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Posted: 11 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: skanda12



So while Jalal yesterday used his presense of mind as a Shehenshah and went to Salima for neutral advice , Jodha was once again doing the same mistake of jumping the gun over Shehensha a little too soon 🤔
Jyoti, I didn't see it as Jodha's accusations, I felt she was venting her frustration after Hamida also berated her. If she felt that he had spread thr rumour she would said it in the first visit to the tarazu itself, since she had already heard about the rumour by then. But instead she said it all to jala in the precap (i.e. after the Hamida visit) so it looked like a reaction to Hamida rather than an accusation of Jalal spreading rumours.



Mansi I was not talking about the precap here but the scene between Moti and Jodha where both were guessing who could b the culprit and Jodha assumed its spread by Jalal (she dint mention clearly .. but the way she said its not Maham or anyone and remembered Jalal ka accusation ..it was clear she assumed its Jalal) .. this was before Hamida blasted Jodha .. what I mean is for Jodha it has become more like a habit that every moment she is quick to assume the worst for Jalal but takes ample time to realise when Jalal is right ..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: jyoti06



Mansi I was not talking about the precap here but the scene between Moti and Jodha where both were guessing who could b the culprit and Jodha assumed its spread by Jalal .. this was before Hamida blasted Jodha .. what I mean is for Jodha it has become more like a habit that every moment she is quick to assume the worst for Jalal but takes ample time to realise when Jalal is right ..

Oh OK, but did she accuse Jalal in that scene. I might have misesed that detail, because I thought she was just wondering how the info leaked, but I did not think she thought it was leaked by jalal. But maybe I missed that detail.
Also one more point in jala's favour: Jodha knows he hid that infidelity info even from Ruq, so she may not readily suspect that Jalal may tell everyone else but not Ruq? So if indeed she is feeling instantly antagonistic to jalal, (as you say, she often gets into that knee jerk reaction!), she should examine why he never told Ruq and why he should leak it out in public now!
But see this fun now: Maham has admitted to Hamida that she eavesdropped. So if later it is investigated how the rumour spread she would be suspect No. 1!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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She would not have been assuming things and would have laughed at the rumors if not her husband had possed that question to her first. When he asked her that question, even Moti was not around and how & why on the earth will she will think that MA or someone would have heard them by eavesdropping. She can vouch on Moti for secrecy and the left is the onl person who knows this is Jalal and if he had not leaked this peice of news, how else others know about this? And how can we expect Jodha to go and ask Hamida about who told you this information? It is nt something of her acievement they are discussing, so that she can show eagerness to go to the depth of information and did we expect Hamida Bhanu to say that Maham overheard you people. The question is o royals and they don't work like our 21st Century courts who will punish a rapist when he becomes 60+ for the crime he did duing his teens... And there was no clause of RTI during those days so on 90% of teh cases, the accused was converted into convict in a span of few moments.



U know I hv always been defending Jodha all this while but where I did see her wrong today was the way Jalal acts and the way Jodha reacts

Jalal accused Jodha in private but made sure noone finds out about it .. then he goes straight to Salima begum who is most neutral candidate to seek advice and there he tells her both sides of the story ..his as well as Jodha ka version ...

Compare to the above act of Jalal , what Jodha does is she only tells her side of the story to Moti and even tells her how Jalal accused her of cheating to Moti who is suppose to b a servant .. she never thinks from Jalal ka side and nor tries to see both side of the story unlike Jalal ...

What I expected from Jodha is instead of crying foul in front of Moti repeatedly , she could hv done Jalal like act .. that is going to a neutral party like Hamida mayb and telling both side of the story and seeking advice even before rumours reached Hamida's ears ..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: jyoti06



U know I hv always been defending Jodha all this while but where I did see her wrong today was the way Jalal acts and the way Jodha reacts

Jalal accused Jodha in private but made sure noone finds out about it .. then he goes straight to Salima begum who is most neutral candidate to seek advice and there he tells her both sides of the story ..his as well as Jodha ka version ...

Compare to the above act of Jalal , what Jodha does is she only tells her side of the story to Moti and even tells her how Jalal accused her of cheating to Moti who is suppose to b a servant .. she never thinks from Jalal ka side and nor tries to see both side of the story unlike Jalal ...

What I expected from Jodha is instead of crying foul in front of Moti repeatedly , she could hv done Jalal like act .. that is going to a neutral party like Hamida mayb and telling both side of the story and seeking advice even before rumours reached Hamida's ears ..

