Weekend Analysis Thread 17:Love has no Logic

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Holaa all .. I m opening the weekend thread after agess πŸ˜ƒ.. finally got enough time to post my take regarding what I feel about the current track of last 2 weeks 😳 ...

I will b really honest here .. Despite Jodha's rudeness and her never ending lecture on Amer and her family , despite Jalal hopelessly falling for Jodha and ignoring all her rants , despite some connection problems here and there in the ongoing Amer track , I m still loving the track progress mainly because I was waiting for this moment when I will finally get to see some cute nok-jhoks , leg-pulling , flirting and teasing between Jalal-Jodha and I m finally getting it all ...

I started watching this show mainly because it was promoted as a passionate love story of Jodha and Akbar , so when I m finally seeing the start of that epic love story , why should I complain about other small issues πŸ˜›... A love story is boring if its all sweet and perfect .. What makes a love story interesting is the spice element and flawed characters πŸ‘πŸΌ.. Jodha's bitter words towards Jalal is certainly giving a reality check to Jalal as he realises how his life was indeed very colourless , loveless and boring before Jodha came in his life 😳 whereas Jodha too will realise how Jalal is not really heartless and he knows how to play fair for the sake of other's happiness when in future he will think of an alternative to make sure Sukanya's marriage goes ahead as per the article spoiler since he knows well how much important it is for both Bharmal and Jodha to see Sukanya finally getting married ... Even Jodha too knows her Jalal well whether she admits it to him in private or not as it was clear the way today Jodha showed her faith in Jalal and was fair when she said Jalal will not give away his fort at any cost πŸ‘πŸ‘.. This is what Jalal too likes about Jodha.. her fair decision making even if her words come out rude at times πŸ‘πŸΌ


With both discovering the positives about each other , I do see two flawed characters successfully making their journey towards perfection and this is what makes the love story interesting and perfect for me right now πŸ‘πŸΌ.. I loved the fact that CVs showed the flaws in both their characters right now when both r yet to understand their feelings completely... ... This will give them enough time to realise their mistakes and rectify it as the time goes on 😳.. Jodha will definitely start appreciating Jalal as a Mughal now after he fixes up Sukanya's marriage successfully and so her misconception regarding the Mughals too will slowly go away while Jodha's brutal honesty regarding Jalal's loveless life and today her open support to Jalal regarding the fort issue will make sure Jalal more often listens to his heart's call and starts believing in love now which Jodha has taught him 😳...


So if something wrong in shown in any episode , I wont react to it instantly as I m sure everything shown has a reason ...I will only react after the particular track is over .. Thats why I was quiet after the huge uproar in forum over Jalal-Jodha convo where Jodha asked Jalal to leave and also how she is more concerned for her family than his life which Jalal actually appreciates and next moment he goes and admires her dance and thats it , whole forum was in mess over Jalal and Jodha's stupidity πŸ˜†πŸ˜†... All thanks to this convo , Jodha will actually understand now why Jalal refused to leave like a coward because only his stay now will make sure that Sukanya's marriage happens as he only had to take the final decision about fixing the whole issue with groom's father which was not possible if he was not present in Amer today πŸ˜‰ while Jalal too will understand how Jodha was so right about his lonely loveless life since people like Shariffuddin who r his so called relatives r nothing but more of troublemakers in his life πŸ˜†...


Today's episode yet again nails the fact that Jodha has always been brutally honest about her views whether its in favour or against Jalal and this is what Jalal admires about her 😳... Today she supported Jalal in front of all because she knew its unfair to demand that fort which belongs to the Mughals .. She knew her support to Jalal can break Sukanya's marriage but still she went ahead and supported Jalal .. Thats why Jalal never gets pissed off at Jodha even if she speaks bitterness against him at times because he knows she plays fair with her words always


Jodha and Jalal both r humans who made mistakes , but whats interesting to see is how and when they realise it and then rectify those mistakes which is what will make an epic love story 😳...


