JA Oct 4th - Jalal Cheeni kum please - Page 3

Originally posted by: lashy

Why Jalal was sweet

1) He totally expects her behaviour now - hence, the 'saving saanp' from you dialogue...NOTHING she does aggravates him. He's become a cool cucumber around her...because, there's just no point getting agitated. He has other things to be agitated about!

2) Their solitude together - For starters its the first time they both are alone - so no one to incite Jalal against Jodha, no untoward palace incidents, no Kanha for her to cry to etc etc

3) Religious visit - It was first religious place of visit we've seen him with her...he's bound to be calm. He's always been shown to be a calm person when prayers have been going on...even when he was a Jallad!

4) Her suicide Her suicide attempt has completely jolted HIM (more than it has her in fact!)- it was almost an overnight transition...the very reason he opened his heart out to MA in that fashion 3 epis ago was purely for this reason...it's obvious that his feelings for her have changed...he watches her with empathy now..therefore asking Lord for HER dua...when have we ever seen him ask the Lord for anyone else's dua...when suddenly a person in your family attempts suicide - whether you were dear to them or not...the way you approach them will change right after that, will it not?

That's why even when he asked her not to come to the dargah he was not rude...

In fact, after the outburst - following the suicide attempt, he has begun understanding her loneliness. Not once has he lost his temper with her (except briefly during the assassin fiasco which was again justified!)

5) And he's not all THAT sweet either - The manner in which he talked to the snake was very sarcastic (Even I haven't touched her yet, how could you...had you bitten her you'd die an insufferable death etc ). One more thing, he DID force her to come hunting and his statements that animals die to entertain Kings is still a mark of his arrogance...I think they've shown the transition BEAUTIFULLY...He's sweet with her, but still arrogant otherwise - like the way he dismissed his minister when they said it'd be better if he took protection along!

6) There's no sudden romance Except for that trip-fall (where they stare but not gaze) not once during the dargah trip did Jalal gaze at her beauty or feel attracted to her...he's cordial, but platonic. I don't see a rush yet. She wasn't attracted either -even AFTER he saved her from the snake...I'm glad they're taking it in the right pace...remember, how she mistook him about the baba-donation bit. After that too, all of her expressions were those of a 'pleasant surprise' -that's all! Its bound to be...when they never spend such time together, how will she know such a side to him existed? So, she was amazed that the shehenshah she know otherwise had this side to him too...

Thus, in order to maintain balance, they haven't shown Jo melted yet.

Just like how her suicide was the biggest EMOTIONAL JOLT for him after the MC...Jalal's near death experience will be her's...she WLL show overnight changes from there, take it from me!

If NEAR-DEATH experiences doesn't change a person, what else would Meghana?

Sorry, that I didn't agree with your take...but just stated my opinions yaar...please don't feel offended or anything...was wondering that if I presented it this way it might help you see things in a new light..😳

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Originally posted by: Nowsheen

I am SO with you on this! Sick of Jodha's lectures and rudeness. No matter what Jalal does, ALL he gets from Jodha is MORE 'satya vachan" 😕! I want to see some changes in Jodha now, instead of Jalal. She seems more from the "typical desi nagging wife" clan than from any Rajputs...arrrgghh! 😡

Originally posted by: sashashyam

You know, Meghana, it is not quite so bad as it looks, and our medieval Rhett is not going to become the Manav of Jodha Akbar. Let me give you my take on this and see if you agree with it, even partially. And forget the incurable romantics in the forum.

Methinks the real key to Jalal's behaviour with Jodha - during the tent squabble, after the snake episode,and at the dargah - lies in his perception of their shared sense of being rootless and not belonging anywhere, and having no one who really cares for them, that he describes the other day, ostensibly to Mahaam, but really to himself and perhaps to an invisible Jodha.

Because of this feeling of kinship, and because he thinks he can understand her hidden desperation that surfaces in illogical and immature reactions, like an obstreperous child having a tantrum and drumming its heels on the floor, he goes the extra mile, not to be provoked into retaliating in kind, and being accommodating with her.

That is why, as I hope to bring out in my post on yesterday's episode as and when I get that done, he lets Jodha down so gently after the snake episode, helping her recover from her acute embarassment by turning it into a joke. The sarcasm is there, but it is not bitter, for all that he does show how much her accusations hurt him - kitna kuch suna diya.. roz roz marte hain..

She is not of the same mettle. I would have been pleased and impressed if she had immediately apologised, without any holding back, for her folly. But she lacks the grace and the sensitivity to do that. She is preachy and self-important, and the Mohan episode should hit her hard where it counts, or so one hopes. But despite all this, he has succeeded in making her feel guilty and ashamed of herself.

To revert, that is also why he guides he so gently in the mazhar, explains, with a little pause while he searches his memory for the right word, that what he is asking her to eat is the prasad. It is why he prays for her wish to come true and tells her so. It is his territory, he belongs there, but for her it is strange and he wants to make sure that she is comfortable.

