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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thank you, Ritu dear, and as for @blue, why, this is the perfect time to fall in love with a handsome young actor. It is perfectly safe, as you are now not going to be tempted to hotfoot it to Mumbai and write his name in blood on his walls and insist that he marry you!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Ritu99

Hi Aunty!You always echo my thoughts.I too was amused about theTulsi shrub( and that too an almost dying one )becoming a tree😉.Jodha is definitely over watering it especially when SARD HAWAYEN have hit Agra. I think that area is kind of their unacknowledged dating spot and hence the over attention to the poor Tulsi TREE , .I don't know if you were waiting for Jalal"s Birthday to come up in the serial.I definitely was.You see both were October born (Librans...yippeee).Jodha on the 1st and Jalal on the 14th as per history.In fact they were born in the same year 1542 which makes Jodha older by a few days.And Aunty ,please stop praising Rajat so much .I'm already in love with the Shahenshah,I don't want to fall in love with Rajat now 😉I'm happily married with two kids .😆😆😆

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thank you so much, my dear.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: veenisha

Nice post Aunty👏👏

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Oh, I agree with you completely in its being a major improvement on the past, but somehow, after seeing the precap, I had expected something more. But it is fine even as it is.

And the Ruqaiya-Jalal scenes were also very charming, especially the cute treasure hunt idea that became a family clue trail. As Lashy noted, this was so much better that a bunch of dancers singing Bismilleh, bismilleh and swirling around.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: bubbles_rogue

i have to agree that the jalal-jodha convo lacked the effect i had expected but overall it was a great improvement and development of their relationship..my two cents

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I am not very sure about the self-loving part, my dear. Smiley's Ruqaiya really loved Jalal, and agonised over not being able to tell him so.

Moreover, the fact is that one cannot separate one's love for another person into compartments labelled husband, friend, just another human being and so on. It is like asking whether you would love your parents as much if they were not your parents.Of course you would not, and that is perfectly natural. So too, for Ruqaiya, Jalal is all three rolled into one: best friend, husband, Shahenshah. I don't think even she knows which one she cares for the most, no matter what she says. The latter need not be the truth, or else she might not know her own heart.

As for Ruqaiya's father having done much for Jalal, that is important for establishing that she is no beggar maid with whom Jalal could play at King Cophetua. She is his equal in all respects and she is as much entitled to Mughal power as he is. So if she is proud to be the Shahenshah's Begum, that need not be related to the power she would gain thru him. It might just be that she feels that is the rank she is entitled to by birth.

But I do agree that the CVs have reduced her character to a plastic harem superintendent.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: aashyagh

HI Shyamala,

I agree with u on the below, but still, here the question was, would have loved him, even if he was not yr husband/best friend, just as a normal human. what Ruqu or her parents did is not of a question. Ruqu is always shown as a self loving person, she is not a bad woman, just loves herself too much and loves to be in power, so she was never questioned for her act, so Jodha's question made her "quiet"

1)That she had married Jalal when he was a hunted prince on the run, more likely to end up dead than on a throne.

2)That but for the sacrifice of her father, Hindal Mirza, who not only gave up his life to save those of his stepbrother Humayan and Jalal, but left the whole of his holdings in Afghanistan to Jalal, and not to his own daughter Ruqaiya, there would have been no Shahenshah Jalaluddin today.

3)That she loves her Jalal so much that she will not share his love with anyone else.

Instead, she makes a complete ass of herself, undoubtedly so the CVs can make Jodha look cleverer.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thank you, my dear.

I too have no idea what this gift is going to be. She says it has to be something he does not have, which makes it even more tough to guess!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: baubles

Lovely post aunty...the last 2 episodes have been better than the ones a week back. Really felt Jalal's pain..he's going through a lot and trying hard not to breakdown! His scene with Jo was touching yesterday..he has bee there for her everytime till date,it's nice to see her try and feel his pain this time.

Waiting to see what Jo gifts Jalal now...hope it's something really good since she seems to have put a lot of thought into it😛

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Thank you, Ritu dear, and as for @blue, why, this is the perfect time to fall in love with a handsome young actor. It is perfectly safe, as you are now not going to be tempted to hotfoot it to Mumbai and write his name in blood on his walls and insist that he marry you!

Shyamala Aunty

Okay Aunty,if you insist will not hold myself back now .😉.Cougar couples are in vogue 😃😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hey dear what u said bout Ruqs father z true???
He sacrified his life??
Omg!
I mean then m too sad for Ruqs now. She couldn't evn bear a child. Thank god that Jo bcame momma of Salim n he was sent to Ruqs for muslim upbringing. Inna toh importance milna hi chahiye na usse.
Cv's bhi kamaal karte hai.
Bt frankly, for someone spoiled silly by attention, preference n secretes of husband despite polygamy, will deffo behave this way only, initially atleast! Badme bhalehi accept kar le. Saw na how she accepted Jo ka baby n evn sent Jalal back to Jo!
Nyways, I guess Shehenshah turned back in kite scene after hearin Rahim call out for choti ammi for girti patang! By Jo's account few secs ago, it was 'nazar hati durghatana ghati situation'. So he knows where her nazar must b!