Here are my 10 pointers as usual about the most interesting scenes (both positive and negative) of this week's episode 😳


1) Jodha dazzles in green with her moves and Jalal is all mesmerised 😳


I loved the way Jodha was slowly coming downstairs in green and Jalal was all mesmerised with her beauty 😳😳 .. his eyes spoke volumes in that scene ... he might still lie to all that coming to this marriage was just a political trip blabla but his eyes cannot lie anymore the way he goes all dreamy eyed seeing Jodha's divine beauty 😳😳... I loved the fact that we got Jalal's self-talk in that scene too , the way he was questioning himself about why he cant stop looking at her or admiring her beauty 😳.. we dont need to assume anymore about Jalal's feelings now since his self talk in that scene says it all 😳😳

I was also completely bowled over with yesterday's first half of the episode when Jalal was all lost watching Jodha dance in that green dress and then later on the entire teasing part of Jalal during the push-ups ..ufff ufff uff ... Jalal was at his flirting best ☺️☺️.,.. I hv never seen this side of Jalal in front of Ruqaiyya or his other begums .. He always comes like a king to all his begum's room to spend some time , thats it ..its all mechanical .. but with Jodha he is always a different person 😳 .. a typical naughty hubby who really enjoys his time teasing his wifey in bedroom πŸ˜‰πŸ˜³πŸ˜›... The entire push-up scenario was too good the way Jalal deliberately removes his clothes and starts doing the push-ups all bare chested and making those ohh aahh sounds deliberately to embarass Jodha but in a sweet and naughty way πŸ˜‰πŸ˜›.. And then the massage part was another good one 😳..It seems Jalal really enjoys taking those spl massages from Jodha's soft hands πŸ˜‰πŸ˜†πŸ˜› ... Both looked like a typical husband-wife in the whole scene and Jalal was indeed enjoying his time with Jodha there 😳.. I hv never seen Jalal so happy and at the same time a bit naughty with any of his begums πŸ˜› ... He is surely falling hard for Jodha and I can say same for Jodha too since her anger on Jalal was not really a typical hatred types but it was more of wifey type anger πŸ˜‰πŸ˜³...

Also loved the way Jalal was teasing Jodha during the aarti later on by asking her to wipe off the sindoor from her nose when there was nothing but the most important part here is Jodha here actually laughs it off since she is beginning to enjoy these leg pulling jokes of Jalal now which was very clear from their eye-to-eye cute ishaaras itself πŸ˜‰πŸ˜›

I m not looking into technicality of these scenes much .. its just that I enjoyed them bas πŸ˜†πŸ˜³



2) The most controvertial Jalal-Jodha heated argument in bedroom 😎

I know the forum is divided on this scene as half of the members feel Jodha was wrong while Jalal was being silly since after this bitterness shown by Jodha , how can he go and simply enjoy her dance and the other half feels it was just a normal argument of a husband-wife which in future will only make their relationship stronger and so it should not b taken so seriously πŸ˜ƒ...I somewhat fall in later category since I felt the whole argument will actually give both a better understanding about each other's views on love and life πŸ€”

What I liked in the scene is that Jalal gave that exclusive right to Jodha to stand in his place and take decision as shehenshah and then advice him what is he suppose to do if she was in his place πŸ‘πŸΌ.. I dont think Jalal gave this right even to Ruqaiyya .. that is asking her to wear his pagdi like he does to Jodha ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️...Even Jodha for a moment was shocked .. she so dint see this coming from Jalal πŸ˜‰πŸ˜³,, For me that was the moment which clearly indicated Jalal's growing trust on Jodha πŸ‘πŸΌ...

Coming to the entire scene now , instead of making my own assumptions , I want to see what the characters in the show r feeling ... When Jodha was being insensitive with her words towards Jalal , I felt bad and was pissed off at her ... but then I saw Jalal's reaction and I could sense that instead of feeling Bad , Jalal was actually thinking when Jodha commented about his loveless life and how he has to live in fear because he cannot trust even his own loved ones which is actually the truth .. Jalal's reaction clearly indicated that part of Jodha's words actually hits him hard since its a harsh reality ... At times u got to b a bit insensitive to make one realise what that person is lacking in his life and Jodha did exactly that reason why Jalal was not really pissed at Jodha but even more mesmerised with her brutal honesty πŸ‘πŸΌ... Also Jalal dint keep quiet there , he did reply back to her by saying how he has not choosen this life , but this life has choosen him and he had no option but to accept it .. So Jalal indirectly hinted to Jodha that he is not living this loveless life with his own wish either πŸ‘πŸΌ...

