything and all respect to jodha but he can't expect same from her and whenever she disrespects him or hurts him that's cool
but when he do something like that he becomes raakhash pati ?
and well about jodha i can't understand her neverever
and now i just don't like this tansenji he is so so irritating and egosting
and last but not least rajat toaks u r the best best always❤️

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thanks, my dear Alakh, but what precisely was this for? For the fakir option?

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thank you so much, Akanksha.

No, no, my dear, you do not want that, surely? She is already his fangirl, along all those hyperventilating begums! 😉

I knew she could not stop RTP, when the Shahenshah does not say a word to hold him back, and no wonder. In his place, I would not want to be insulted daily either!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: Akanksha_33

You're posts are truly amazing to read... 😊

But i want Jo to become a fan girl of Ramtanuji... just to bug Jalal... it will be funny to see if she stops Ramtanuji...and Jalal gets irritated by that fact...

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Yes, you do, Sneha.

Ruqaiya will do nothing until some sort of crisis threatens, and she is wise to keep her distance from this French farce. Queens in those days were used to these kinds of sudden infatuations (as she sees it) of their royal spouses with some passing fancy.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: juggaad


True. But is Ruqaiyya being clever in this matter? It feels right that she is ignoring it because that is what she is and in a way it is very dignified. She has no reason to be jealous unlike Jodha who, ofcourse is quiet confused at the moment and fortunately or unfortunately is unaware of that fact. As long as Ruqaiyya isn't forgotten.
I feel like I have jumped off to some random tangent. I hope it makes sense Aunty.😊

Originally posted by: sashashyam

I am glad you see Benazir as I do. I too wish she was a really gorgeous Mata Hari type. This one is too crudely built, but her character is very promising.

As for Mahaam vis a vis, Ruqaiya, Mahaam is very shrewd, and she senses right from the beginning that Jodha will begin to have game changing influence on Jalal because she has no personal agenda except her dogooding. With a Jalal more and more under Jodha's influence, Mahaam's hold on Jalal will correspondingly weaken. Remember what Jodha tells her in Amer after the (first) handing over of the Ratanpur fort? Maine apne pati to apne saath kar liya hai. That is what Mahaam is afraid of. With Ruqaiya, there is no such danger to Mahaam's position.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

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