Mughals - JA(REAL) is not Fiction-Pt4 - Author/TM's note on Pg1 and 91 - Page 5

Minor Updates - on Pages - 6,8,9,14,16

Though something is there on every page..New updates on following page..
Page 6 - MUZ
Page 8 - Tansen and Mughal dresses(updated)
Page 9 -'Wali Ni'maat'.another title given to Heera Kunwari.apart from MUZ
Page 14 - Mughal dresses(new update)
Page 16 - Some OLD graves unearthed..!!..About MUZ..

Originally posted by: Meself

A few days back I caught hold of a really tattered book that was undoubtedly a thousand years old(!).The book was sans author or publication house's name.

But the book spoke of a lady in Akbar's reign who was powerful enough to decide the state's foreign policy and not only that she had once waged a war and under her leadership the Mughal Army had emerged victorious.
Now my mind obviously flashed Jodha's name...
I would still want a confirmation of the sorts!!

Hi.😊

Well..
You mentioned MANY things..

Feel great to come across people who read genuine matter.
Kudos to u..👏.(and to me also..👏.)... because i have also come across such accounts.👍🏼.which you have mentioned...

Well...you said u forget the name of that book...No problems...I remember...I have the name of "that" book along with author names and even the page numbers...But, ryt now m mentioning, what i read there...I will put up a future posts where foreign accounts talk about Mariam Zamani...There will give the details...

Coming back...Foll. are "Facts" about MUZ..

1. Regarding War

Only lady in ENTIRE Mughal period, to command a cavalry of 12,000..!!(no other lady HAD THIS POWER or PRIVILEGE, not even Nur Jahan...)...
Again, a cavalry of 12,000 meant a lot those days. Only, king and 2 other MAJOR COMMANDERS, had this power...
So, in Entire sultanate-->ONLY 4 people had this power...

(From, accounts of Portuguese travellers.)
This info is also on my Part-1 thread.

Conclusion:
So, she could have waged a battle.. Who could be other QUEEN, in Akbar's time...considering above facts and powers with her..??. Agreed, she must NOT have participated personally. May be under her orders forces fought...

2. Regarding Foreign Policy

Again, it is possible. She traded with the Portuguese merchants. Had the IMPERIAL Ships under her control. The most famous is Rahimi.
The portuguese captured HER ship many times from.

ist around 1578-79...This time Salima Begum and Gulbadan Begum were on Haj..
2nd in 1609.
3rd in 1611.
finally 4th time in 1613...(all this is in part-1 thread..)

actually it was a bone of contention between mughals and portuguese.. as it was unrivalled for its huge size. It could carry 1500 people at a time..way back in 1577 A.D...(comparable to TITANIC, 400 years back.!!!!)

So, the Portuguese wanted trading concessions from Mughals, in Surat...
For, this they ALWAYS tried to capture the queen's ship...
Coz they were of the reason that, by capturing her ship--> they could easily harass the emperor and get trading concessions...
But, harassing Akbar was not their cup of tea.😆

Again same mistake was done, during Jahangir's reign, when her mother's ship was captured in 1613. But he RESPONDED in TOTAL ANGER.😡And, even in a more fierce manner than his father...😡..He sent his Favourite Governor to fight against them. And immediately ordered total shutdown of Portuguese activities in Agra and other places..

This EVENT is considered as a turning point in Indian History.
And, Portuguese literature mentions this as the INFLUENCE Of the Queen on her son.

This is despite the FACT that Nur Jahan also traded with them, and it was a LOSS for her, coz if Portuguese suffer, ultimately her trade will suffer. Still, Roe has recorded this event 'indirectly' portraying the precedence of MUZ over Nur Jahan..!!.since that act was a loss to NJ...a very remote possibility..But, it happened...

The following are famous lines which explain the above WAR-->>

" This episode is considered to be an example of the struggle for wealth that would later ensue and lead to colonization of the Indian sub-continent. "

I feel this clears her command over foreign policy to some EXTENT...More in future threads...

👍🏼..

Originally posted by: history_geek

Even there was a SEPARATE section about this in the chronicles, which talked about ::>>

1.WOMEN adornment..
2.their jewels...
3.Even their methods of dressing up..(i do not know all this..😕..)

So, i did not read all those things..U see..this is not my..domain..😊..
(i mean, what will i get reading about how women dressed themselves..)😆

If had i written all that, it would have become another NEW thread.!!.So, i left it..


BTW, ur answer::>>>

I skipped that part in Ain-i-Akbari...

But, i read something regarding it, in another book..

Italian traveller, Niccolao Manucci..
Manucci was in the court of Mughals.
Also, he served in the service of a Raja of Amber.(name forgotten..)

In his book, Memoirs of Mughal Court, probably page-37..😕

He has written in his accounts--- "Hindoo women used vermillion(sindoor) in their hair parting..And a dot in the middle of their forehead.. "..

This is also given in following book..
Hindu Women, By Altekar
page-300

So,
I feel this DOT on forehead means bindi..??

And this is my GUESS -->>
"Women used a vermillion tika instead of bindi..
Probably, bindi was not there at that time...(Its my guess..)...
ALSO, again, in the show, Jo is not using bindi.
She is actually using a vermillion tika...Did u observe before..??😉
If u have not observed...u may see TODAY.😉
"

Hope..m not wrong..😕..