For me the above conversation was not about who is right and who is wrong , but it was more about Jalal and Jodha coming further close to each other in terms of understanding each other .. Jalal now knows about Jodha's brutal honest nature which he appreciates while Jodha now knows about Jalal's reasoning behind why he wants to stay back in Amer despite the attacks which she might not appreciate fully because of her various fears but at least she knows the reason behind it ... In future, Jodha will b even more thankful to Jalal for actually staying back and fixing Sukanya's marriage successfully (as per article) which was never possible if he had left .. So this scene had a purpose .. making Jodha realise her mistake of wanting to send Jalal back in fear of her sister's marriage coming to a halt when in reality its Jalal because of whom marriage will go ahead in futureπŸ˜‰πŸ˜†πŸ˜³

Also I feel Jodha is in denial about Jalal just how Jalal was in denial earlier about Jodha .. I still remember when Ruqaiyya asked Jalal if he is falling for Jodha and so going to Amer , Jalal quickly said he is going to Amer for politicial reasons and not for any love πŸ˜‰...Similarly when Jalal yesterday asked Jodha if she is concerned about his life and so wanting him to leave Amer , Jodha too was quick to deny it and say she is instead worried about her own sister's marriage which can break if he continues to stay in Amer πŸ˜‰... So I dont see what the hulaboo is about in forum as in this case both r in denial about their feelings because the truth is Jalal is in love with Jodha while Jodha too is concerned about Jalal's life but just dont want to confess it when asked directly .. simplee πŸ˜ƒ...


I still remember how brutally Jalal treated Jodha and his family in Agra during that Ruqaiyya's miscarriage fiasco without any proofs ... Compared to that , Jodha's little bit of bitterness towards Jalal is nothing .. she has all the rights to b a bit angry and give him back in her own territory .. No wonder Jalal is not angry with Jodha either since he understands from where this bitterness is coming from and he appreciates it too as Jodha is not fake .. she openly admits her disliking over certain things ... πŸ‘πŸΌ

I know many had issues with sudden dance of Jodha which Jalal admired with all smiles and later was in his flirting mode too during his so called dand wala push ups πŸ˜›πŸ˜† .. but I find it quite natural .. why will Jodha not dance in her sister's mehndi ceremany even if she had some spat with her hubby .. isn't it quite normal that we attend some wedding and we do hv our share of arguments there with relatives but next moment as part of ritual we gather together and sing and dance as part of the wedding ceremany ... And why will Jalal not admire it ... He like any other husband is attracted towards Jodha for various reasons and he also appreciates the fact that Jodha is so loyal to her family's happiness .. this is reason enough for Jalal to respect and admire her as a woman ... If Jalal had made a big issue of Jodha's rudeness during their private meeting , then that would hv been so Un-shehenshah like but the fact that such small arguments dont affect Jalal anymore is proof enough that he is still the shehenshah we know who loves challenges and right now his biggest challenge is to win Jodha's trust which had been shaken due to past eventsπŸ‘πŸΌ




3) Jalal appreciates Jodha's brutal honesty and straightforward nature because it gives him a chance to prove Jodha's many misconceptions about him wrong πŸ‘πŸΌ...

We might not like Jodha for being so brutally honest but Jalal likes her that way and so unlike us , he does not get pissed off with it but rather enjoy it and takes it as challenge to change many of her misconceptions about Mughals ...

