Jodha Akbar 94: 'I' stands for Integrity - Page 2

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Posted: 11 years ago
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My dear Alakh,

I am glad that you agree with me re:@blue.

As for the rest, I have no idea how this is going to pan out, unless Bakshi Banu 'fesses up, which is as likely as a snowflake surviving in hell.

Remember the Rat King's claim to Bharmal that he was asking for the fort for his own security? Jalal tells Mahaam that he had given the Rat King a pledge of security, ie from Mughals and Rajvanshis alike. So the Rat King cannot now climb down accepting Jalal's protection.

The Rat Prince is loopy, and as much of a waffler and his father is a weasel.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose


Thanks for the lovely post Aunty.⭐️

I felt Jodha defending Jalal was more because she knows him.. he never goes back on his word.. no matter what.

But I see no way Jodha can prove Cheapuddin lied. I don't understand why the prince goes and confides in Jodha.. How does he assume that she will listen to him? He doesn't know her.. Is she so popular? Plus, why doesn't he open his mouth. His excuse that you know we can't talk back to our parents sounded absurd to me😕 😡

I hope Jodha uses her brain this time. She knows he will never believe her.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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^^He is officially Rat King now 🤣
Is zoo ko kya naam dun??.. bagh baaghin saanp haathi and now chuha 😆
Edited by Autumn_Rose - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

one can twist oneself into knots trying to explain the Jalal and the Jodha one saw last night, and still get nowhere.She was appalling, and he was inexplicable in his sudden swing from controlled bitterness to what has been aptly described elsewhere as chichorapan.

'I' stands for Inconsistency:
the yoyo tendency among the script writers, leading to a total inconsistency of characterisation for both Jalal and, even more so, for Jodha. The total lack of consistency in Jodha's characterisation was bewildering. Watch her in the kahin bhi jaake mariye, par hamare Amer mein nahin scene, lecturing him on her life and his, and look at her the very day!


The CVs have obviously never heard of either progressive track development or of intelligent romance. It has to be the icebox or the khatiya, it seems, nothing in between.

The character graphs oscillate wildly from episode to episode, as far as the Jalal-Jodha equations are concerned.

There is a sad lack of any voice overs showing Jodha arguing with herself or mulling things over, about Jalal and otherwise.

I have long felt the same, and I have written in the past about this absence of such an inner voice, in the solo scenes for Jodha, being a roadblock when the viewers try to understand what makes her tick. The only exception to this was the Green Jodha /Yellow Jodha scene, but that was a one shot affair, never repeated. Jalal has the occasional scene of him ruminating and thinking aloud. Jodha, never, bar that one exception.

This should be rectified, but it will not be. This will be, to my mind, not because the CVs are not sure of themselves. It seems rather to be because they want to keep open the one step forwards, 2 steps backwards option. Otherwise, how will they churn out 500 episodes?

I 100% agree word-to-word with everything you've stated above...100%

Jalal is multi-layered (and the creatives have been doing his role more justice) so though he's an enigma by himself, his actions don't seem totally inexplicable!

For Jodha, any amount of lengthy explanation (i.e. she behaves so only because she secretly loves him and doesn't know) cannot gloss over the fact that the CVs have been see-sawing with her character. Basically, they have been utilizing the female lead (as is done in many serials) to keep the drama running and sometimes sacrificing her natural inborn/inbred nature while doing so! I am disappointed with the CVs because of this.😊

Progressive track development - This is something I want and don't seem to be getting... ...its the beauty of RT and PS that seems to make most forget that some of the scenes are more erratic than progressive...now, progressive doesn't necessarily mean positive...it can be negative too (like how many relationships go back a few steps before moving ahead only to cement the relationship that much stronger once the MUs are ironed out)

Only, such scenes should be justified, which I find less after the Mohan attack... Jodha can swing in her view points of Jalal as long as viewers get a proper insight into why she's doing so - instead, we're left debating/guessing - which shouldn't be the case!😊

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Posted: 11 years ago
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🤣 "Rat king"

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mughal-Rajput Menagerie 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais

Mughal-Rajput Menagerie 😆


😆 Suvi suggested the name be changed to hum tum aur zoo😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Nice post aunty...👍🏼

I would just like to make one point...I absolutely agree when you say her sense of right and wrong is very strong...it is reflected when she said how can they ask for something which doesn't belong to amer?...but...her defence of jalal became a bit personal when she emphasised that jalal has taken pains to arrange this marriage, he held on to his temper, it's he who is being cheated...yes, she knows jalal is a man of his words...who will know it better than her? She always refused to acknowledge it even to herself (except once)...it is this acknowledgement( nothing more nothing less) that caught my attention...