He also wants her to feel comfortable with him. You know, while it might seem that the reason for his making her accompany him on the hunt is to get back at her by scaring her and harassing her, is, I think it is more of what I noted above, trying to get her used to being with him,even if she cribs and nags at him non stop.That he why he teases her to talk with him, so that interactions between them become commonplace, and do not seem strange and awkward. When it gets to be too much, he shushes her abruptly.

In fact, as you yourself have noted, the whole build up to the shikar is vintage Jalal, but without any hostility as of old.

It is not love. It is more that she is a challenge of the kind he has not faced till now. He tackles it the way his Khan Baba has taught him. When a straight on attack does not work,then you adopt salami tactics, fine slice by fine slice.

In the process, he will find that she has, with all her follies, her pigheadedness, her self-righteous bhashanbaazi, insinuated herself into his being, so much so that she becomes indispensable to his comfort.

Jodha is a very warmhearted and good girl, but she is opinionated, unyielding in her prejudices, and with no understanding of anything beyond her Amer. It is like a frog in a well. She has no idea of the complexities of an empire, and worse, has no desire to learn either. She has been spoilt by her whole family and told constantly that she can do no wrong, and here in Agra, Hamida spoils her even worse. No wonder she is the way she is.

It would do her a lot of good to fall helplessly in love, and have to try and win over the object of her affections. I hope this happens, in the sense that she discovers she is in love with him before he discovers that he is in love with her. It is not impossible, for he will interpret his soft corner for her as due to the kinship of ek hi kashti mein sawaar hone ki. Let us see!

Finally, his stopping Jodha from donating her jewellery and giving his, right down to the shahi pagdi, had nothing to do with his wanting to please Jodha. He was being the Shahenshah, which is something that pervades every cell of his being at all times, and a Shahenshah has to make these grand gestures, and make them exclusively. He asserts his pet prejudice that his begum should not strip herself of her jewels, and shooes Jodha off abruptly without a word of explanation, but he gives that explanation to the fakir.

This fetches him the unexpected bonus of warm praise from the guardian of the dargah at Ajmer Sharif, for having come so humbly, like a common man, without his shahi pagdi!

As for the sufi scene, they copy the film assiduously, so it is no use complaining about it!😉 At least it was very brief, and the still beatific look on Jalal's face was very expressive.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: meghanajain

Lashy, please do not apologize as I like to hear other people's opinion and specially yours because I know you are positive no matter what. Getting back to your response, I did not mean that they are falling for each other. In fact they are not even close, thank god for that! My whole issue is that Jalal is changing way too fast whereas Jodha is taking her own time. I agree that the suicide act has shaken him and hence no losing temper on Jodha anymore. This part I am fine with. They are making Jalal do obvious things so that Jodha can see how nice Jalal is. They could have done small things that she could observe from a distance or find out later. Instead she has to witness the giving away turban incident, tell her that he wished for her wish to be fulfilled, tell her that she doesnt have to pray. If he had not said anything and later Jodha found out on her own, it would have been okay. Like she found out about how he let the boys parents free or how he cared for MA. But, you see this Jodha is all about herself and unless someone shows her something right there on the face she does not get it.

That's the whole reason she does not understand that it was not Jalal's fault entirely for their marriage. If she had this understanding which Ash did in the movie the relationship between them would have never been so bitter. She is the one who came with all the ghrina. At that time Jalal only main motto was to break her gurur. But as he was trying to do that he saw something in her that he had never seen. He openly applauded those qualities and the need to put her down was slowly going away. The thing that completely made me go mad was Jodha's wish to get a chance to teach Jalal a lesson, that was just too much for me to take. Hope you see where I am coming from...

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Originally posted by: lashy

Oh with that I have no argument...Jodha is very prejudiced against Jalal...she is not like the Ash in the movie...however, the subtler Ash suited the subtler HR in the movie...

Here we had a crueller Jalal to begin with (who's toned down now) and so the Jodha's more feisty too to match...that was Ekta's intention from the beginning if you see their montages even before show was released...

The reason for this altered Jodha is purely Indian TRP audience...a movie only needs to sustain viewer interest for a short span unlike a serial...look at the lead heroes and heroines in top TRP serials...they have to be larger-than-life, jarring and dramebaaz...Serials that depict subtler more down-to-earth leads don't seem to incite as much excitement in the audience - at least for prolonged periods...Gone are the days of humbler Doordarshan dailies!

For e.g. MP serial characters I've heard are far truer to their historical portrayal - but it doesn't seem to evoke the same TRPs (and thus interest?) amongst the masses as JA does...why, even MA's hamshakal track seemed to interest the audience! In this day and age where TRPs have the ultimate say, me thinks Ekta is playing her cards right...right amount of tadka + history + drama + romance ...shout and holler as we might - the proof's in the TRPs na...

Therefore, I've resigned to the fact that JA with a slightly over-dramatic Jodha is better than no JA at all...

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