When Jodha told Jalal about how the jewelleries were stolen from Kali maa's temple and thats why she wished for his head , Jalal instead of getting pissed off , he actually bows his head down in front of Kali maa and makes Jodha realise that its not necessary to always cut your head , u can even bow down your head and fulfill the promise to kali maa and then he orders his soldiers to get all the jewelleries back too 😳... End result .. Jodha's misconception about Jalal will never bow his head down to anyone because of his false pride is proved wrong πŸ˜ƒ

When Jodha went on and on about her family , Rajputs and the grt king Prithviraj chauhan , again Jalal dint get pissed off at all but instead he appreciated the way Jodha praised her Rajput kings and showed her loyalty and honesty too ..Jalal dint go on to defend his ownself by proving how he too is a great and fearless warrior but instead he decided to show it with his action and next moment we see Jalal putting his own life in danger and taming the mad elephant successfullly πŸ˜‰πŸ‘πŸ‘..End result ..Jodha's misconception about Jalal will never risk his own life being a shehenshah but will rather send common man in the mouth to death to save his ownself is again proved wrong πŸ˜ƒ

Jodha again goes and asks Jalal to leave Amer so that Sukanya's marriage can go ahead ...We all expected Jalal to get pissed off with this insensitive behaviour of Jodha but instead Jalal shocks us all by being cool and even goes around admiring Jodha's dance followed by flirting with her too πŸ˜†πŸ˜›...Everyone were left disappointed with this behavior of Jalal and started questioning why is Jalal not reacting to this nonsense of Jodha 😑.. But Jalal has always proved it with his action than words when the right time comes and this time too he will do exactly the same next week by making sure Sukanya's marriage goes ahead successfully without anymore issues even if it means making some sort of political pact with that groom's father which would not hv been possible if he was not present there in Amer πŸ˜‰.. End result ..Jodha's misconception about Jalal's presense might b the reason for Sukanya's marriage coming to a halt again is proved wrong πŸ˜ƒ


So every moment whenever Jodha challenged Jalal with her words and misconceptions , Jalal remained cool and proved Jodha wrong with his actions ... End Result .. Jodha will slowly start her realisation by next week regarding how she was totally wrong about Jalal because of her past misconceptions about Mughals in general πŸ˜ƒ.. Thats why we need to give time to the CVs regarding what they r showing rather than jump the gun based on one or two epis because everything is shown with a purpose 😳...



4) The funny Elephant fight and Pratap's flop commentry πŸ˜†

It was rather silly and hilarious the way Pratap was used as a commentator during Jalal's struggle to tame the Elephant πŸ˜†πŸ˜†. ... Pratap lovers will sue Ekta for this ..I mean Pratap reduced to a commentator for Jalal 😲😲🀣.. Even the whole Elephant graphic was badly done as one can clearly guess that Jalal was not really sitting on that elephant πŸ˜†πŸ˜†... but anyways good thing is that the promo was misleading and Jodha dint instigate Jalal to go and tame the elephant πŸ˜ƒ...

But my request to CVs to plss end Pratap's character now since these Jalal vs Pratap scenes r getting repitative and boring now and also a bit artificial .. I so dint enjoy that Pratap-Jalal chess play either .. CVs cannot show anyone loosing in this case since both r famous historic names , so why waste scenes after scenes showing their tu-tu-mein-mein which is doing nothing in terms of story progress πŸ₯±




5) Plss dont reduce Mahamanga to a comedia now with those useless Javeda-Maham scenes

I m not liking the way Maham's character is going downhill as most of the time she is seen acting like a typical mother in law trying to control her dumb daughter in law Javeda who seems to b smitten with all Rajput culture πŸ˜†...

Only scene of hers which I loved was the scenes where she burns that gift in front of Jodha and reminds Jodha about how she did the same thing when Jalal's shagun was brought for her ..so its payback time now 😈... Well to b honest Maham was right to some extent and mayb thats why Jodha had nothing much to debate with her ... CVs got to show more such scenes of strong Maham and not reduce her to just a MIL of her dumb bahu ...