VoiceOver for jodha- bingo!!! Cvs want to keep their option open

Today's epi- if jodha gonna blurt out everything to jalal without any proofs I am gonna jump from my room's window (it stay at groundfloor)...

Ohh I forgot to add...I so agree with your P.S😆
Edited by Super Kool - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Tripti dear,

As for the PS, I knew you would be gurgling over it. I have now christened him the Rat King,and that Vijendra the Rat Prince.

No, Tripti, you are preaching to the converted when you tell me that

To see her, go up against her own family & go as far as saying, "Hum Shahenshaah ke saath hain" in effect stating, that if you agree with this gross barter exchange taking place; then I , Jodha, do not side with you, but with my husband, is a seemingly small, but huge, development. 😊

Nowhere in this post have I rated that as a small thing; it is obviously a quantum change, or a paradigm shift, take your choice. Nor am I really denying that her attitude to Jalal, outside the integrity parameter, is also changing.

But the latter is nowhere near as much as is being made out across the forum, not even after Ajmer, the Mohan encounter or the Kali Mandir episode. If there had been a real shift to caring, she could NEVER have told him what she did on Wednesday,. which came down to saying I do not care what happens to you provided it does not happen here and endanger my sister's marriage (never mind that this very marriage is only due to Jalal), and no one loves you, so what sort of a life do you have?

And this from a ruler's daughter, who ought to know that a King is always alone. As for family, does she not remember Sujamal's Great Betrayal? Everything she told Jalal that day was harsh, unfeeling hogwash, and no amount of rose water poured on it is going to change that .

So what I saying that the real reason for this quantum change is not that she has gone soft on him, but her new found confidence in his integrity.

As for the last part of your comments, @blue, I agree in toto. I would only add that besides being strong, compassionate (though she was anything but compassionate on Wednesday) and honourable, it would not hurt if Jodha developed some commonsense, some understanding of the facts of imperial life, and maybe some sense of humour as well. And yes, a good bit less of preachiness.

Finally, as you seem to agree with my central thesis, why don't you say so?

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais

🤣 @your PS, aunty!! I completely agree!! That's exactly what I was thinking too!!


It is a momentous happening in any case, Jodha defending Jalal against her family. She did it for Abdul out of her deep sense of compassion & Moral Code. But the whole meaning changes when it comes to Jalal, because she treats him completely & totally different than all the rest.

She believes , or atleast used to believe, very bitterly , that Jalal was never a Man Of Honour. Of Commitment . Brushing aside every instance that proved exactly the opposite & brought Jodha to the Reality!

It was upto Moti Bai to tell her time & again, "Hey! hold your high & grand horses Jodha! Your husband, the Emperor, has fulfilled every wish of yours! Moreover, he is your husband. Of course he will listen to you out of the bond that you formed with him in Saambhar , and because he has shown himself time & again, as a man who honours every vachan he takes."

Jodha breaks many rules when it comes to Jalal. Of her own personal codes of functioning.

To see her, go up against her own family & go as far as saying, "Hum Shahenshaah ke saath hain" in effect stating, that if you agree with this gross barter exchange taking place; then I , Jodha, do not side with you, but with my husband, is a seemingly small, but huge, development. 😊

And while I do not agree that it has only to do with her hidden (yes, she does feel for Jalal & yes, she tries her best to hide. It it isn't my rosy romantic nature which believes this, but plain sense can see it too) care for Jalal; but out of her own strong belief that he is a true man who sticks to every promise made. If he didn't make this promise, then he did not. And no-one has the right to take away what is his, from him.

And this way is much, much better. For Jodha can never truly love a man unless he has his own sound & strong Honour & Committment to Word. Now that she has realised it, she is well on her way to falling in love with Jalal. 😊
It had to come from her & come this way, the way it did. Not from the blind care of a woman who is in love with her husband. Which Jodha certainly isn't as of now. But from a very compassionate, strong & honourable young woman who recognises these qualities in a man who happens to be her husband. 😊

P. S. I didn't realise you made a new thread, so copy-pasted what I wrote on your episode no. 92 analysis.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Nice post Shyamala...
The mess in which Sukanya's fate lies is created by Jallu...even if unknowingly...Now he should stay here and solve the situation...

The groom party is completely justified in their demanding fort...I am not supporting dowery here but the promise made to them...

Jalal has always been blind to the faults of Mughal side...But this time his decision is effecting other person's life...so he should solve the situation by owing some responsibility for it...
Edited by elasingh - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I don't think they will have voice over for Jodha.. They want to keep us guessing..😭
They will have annoying voiceovers.. Jalal jodha ki khoobsoorti dekh kar blah blah..

Mausam bahut suhaana that.. Jalal to ache mausam mein bageeche ki sair karna pasnd tha🤪 😡


Edited by Autumn_Rose - 11 years ago

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