Originally posted by: history_geek

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@soniluvsrt..

Plz remove this info above.

Its HIGHLY disputed...May land u in another trouble..😕

Originally posted by: SoniLuvsRT

Information isn't a new😉 but see the errors r new🤣

🤣

Hmm..
So, finally after so many attempts..
U removed it...

Yes, it was a total non-sense...
I can even give u books---which say...MUZ was not Salim's mother..😊
And, even that she was NOT the eldest daughter of Raja Bharamal..
And, even such books which say ALL those things which will make the people here go berserk.if i post here...
😆
Afterall, i mentioned before also..Books of NEW - DESI - " SELF TAUGHT" Indian authors should be carefully scrutinized..

Originally posted by: history_geek

Hmm..
So, finally after so many attempts..
U removed it...

Yes, it was a total non-sense...
I can even give u books---which say...MUZ was not Salim's mother..
And, even that she was NOT the eldest daughter of Raja Bharamal..
And, even such books which say ALL those things which will make the people here go berserk.if i post here...

Afterall, i mentioned before also..Books of NEW - DESI - " SELF TAUGHT" Indian authors should be carefully scrutinized..

Once, you keep MANY accounts in front of you..And, try to match them..
<font color="#FF0000">Surely, then one can remove the rice from the chaff..<font>

lol u r talking abt MUZ was'nt a Sallim's mom but u know wht i read.." MUZ wasn't Akbar's wife " seriously🤣 nonsense🤣🤣🤣

I know better wht is the truth & which a/c r trustworthy...😳 but when i read all stuff...then & there u came in my mind & i'z unable to stop myself..😆 still i'm unable to stop my laugh🤣🤣🤣

Originally posted by: SoniLuvsRT

I know better wht is the truth & which a/c r trustworthy...😳 but when i read all stuff...then & there u came in my mind & i'z unable to stop myself..😆 still i'm unable to stop my laugh🤣🤣🤣

Are...
It's a common sense,😆 also many times...
one can decipher it easily..

Even, i was laughing reading that info which u posted..😆
And, got it on internet..when i searched..
U must have also posted...that from there only..

And, u see, the moment it lands on wikipedia or any other newspaper, it will become a new truth on Akbar...😆...created in 21st century..

Wow, thanks for such fun+ informative topic/post Abhay.Jewelry and dresses,their styles are favorites anytime. and now perhaps we will appreciate more the efforts taken by various people involved with the show.

Originally posted by: mdeshpande

Wow, thanks for such fun+ informative topic/post Abhay.Jewelry and dresses,their styles are favorites anytime. and now perhaps we will appreciate more the efforts taken by various people involved with the show.

👏 this is for your efforts!

also now that Tansen has been introduced, does Akbar's biography mentions anything , some anecdotes etc, about Muz, Jalal's love for music??

Thnx.😊

yes..I read about Tansen also..In different book..
I do not remember exact pages, but somehow telling you.
Ain-i-Akbari,1, p-600(approx.).there is a mention about the royal musicians..there..

Abul Fazl(read Akbar, because whatever he is writing is infact on Akbar's order only.So, i ll use Akbar now..)

Such a BEAUTIFUL description was given..
I am telling what i remember.. I was a pleasure reading it.

So,
Akbar describes that, Mian Tansen is a singer of such breed who has not been seen in Hindustan for the last 1000 years..

YES...
There is a reference, with respect to the royal ladies..It just flattered me..😉..
I was "gone" for a few moments..😆

It reads-->>(what all i can recall..from my notes..do not have the book now..)

"
The wonderful power of this "charm" of music can not be described.

It causes the "heart" of the "beautiful creatures of the IMPERIAL household" to shine with their tongue.(i feel this means that ladies also started singing..?)(he is not talking about baandis...this is imperial..u see...)

Also, there was a line there, which "probably" meant that even the royal ladies used to start playing the instruments..!!...(it was mentioned that the ladies' heart reached to string and cords.!.that's why i deciphered so.)

The melodies enter through ear and take first seat.😆

And, the "hearts", brings with them thousands of gifts.(this means i feel heart of the emperor and his ladies.!!..and courtiers also..)

Anyone who hears it feels either joyful or sorrow.(on a lighter note, i feel this means , ya to insaan shant ho jata tha ya phir Ashant, after listening the music.)

When order is given to sing,the wine of harmony flows, which increases intoxication in some, and self-control in others.(again this points to 2 extreme qualities..i think u got it...WHICH QUALITIES...???😉)...(jalal mein to intoxication hi increase hogi..i feel...as per the spoiler..!!..)
"


The above info is what which i inferred from that book...as i deduced..
The sort of English which is there in the book is 😕. It takes time of understand it.
Plz verify also.
I am not deliberately trying to showcase romance here.
The book itself uses such "intoxicating" words that i need not exaggerate all that info.😆.

BTW:
In that account, heart and intoxication were frequently used words.


This was not the topic. Just u asked about Music.So i wrote this...😊
I feel this answers you question..
Many of ur related answers have already been covered in pages in between.

To all FRIENDS here, Do HIT likes..ESPECIALLY for this answer..👍🏼..
aur kabhi kabhi by mistake, comment bhi kar dia karo..😳