Instead of Sharif and Adham's planning-plotting scenes , I will love to see Maham calling the shots here as she is more smart and cunning that both these dumbos whom Jodha will outsmart next week itself πŸ˜†πŸ˜†



6) Jalal is getting to enjoy the colours of life all stressfree 😳

This whole Amer trip has been a lovely experience for Jalal simply because he is getting to enjoy these different colours of life ... All those colourful rituals , song-dance , then those cute little sister in laws of Jalal demanding gifts from him , then some cute moments with Jodha when he is getting to know his tigress better πŸ˜‰ , then some relaxing moments without hving to take tention about political issues till this fort issue came up πŸ˜† .. So overall it was more like a much needed picnic for Jalal where he could just relax and enjoy all the rituals 😳...



7) Jodha is getting to see the humourous side of Jalal finally 😳

So far Jodha saw Jalal as a ruthless ruler but finally she is getting to see this light humourous side of Jalal too whether its the push-up incident or the scene where Jalal was doing Jodha's leg-pulling by lieing to her that something is on her nose and she started wiping it hard πŸ˜†πŸ˜³... Jodha even saw how cutely Jalal narrates those stories to his little sister-in-laws like a little child himself and even distributes so many gifts to them ..😳... So overall this trip is actually opening up Jodha to Jalal's much funny , light and humourous side 😎



8) Missing Ruqaiyya ?? πŸ˜”

Is Anyone missing Ruqaiyya in action .. I m certainly missing her in action and I wish at times CVs also give us a glimpse of whats happening in Agra so that we can find out what Ruqaiyya is upto or is she missing Jalal and feeling some sort of fear regarding Jalal spending so much time with Jodha in Amer πŸ€”



9) Jalal-Jodha's first Joint effort might come next week when they finally give Sukanya's marriage after finding out the real facts πŸ‘πŸΌ

After today's episode I m sure Moti will inform Jalal about Jodha spying on Shariff-Adham since she doubts both on this issue and so then Jalal will go there for Jodha's safety and this is how both together will catch Shariff and Adham red-handed ...Mayb this will b their first joint effort in which they will succeed too and begin trusting each other more 😳..

This is just my and Mansi's joint prediction because if Jodha alone manages to hear everything , she wont b able to prove anything without any proof , so Jalal too got to hear it πŸ€”.. I m sure Moti knowing about it will serve some purpose and she will definitely go and tell Jalal about Jodha going to Shariff's room in disguise to find out the truth and so Jalal too will follow πŸ˜ƒ...



10) Love has no logic 😳


Last but not the least , I believe we should not look for too much of logic during this love phase of Jalal-Jodha since love itself has no definition or boundaries or logic 😳... We wont say love is blind if it had logic , isn't it πŸ˜›,.. Jalal right now is falling in love with Jodha .. so to b fair to the man , I dont expect him to apply too much of logic to her bitter words now that he is smitten with her beauty 😳...

What I will love to see is a similar phase for Jodha too where she too will b smitten with Jalal after realisiing all her past blunders .. I m sure its coming up too in future 😳...



Thats it from me .. waiting for your comments , takes , praises and brickbats too πŸ˜†πŸ˜³

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Fabulous writeup.. I particularly marvel at the way you write 10 main points every week.. πŸ‘πŸΌ
Kudos!! πŸ˜ƒ

Today's episode kind off redeems a bit of Jodha's character for that controversial bedroom scene..

Loved the way she stood up for Jalal today.. πŸ˜ƒ

I am hoping that after this amer track.. Jodha is less rude and more cordial with Jalal.. 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Tu aa hi Gayi with your forever female is right morcha ! πŸ˜› gith se leaky jodha tak koi tujhe nahi badal pata ! 🀣

Anyways ! I have argued a lot and discussed a lot abt the Shehensha ke farz scene ! Don't seriously have any more energy to diss Jo ! πŸ˜›

Well put it straight : I wasn't even bothered abt what Jalal feels seeing she doesn't care ! He does get hurt but he knows inside she cares so he always puts her in spot to make her confess it !

