JA Oct 4th - Jalal Cheeni kum please - Page 2

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Jodha's character and dialogue is not being a princess and queen

She speaks very badly more like a saas-bahu serial vamp giving tana at every sentence.

Pls change her character graph and make her more good(in words) she can be aggressive but words are not suiting a royal princess pls

Look at ash character in movie aggressive but never crossing limit with an emperor

Akbar is an emperor and everyone has to respect that even if its a wife who hates him. She cannot treat him like some shit in front of everyone pls. It makes Akbar look like a hen pecked husband the way he listen to her taunts and gaalis

i completely agree with u! although paridhi is doing full justice to her role but i liked the way aishwarya delivered her dialogues, she was firm but knew her limits..the character of our telly jodha is dramatized to the extent that they have completely butchered it! as akbar i like rajat more because of his body language and dialogue delivery, it has more power and is more regal in appearance..hats off to RT! and as far as being sweet is concerned that cud be due to the after shock of suicide attempt and then realization of her loneliness!

the prob is actually with the portrayal of jodha's character. a strong women character is gud, but there is diff. b/w being strong & unnecessary rudeness. her anger towards jalal is justified, but prob is tht things r getting bit too much.

yr no offence to ur views nd opinions .
bt jalal hv to b sweeter nw.i mean yez we like ofcrse his rude typ style..a shehenshah wala tashan..bt we knw akbar ws so soft bt heart..so down to earth person.he chngd aftr his marriage wd jodha..we seen rude style of him nw he shd b gvn sm sweetness to.if nt den hw we wll witness hw akbar ws wen he chnged. i didnt find so sweeet akbar here. he hs sm rudeness ..nd d way he ws behvng in ajmer shariff ws ok.aftr al he had gone to pray to his god nt on a War.at hunting tym we seen his anger face aftr al ;-) nd yeah M nt corrcting u on dt point ki jodha shd b teach lessons to akbar. its ok nw lol.now jodha shud dvlop a "Gud wala side" fr jalal in her heart.no more angry and bewajah dialogues.

I am SO with you on this! Sick of Jodha's lectures and rudeness. No matter what Jalal does, ALL he gets from Jodha is MORE 'satya vachan" 😕! I want to see some changes in Jodha now, instead of Jalal. She seems more from the "typical desi nagging wife" clan than from any Rajputs...arrrgghh! 😡

You know, Meghana, it is not quite so bad as it looks, and our medieval Rhett is not going to become the Manav of Jodha Akbar. Let me give you my take on this and see if you agree with it, even partially. And forget the incurable romantics in the forum.

Methinks the real key to Jalal's behaviour with Jodha - during the tent squabble, after the snake episode,and at the dargah - lies in his perception of their shared sense of being rootless and not belonging anywhere, and having no one who really cares for them, that he describes the other day, ostensibly to Mahaam, but really to himself and perhaps to an invisible Jodha.

Because of this feeling of kinship, and because he thinks he can understand her hidden desperation that surfaces in illogical and immature reactions, like an obstreperous child having a tantrum and drumming its heels on the floor, he goes the extra mile, not to be provoked into retaliating in kind, and being accommodating with her.

That is why, as I hope to bring out in my post on yesterday's episode as and when I get that done, he lets Jodha down so gently after the snake episode, helping her recover from her acute embarassment by turning it into a joke. The sarcasm is there, but it is not bitter, for all that he does show how much her accusations hurt him - kitna kuch suna diya.. roz roz marte hain..

She is not of the same mettle. I would have been pleased and impressed if she had immediately apologised, without any holding back, for her folly. But she lacks the grace and the sensitivity to do that. She is preachy and self-important, and the Mohan episode should hit her hard where it counts, or so one hopes. But despite all this, he has succeeded in making her feel guilty and ashamed of herself.

To revert, that is also why he guides he so gently in the mazhar, explains, with a little pause while he searches his memory for the right word, that what he is asking her to eat is the prasad. It is why he prays for her wish to come true and tells her so. It is his territory, he belongs there, but for her it is strange and he wants to make sure that she is comfortable.

He also wants her to feel comfortable with him. You know, while it might seem that the reason for his making her accompany him on the hunt is to get back at her by scaring her and harassing her, is, I think it is more of what I noted above, trying to get her used to being with him,even if she cribs and nags at him non stop.That he why he teases her to talk with him, so that interactions between them become commonplace, and do not seem strange and awkward. When it gets to be too much, he shushes her abruptly.

In fact, as you yourself have noted, the whole build up to the shikar is vintage Jalal, but without any hostility as of old.

It is not love. It is more that she is a challenge of the kind he has not faced till now. He tackles it the way his Khan Baba has taught him. When a straight on attack does not work,then you adopt salami tactics, fine slice by fine slice.

In the process, he will find that she has, with all her follies, her pigheadedness, her self-righteous bhashanbaazi, insinuated herself into his being, so much so that she becomes indispensable to his comfort.

Jodha is a very warmhearted and good girl, but she is opinionated, unyielding in her prejudices, and with no understanding of anything beyond her Amer. It is like a frog in a well. She has no idea of the complexities of an empire, and worse, has no desire to learn either. She has been spoilt by her whole family and told constantly that she can do no wrong, and here in Agra, Hamida spoils her even worse. No wonder she is the way she is.

It would do her a lot of good to fall helplessly in love, and have to try and win over the object of her affections. I hope this happens, in the sense that she discovers she is in love with him before he discovers that he is in love with her. It is not impossible, for he will interpret his soft corner for her as due to the kinship of ek hi kashti mein sawaar hone ki. Let us see!