That is a good point, I agree.. She confides private details to Moti, which is not a very nice thing!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Oh OK, but did she accuse Jalal in that scene. I might have misesed that detail, because I thought she was just wondering how the info leaked, but I did not think she thought it was leaked by jalal. But maybe I missed that detail.
Also one more point in jala's favour: Jodha knows he hid that infidelity info even from Ruq, so she may not readily suspect that Jalal may tell everyone else but not Ruq? So if indeed she is feeling instantly antagonistic to jalal, (as you say, she often gets into that knee jerk reaction!), she should examine why he never told Ruq and why he should leak it out in public now!
But see this fun now: Maham has admitted to Hamida that she eavesdropped. So if later it is investigated how the rumour spread she would be suspect No. 1!



Mansi Jodha dint directly accuse him in that scene with Moti but she clearly said it cannot b Maham or anyone else and told Moti about how Jalal was only one who questioned her about it in private .. so she indicated Jalal mayb the one spreading it indirectly

And yess Maham this time digged her own grave in desperation 😆😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I posted the link and the pic too😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: jyoti06



Mansi Jodha dint directly accuse him in that scene with Moti but she clearly said it cannot b Maham or anyone else and told Moti about how Jalal was only one who questioned her about it in private .. so she indicated Jalal mayb the one spreading it indirectly

And yess Maham this time digged her own grave in desperation 😆😆

Yes she does tend to have a knee jerk reaction as regards Jalal, which is actually getting her into knots. But fortunately this jalal is ahead of her in this "feelings" game so he does not give much credence to this and in fact turns the tables on her each time.
Again a question of trust. If you trust someone you would not be so ready to jump to conclusions! Hope this track resolves this trust deficit once and for all. Its time for the story to move on to a new phase in the relationship now.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

That is a good point, I agree.. She confides private details to Moti, which is not a very nice thing!



thats exactly my problem at times .. i love jodha ka character .. a head strong girl who never bows down to anyone to please them 👏 .. but her only flaw is she at times forgets she is a queen and ends up telling lots of secrets of a husband-wife relationship to a daasi or her maayka people ...

see Jalal dint share this secret even with Ruqaiyya who is his childhood buddy .. he could hv told her na that I dint touch Jodha , so I dunno how she is preggy .. But he dint say it because he knew its a very private and serious matter between him and Jodha only and so he need a matured candidate like Salima for advice .. And even when he told Salima , he dint told her in accusing tone but instead told her both his and Jodha's version so that she can judge it neutrally ..

But Jodha just said it all to Moti without thinking of its consequences in a total accusing tone ..I know we can say Moti is trustworthy for Jodha but then so is Ruqaiyya for Jalal .. so why Jalal dint say it to Ruqaiyya ? simply bec at times there r few secrets between hubby-wife which u cant share even to your most trusted or closed ones .. Jodha need to realise this
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mansi brilliant analysis!👏👏 All I want is for this track to end. For the first time I've only watched the episode minutes ago and not last night. Ah, just can't see how these two are so devastated without any fault of them.


What I loved was how Jalal called Salima for her advice.👍🏼
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: jyoti06



thats exactly my problem at times .. i love jodha ka character .. a head strong girl who never bows down to anyone to please them 👏 .. but her only flaw is she at times forgets she is a queen and ends up telling lots of secrets of a husband-wife relationship to a daasi ...

see Jalal dint share this secret even with Ruqaiyya who is his childhood buddy .. he could hv told her na that I dint touch Jodha , so I dunno how she is preggy .. But he dint say it because he knews its a very private and serious matter between him and Jodha only and so he need a matured candidate like Salima for advice

But Jodha just said it all to Moti without thinking of its consequences ..Moti is trustworthy but so is Ruqaiyya .. so why Jalal dint say it to Ruqaiyya ? simply bec at times there r few secrets between hubby-wife which u cant share even to your most trusted or closed ones .. Jodha need to realise this

Yes I cannot argue against this point, Jyoti. It is not a nice thing to do to divulge private details. But maybe her reason is that she has come to a sauraal where everybody is an alien, and her only support is this Moti, with whom she is more of a friend than a boss-daasi kind of relationship. But still that does not cover up for this lapse. So long as she is not yet in a physical relationship with jalal its okay. But I hope after she gets into a physical relationship, this Moti is not daily coming for "last night ka katha"!😆😆😆😆😆

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