My problem was mostly about how they are portraying Princess and Queen Jodha Bai !
Before that epi I had told manasi that finally jodha will understand Jalal's dilemma since she is this FIGURATIVE person who always sees objects beyond their use for symbolic values, and the aaan baan shaan of a pagdhi-sword is NOT limited to only one clan ! For every true blue emperor is IS their most valued possession ! Uske liye mahabharat ho Gayi toh yeh kalyug ke Mughal ya Rajput kya ! πŸ€”

It's about showing a rajputani famous for her reign as the most valorous and famous for her wealth of knowledge, beauty and a queen for whom the biggest emperor broke rules to make her his equal rulin partner in politics and trade !
And they can NOT show her boorish ebough to say "I don't even want your life as a king and all I do is pity you "πŸ˜”
Like Jalal said destiny choses u !
You are a Damn royal and no way can u run from it ! Period !

Yes ! Her bitter truth should hit and it did hit Jalal hard , but how much brains does it take to make jodha assertively ask him with a true confident look than make her sarcastically mock his life !???? And NO adham khan is not our story screenplay writer to accept such silly flows !

And then today you show her the true blue royal who uses logic and says no one can demand from amer what is te property of Mughals ?!?!

Just keep her that subtle jodha rather than making her a ping pong ! Flaw makes them what they are but not at the cost of making them clowns in te name of "historic interpretation " be it Jalal almost slitting her or jodha who has no brains at times to think !

The root of this is the tiger combination ! Where they chopped a flow and then since we r getting pendulum epis !
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We have seen enough shows ! And the rule is you cannot let the writing go sappy atleast till the first year of the show or atleast a 100-150 epis !

The push up scenes, ohhh aaahhh , nose one and today's episodes were brilliant ! 🀣

This show is portraying Jalal jodha far away from what they really were , and that is what makes us fall in this fairy tale version of passionate people , but I have seen some awesome passion scenes with a subtlety and really demand that from writers who are capable of it ! No need to take way that undercurrent regal subtlety from them ! 😎

Logic chalta hai ! Remember " forget logic if you want magic "? 😑 🀣 so I'm toh alway hungry for logic less hawt scenes ! 🀣 apni bhookh mite ! But not by making a twisty stick of characters !

Ok Bahut bad bad Liya ! Side effects of talking to you after weeks!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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quiet frankly I fail to understand the divide in the forum, some not liking the teasing/flirtimg scene, some angry with jodha etc etc.
i loved your post,πŸ‘ i think you have raised some really valid points. Jalal may not be rational in his behaviour right now because he is attracted to his wife. he appreciates her brutal honesty even if it hurts him and we kno wthat jalal is a stickler for the truth.
I am enjoying the track, i want to see more sweet teasing and quabbles between them
please post again on other topics😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Khush amazing take sweetie...Its obvious you write it just as your thoughts flow...so while one line you're swooning over something another line you're cursing someone...
but, it feels like I'm talking to you as I read it...
and I agree with Khush...what Jo did today was right...but that would not undo what she did day before...

@ jyoti
People can be erratic in love, but their basic personality should remain somewhat same - her royal breeding cannot be undone just cos she's in denial and that's something CVs should keep consistent...

She needn't be today's Jo everyday, but she definitely should not be what she was day before either! 😊 She is meant to be more straightforward (while yet strong) not as multi-layered as Jalal...(Ruqs and MA are multilayered females in the serial) so while attempting to keep Jo straightforward, they should keep her characterization so too😳
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Posted: 11 years ago
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loved ur post..it was excellentπŸ‘πŸ‘
Superb analysisπŸ‘πŸΌ
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Jyoti:
Sensational post!πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘
I have spent all week on my daily posts going through all the same points, but your title for this post "Love has No Logic" fully sums up the issue for me! That is a big point, and no amount of hair-splitting can reach us anywhere else. In fact if it is logical, its probably not love!