As for first touch, it was ill edited scene, I bet! Ofcourse not greatly detailed in writing either. Jo k dialogues could have been varied..

N completeltly agree on Rajat ka voice! He adds volume to seemingly simple situation. Just like 2D movie ko 3D banate hai..
Though m yet to discover eyes walla part!!!!
Thanks for explaination.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Awesome Post 👏 👏
Everything is very well written
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Lashy dear,

I am not well, with a bad racking cough, and I just about got this one off this afternoon. I have not been reading anything in the forum. which is why I missed your thread on this episode.

Iam very glad that you liked this one so much, but it is not surprising that I liked your comments even better than my post! Especially the part about Jodha being restless because of Jalal's unhappiness, and there too the part in blue.

I am going to bed, dear, I am washed out. I did not think too much of today's episode. It was rather affected and stagey. The expedition that Jodha takes him on; where did she find out about this parched village? And all those bhashans about dar and svayam prashamsa; I suppose she carried her personal soapbox along!😉 One small mercy was that she did not ask him once more to forgive Bakshi Banu. Some sense is sneaking into her grey cells at long last.

And did she or did she not intend to give him anything at all till he asked for it?If not, as she said at the beginning, where did this peasant outfit come from all of a sudden?

Jalal was really cute (though Rahim always wins the cuteness stakes hands down), asking openly and repeatedly for his tohfa, like a little boy, and his caustic comments on women were a delight too. As was his face, all lit up as if a tubelight had come on inside. contemplating Ruqaiya's nayaab, sab se alag tohfa. It has something to do with water, for the wavering light on his face is clearly reflected from rippling water. I wonder what it is.

Anyhow, tomorrow, Ruqaiya will spoil all his pleasure by quarrelling with him about Jodha. Plus she will try to trip Jodha up badly somewhere. Same old crude jealousy and melodrama track. All in all, this episode was a letdown.

Now on to the inevitable jashn, a number chaps singing Bismilleh, bismilleh, Khuda, khuda and whirling about like tops. I am told that Ekta stuffs her regular soaps with periodic parties, at each of which there is some high profile, scandalous revelation. In Jodha Akbar, there is a jashn instead of a party, that is all. The last time, at Jodha's birthday, you had the virtual baby; this time you will have Adham and that kid.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: lashy

Hi aunty 🤗

Since I didn't see your reply in my other thread/s, I have posted here in bits what I'd written there...😳

The amusing segments, like Jalal's treasure hunt that goes delightfully awry at the final Rahim stage, with imli ka ped becoming tulsi ka ped !

I didn't expect this. Instead of the usual Jashan, dance, Maulvis and Sherbet - we got a completely different visual treat in a small game between childhood friends - that would also play an important role in track progression! A masterstroke indeed!
And by track progression I mean
Increasing insecurities of Ruqaiyya
and
Increasing nazdeekiyan of Jalal-Jodha!
Such is always the play of fate - try as you may - you can't change it!
Besides, nothing in this twist was deliberate - none can be blamed!
Neither Rahim for misleading him
Nor Jalal for being misled
Neither Ruqaiyya for becoming disappointed
Nor Jodha for innocently going along with the flow
After all, isn't this what life is about - we're all puppets in the hand of fate - victims of circumstances.
Only, we all react differently to different incidents! My guess is that Ruqaiyya is not going to take her failed gesture lightly while had it been Jodha, she would have just smiled it all off!
Anyway, I liked the effortless flow of the scenes and the novel birthday game that ended up changing the course of an important day for the person whom it was intended for! (If we're to go by Jalal's self-talk!)


So, this post will be limited to the highlights. In any case, I am sure 95% of the forum is still in a daze about "the first touch"!
And you can't blame us, can you aunty?😆

Episode 115: Ah, Rajat! The boy is a marvel, an absolute natural, to the camera born. Watch him in the scene with Jodha (and the kite and the pigeons). His depression lifts for a brief while as he watches her with the kite, and he comments Aap hawa ka mizaz achchi tarah samajhti hain, which is double meaning, and she looks doubtfully at him. She is not sure if it is a jibe, but still, there is none of the usual acidulated expression on her face, nor are her eyes narrowed in instinctive hostility.
Isn't this what you'd been waiting for aunty - civil conversations between the two as they try to understand each other and yet hints of amusing (not snarky) jibes between the two as they tread through this journey?I enjoyed this scene totally! It held all sorts of significance - his position as an Emperor, her understanding of him, their understanding of where their relationship stood, his grief etc etc!

But in neither sally is there any of the old flirtatious teasing of similar instances in the past; he is as if extinguished from within. This is not the old Jalal. Bakshi Banu's treachery has hollowed him out, and it shows.