Finally, his stopping Jodha from donating her jewellery and giving his, right down to the shahi pagdi, had nothing to do with his wanting to please Jodha. He was being the Shahenshah, which is something that pervades every cell of his being at all times, and a Shahenshah has to make these grand gestures, and make them exclusively. He asserts his pet prejudice that his begum should not strip herself of her jewels, and shooes Jodha off abruptly without a word of explanation, but he gives that explanation to the fakir.

This fetches him the unexpected bonus of warm praise from the guardian of the dargah at Ajmer Sharif, for having come so humbly, like a common man, without his shahi pagdi!

As for the sufi scene, they copy the film assiduously, so it is no use complaining about it!😉 At least it was very brief, and the still beatific look on Jalal's face was very expressive.

Shyamala

Dear Lashy,

Do see my own post above, it covers a lot of the same ground. I am now off to look at yours.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: lashy

Why Jalal was sweet

1) He totally expects her behaviour now - hence, the 'saving saanp' from you dialogue...NOTHING she does aggravates him. He's become a cool cucumber around her...because, there's just no point getting agitated. He has other things to be agitated about!

2) Their solitude together - For starters its the first time they both are alone - so no one to incite Jalal against Jodha, no untoward palace incidents, no Kanha for her to cry to etc etc

3) Religious visit - It was first religious place of visit we've seen him with her...he's bound to be calm. He's always been shown to be a calm person when prayers have been going on...even when he was a Jallad!

4) Her suicide Her suicide attempt has completely jolted HIM (more than it has her in fact!)- it was almost an overnight transition...the very reason he opened his heart out to MA in that fashion 3 epis ago was purely for this reason...it's obvious that his feelings for her have changed...he watches her with empathy now..therefore asking Lord for HER dua...when have we ever seen him ask the Lord for anyone else's dua...when suddenly a person in your family attempts suicide - whether you were dear to them or not...the way you approach them will change right after that, will it not?

That's why even when he asked her not to come to the dargah he was not rude...

In fact, after the outburst - following the suicide attempt, he has begun understanding her loneliness. Not once has he lost his temper with her (except briefly during the assassin fiasco which was again justified!)

5) And he's not all THAT sweet either - The manner in which he talked to the snake was very sarcastic (Even I haven't touched her yet, how could you...had you bitten her you'd die an insufferable death etc ). One more thing, he DID force her to come hunting and his statements that animals die to entertain Kings is still a mark of his arrogance...I think they've shown the transition BEAUTIFULLY...He's sweet with her, but still arrogant otherwise - like the way he dismissed his minister when they said it'd be better if he took protection along!

6) There's no sudden romance Except for that trip-fall (where they stare but not gaze) not once during the dargah trip did Jalal gaze at her beauty or feel attracted to her...he's cordial, but platonic. I don't see a rush yet. She wasn't attracted either -even AFTER he saved her from the snake...I'm glad they're taking it in the right pace...remember, how she mistook him about the baba-donation bit. After that too, all of her expressions were those of a 'pleasant surprise' -that's all! Its bound to be...when they never spend such time together, how will she know such a side to him existed? So, she was amazed that the shehenshah she know otherwise had this side to him too...

Thus, in order to maintain balance, they haven't shown Jo melted yet.

Just like how her suicide was the biggest EMOTIONAL JOLT for him after the MC...Jalal's near death experience will be her's...she WLL show overnight changes from there, take it from me!

If NEAR-DEATH experiences doesn't change a person, what else would Meghana?

Sorry, that I didn't agree with your take...but just stated my opinions yaar...please don't feel offended or anything...was wondering that if I presented it this way it might help you see things in a new light..😳

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Originally posted by: myviewprem

Jodha's character and dialogue is not being a princess and queen

She speaks very badly more like a saas-bahu serial vamp giving tana at every sentence.

Pls change her character graph and make her more good(in words) she can be aggressive but words are not suiting a royal princess pls

Look at ash character in movie aggressive but never crossing limit with an emperor

Akbar is an emperor and everyone has to respect that even if its a wife who hates him. She cannot treat him like some shit in front of everyone pls. It makes Akbar look like a hen pecked husband the way he listen to her taunts and gaalis

Originally posted by: mandyg

i completely agree with u! although paridhi is doing full justice to her role but i liked the way aishwarya delivered her dialogues, she was firm but knew her limits..the character of our telly jodha is dramatized to the extent that they have completely butchered it! as akbar i like rajat more because of his body language and dialogue delivery, it has more power and is more regal in appearance..hats off to RT! and as far as being sweet is concerned that cud be due to the after shock of suicide attempt and then realization of her loneliness!

Originally posted by: munnirony

the prob is actually with the portrayal of jodha's character. a strong women character is gud, but there is diff. b/w being strong & unnecessary rudeness. her anger towards jalal is justified, but prob is tht things r getting bit too much.

as per jalal goes, he isnt doing anything to impress jodha, in fact he isnt even bothered whether jodha is impressed by him or not. jalal or akbar was religious from day one. so the religious thing was always in him, its nothing to do with sweetness. 2ndly, jodha's suicide attempt is a big concern for him. so he is dealing jodha with patience so tht she doesnt take another "hyper" step. jalal hasnt changed he had just changed his tactics. actually the transitions b/w the scenes r very weak in this show, thts why maybe it seems bit odd, but the story wise its well & gud.