Jyoti, there is something important I want to add to the points you have made with regard to this last week's angst on the storyline and the characterisations of Jodha and Jalal.
From the words I heard around last week in diverse posts that "Jalal is a huge emperor who is masterful ... and Jodha is after all the small princess of a tiny praanth ... how dare she tukrao-fy or put a distance between herself and this huge King ... how dare she put her family above showing that she cares for him ... how dare she hurt his feelings ... how dare she say that he should leave Amer ... how dare she expect that he will run after her like a "poodle" etc etc." ...
... I get the personal (and professional) question whether the general bias for Jalal and against Jodha is coming perhaps from an issue of comfort level with stereotypes.
I am not sure if it is, I am just questioning whether it may be so.
That is, if Jodha (small praanth lady that she is) had fallen for a stand-offish Jalal would it perhaps have seemed more comfortable? But when a Jalal (great emeperor that he is) is falling for a stand-offish Jodha is it perhaps seeming more uncomfortable?
If the situation were reversed would that feel generally more comfortable or right? If Jalal were to be stand-offish with Jodha, and she were the one who fell for him first and was trying to win his love, would that be more acceptable and desired?
I ask this question because at the time that Jalal said after the suicide that he saved Jodha not because he cared but for the sake of the Sultanate, there was no hue and cry at all!
It seems to me that when both were not in love, so to speak, and both were stand-offish with each other there was not so much general angst. But when Jalal started falling for Jodha, and Jodha still remains stand-offish, the discomfort level with Jalal falling for her while she is ostensibly still stand-offish could be earning him the label of being a "being a poodle" while she is earning a label as being "heartless".
Perhaps such a feeling comes because there is the expectation of the hero as the one who should be calling the shots in a relationship and not the heroine? If that's the case, then when the heroine seems to be driving the pace of the relationship there is bound to be discomfort. There is also bound to be a wish therefore to find explanations of the actions of the hero and that could lead to a comfort with his "doing all this from a sense of revenge" and "not love".
My job as a Brand Strategist has further informed my asking such questions in my own mind, because my job has allowed me to look at the serious research on TV viewership of serials and it has reconfirmed to me the existence of "stereotype expectations" of the hero and heroine. Research shows that more viewers like the typical comfort of a man being less demonstrative of his love (and therefore not a "poodle"), while a woman is more openly caring (and therefore not "heartless").
Since the viewership of serials is predominantly a female audience, it is only perfectly understandable and natural that the general sentiment of women towards a love story should be on typical lines. If that is the case, it is OK that most people feel that way. That's the way life is. I accept and appreciate that!
At this stage I would llike to ask my fellow-viewers to ponder one extra point: In Jodha's case she is more stand-offish at the current moment than Jalal is (as he has fallen for her much more) but while that is cutting through the stereotype of hero and heroine, at the same time, there is a streak of fairness and loyalty in her that makes her stand up for his position in every instance, which is being missed.
We would not get to see or appreciate this side of Jodha, if for example, she were the "poodle" in the relationship and he were the "masterful one" and everyone is happy!
Jodha's quality and character of loyalty and fairness is coming to the fore thanks to the Creatives showing her otherwise stand-offish behaviour being juxtaposed against her loyalties and silent caring for Jalal!
Just one more question that comes to mind, Jyoti, after reading what you have written about Jalal being "a true Shahenshah" by showing his forgiveness of Jodha's words and still wooing her:
Does it not show Jalal as a bigger and even better human being if he is able to be "vulnerable" to a woman he loves? It takes great courage and self-honesty in a man to show himself as "vulnerable in love". It is not a sign of being "submissive to a heartless woman", it is a sign of a man being so self-confident of himself that it does not matter to him if the one he has fallen for should read the state of his heart or even not yet reciprocate his feelings!
This is my purely personal assessment about this general angst that I have seen all around. But I understand and appreciate these viewpoints fully and have respect for people with such sentiments , even if I myself do not subscribe to stereotypes.
In my posts I have not seen Jodha's role or Jalal's role as one being submissive to another or one being masterful over another. They are just at different stages of readiness for closeness, and it does not matter to me whether he is more ready than she is at this point. Man and woman are equal and anyone can be more ready than the other!
As for the characterisations not being consistent, that's where the beauty of your post today lies, Jyoti! Love has no logic, so consistency is absolutely not what we should expect, at this stage I think? The more up and down the characters behave, the more it tells me that they are feeling the surge of strong feelings they don't know how to handle!