When she then asserts, with unexpected familiarity, ham aapki begum hain, the old Jalal would have smiled wickedly in ill-suppressed glee at this unprecedented progress. Not now. He merely lowers his head in a half nod, and then asks her to continue.
Beautifully read aunty...he is able to portray this 'sad happiness' of his very well. But then again, its RT we're talking about😉
Strangely enough, Jodha is the only one who's able to observe it now. It goes to show that if she had the mind in it, she is quite emotionally perceptive!

Jodha and Ruqaiya: t

Ruqaiya scores so many self goals that Jodha hardly needed to exert herself to roll her up lock, stock and barrel.
😆

Episode 116: The Shahenshah's address to his troops, the sort of pep talk a general usually gives them before a campaign, is far removed from the usual battle cry. It is lucid and compelling in its calm setting out of does and don'ts, the latter an extension of what he had roared at Adham Khan for his atrocities in Malwa, when he was on the point of executing him.

It is a remarkable speech, for it is simple enough for even the most unsophisticated foot soldier to grasp, and yet it has far reaching significance for the future image of Akbar's rule.

*Whistles* Extremely well said!

Jalal-Jodha:The only other scene of note is the one of Jalal with Jodha, just after he has dismissed Bakshi Banu. It was not as striking as I had expected, for Jodha had no more to say than what she had said already the last time she spoke to him about this, when he comes to question her about her pardoning Bakshi Banu.

This scene lived up to my expectations. For being the first personal interaction of theirs - it was neither hyped nor over-dramatic. We didn't have the winds swaying and her hair flying as she tried to comfort the king. He was in pain, she empathized and it was it - nothing more, nothing less!😃

The only improvement - and it is a significant one - is that she now relates her request for him to forgive his sister with his own suffering and his helpless rage against all and sundry because of the betrayal.

I loved it that for the first time in their relationship, she is able to feel at least part of his pain, and that both in her earlier scene with Hamida Banu and now with Jalal, she tries to imagine, even if she cannot as yet feel it fully under her own skin, what he must be going thru, and to articulate it to the best of her ability. It was precisely this that I had missed in all her earlier scenes with him about l'affaire Bakshi Banu, and I applauded her.

Jodha herself doesn't realize how restless she is when watching the Shehenshah restless. There is no reason for her to be mulling on Jalal's turmoil all the time, if not. It just goes to show that once she's shed her mask of ghrina, she sees him as a human and a hurting one at that. This behaviour of hers isn't very different had it been any of her loved ones in place of Jalal - Ammijaan, Sukanya, her own parents etc. So, he is beginning (or has already entered) her circle of people, that she'd consider 'close'. Even when she saved him from the Mohan fiasco, her prime concern was for the well-being of the Shehenshah along with the guilt that she might have ended up ruining hundreds of lives. When she prepared the lunch, it was out of pure obligation. Here there is NO such compulsion. Yet, she seems unsettled - like she can't get the picture of his troubled face out of her mind.
I can understand where she comes from as I'm not too different in this aspect myself!

If she just let him be - like the rest of the family have done, how will we notice the special/different relationship Jalal has with Jodha. The harem ladies too care for him in their own way. It is these small differences that should make their bonding stand out in an Epic love story, right?
[And who says Jalal doesn't like to be comforted😳? Had that been the case, he wouldn't go searching for MA every time he's heartbroken! Tough men keep their emotions hidden from public - but, even they do like one steady set of shoulders to fall back on in grievous times! After all, he's barely 22 with an entire Empire to run and numerous plotting relatives to keep at bay!]

Yes one week on and a daily knock on his door with a 'Forgive BB' chant would seem odd...but, its still early days - so, had she just let him be (like some have advised), it'd show she's still only at a 'civil' arm's length from Jalal. Au contraire its obvious, he's more than that for her!

This progression in her behaviour - her subtly morphing feelings for him is a very welcome change (visually AND story-wise) - especially after having showered nothing but hatred towards him for the past many months!
Look at the irony aunty - she's beginning to show genuine changes - but, neither has she realized she's doing so - nor is Jalal in the state-of-mind to pick on it. In fact none of the usual culprits - MA/Mothi/HB etc have noticed Jodha's growing concern for her Shehenshah! 😉

But it does not work, and Jodha has to retreat, her mission unaccomplished. I was satisfied, for it is high time she had to do the running after a withdrawn and non-responsive Jalal. It will do both of them good.

I am MORE-THAN-HAPPY to see Jodha actually going to Jalal in her attempts to bring a smile to his face
There was another significance in yesterday's scene - for the first time when she was speaking to Mothi about Jalal's gift... she indicated towards Kanhaji - but, it was the Bansuri and Pankh that was playing in her mind more than visions of her deity!😳

As for the gift, I'm not going to mull too much over it - just as our CVs have pleasantly taken us by surprise many-a-time, they've also shocked us many-a-time! I'll wait for the next few hours to see how it plays LOL..
Beautiful beautiful beautiful work aunty!
🤗

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thank you, my dear.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: SaiS

Awesome Post 👏 👏

Everything is very well written

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