And finally I absolutely love your summing up:

Love has no logic 😳


Last but not the least , I believe we should not look for too much of logic during this love phase of Jalal-Jodha since love itself has no definition or boundaries or logic 😳... We wont say love is blind if it had logic , isn't it πŸ˜›,.. Jalal right now is falling in love with Jodha .. so to b fair to the man , I dont expect him to apply too much of logic to her bitter words now that he is smitten with her beauty 😳...

What I will love to see is a similar phase for Jodha too where she too will b smitten with Jalal after realisiing all her past blunders .. I m sure its coming up too in future 😳...


Beautiful piece, Jyoti! You've picked the same points I would have picked myself as highlights of the week!
Edited by skanda12 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Khush-

Tu aa hi Gayi with your forever female is right morcha ! πŸ˜› gith se leaky jodha tak koi tujhe nahi badal pata ! 🀣

Anyways ! I have argued a lot and discussed a lot abt the Shehensha ke farz scene ! Don't seriously have any more energy to diss Jo ! πŸ˜›

Well put it straight : I wasn't even bothered abt what Jalal feels seeing she doesn't care ! He does get hurt but he knows inside she cares so he always puts her in spot to make her confess it !

My problem was mostly about how they are portraying Princess and Queen Jodha Bai !
Before that epi I had told manasi that finally jodha will understand Jalal's dilemma since she is this FIGURATIVE person who always sees objects beyond their use for symbolic values, and the aaan baan shaan of a pagdhi-sword is NOT limited to only one clan ! For every true blue emperor is IS their most valued possession ! Uske liye mahabharat ho Gayi toh yeh kalyug ke Mughal ya Rajput kya ! πŸ€”

It's about showing a rajputani famous for her reign as the most valorous and famous for her wealth of knowledge, beauty and a queen for whom the biggest emperor broke rules to make her his equal rulin partner in politics and trade !
And they can NOT show her boorish ebough to say "I don't even want your life as a king and all I do is pity you "πŸ˜”
Like Jalal said destiny choses u !
You are a Damn royal and no way can u run from it ! Period !

Yes ! Her bitter truth should hit and it did hit Jalal hard , but how much brains does it take to make jodha assertively ask him with a true confident look than make her sarcastically mock his life !???? And NO adham khan is not our story screenplay writer to accept such silly flows !

And then today you show her the true blue royal who uses logic and says no one can demand from amer what is te property of Mughals ?!?!

Just keep her that subtle jodha rather than making her a ping pong ! Flaw makes them what they are but not at the cost of making them clowns in te name of "historic interpretation " be it Jalal almost slitting her or jodha who has no brains at times to think !

The root of this is the tiger combination ! Where they chopped a flow and then since we r getting pendulum epis !
😑

We have seen enough shows ! And the rule is you cannot let the writing go sappy atleast till the first year of the show or atleast a 100-150 epis !

The push up scenes, ohhh aaahhh , nose one and today's episodes were brilliant ! 🀣

This show is portraying Jalal jodha far away from what they really were , and that is what makes us fall in this fairy tale version of passionate people , but I have seen some awesome passion scenes with a subtlety and really demand that from writers who are capable of it ! No need to take way that undercurrent regal subtlety from them ! 😎

Logic chalta hai ! Remember " forget logic if you want magic "? 😑 🀣 so I'm toh alway hungry for logic less hawt scenes ! 🀣 apni bhookh mite ! But not by making a twisty stick of characters !

Ok Bahut bad bad Liya ! Side effects of talking to you after weeks!

Khush: Yes you made your points in my post a few days back also, but do see my post here in this thread that hopes to give you some answers to the questions in your mind. Does my reply help?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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EXcellent post πŸ‘ πŸ‘

Loving Jodha & Jalal More n more wd each passing day 😳
AkDha ☺️
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Posted: 11 years ago
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mansi I agree whole heartedly with ur post...Forum is very biased towards Jalal and anti Jodha...Even after yesterday's episode Jodha is not praised as much as she should be...or as Jallu would be praised in similar circumstances...
Again I agree that ppl often repeat that Jodha comes from a small state like Amer...and what will she understand abt the politics of Agra...This argument is mostly used to bash Jodha...


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