Jodha Akbar 77: Matters of the heart & the Hand of God - Page 2

Originally posted by: lashy

I wish too that at least for once she reflected upon at least some of the good he's done to her..even IF sceptically...at least once that those thoughts came to her mind...alas, they never have!

Beautiful epsode Shyamala..

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

She hasn't lost everything. Jalal could have forcefully sent her to Amer. He doesn't need a wife who publicly disrespects him. Why should he put up with her behavior? He has better things to do with his time. Plus, he has given her to all her demands. He is being nice and cordial to her.. What else do you expect him to do?

of course it's her who has lost. abt disrespect, then he started it by asking her to sing publically. he humiliated her first , not vice-versa. she is not a public property, but he is making everything abt her open to public. nothing is more insulting, dear , if ur own hubby is making u a public interest. Just coz he is Emperor, doesn't give him right to humiliate her in public.

no need to put up with her behavior. leave her. but he has to save his own face, coz if she dies , he will be blamed. so he doesn't allow her to die. but what was need to call her parents to agra, and talk to them in public? if he doesn't want her in his life "AS PER HER WISH", , he himself should have send her back to Amer. why wait for somebody to come? THIS IS INSULT BIGGER THAN ANYTHING.

and u see, that was 15th century. for Rajputs, (specially ladies) their self respect was more than life or death.. and he is crushing it everyday. that's why i said , she has lost everything.

Thank you, my dear Lashy, and it is also a given that I enjoy your comments as much as you enjoy my posts.

I still feel, however, that for Jodha to think that Jalal is claiming his conjugal rights suddenly out of the blue is unbelievable. All the other things he did, and which you have listed out, are true, but not this, it is not in the same category at all. She should know that by now, and what she exclaims sounds exactly like the luchche,lafange, tere ghar mein maa behen nahin hai kya? of the 1960s movie heroines (except the maa, behen part, of course!). 😉

When will they give her a modicum of perceptiveness and some intelligence of the emotional kind?

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: lashy

A dreamy scene, that, the door of that room being unlocked by Hoshiyaar (did Jalal leave the key in the lock?

Dreamy is the word indeed...very aesthetically shot ...pleasing...the morning yellow a striking contrast to the dark blue hues that dominated the room the previous night...the cameraman got that one right!

Ruqaiya: I loved the way she is shown as being reconciled to Jodha going to Ajmer with Jalal, because she believes in the Pir Baba's edict and is genuinely concerned about Jalal's safety and well being. One could see, from the way he looks back at her retreating form, that Jalal feels the same. This little vignette underlines, after a long time, the special quality of the bond that the two share. Jodha will one day be the love of Jalal's life, but she cannot become the friend that Ruqaiya was and is to him.

Unfortunately, if one is to follow khabroo's post...the CVs have apparently kept a torrent of misdeeds from MA/Ruqs end - numerous efforts by the evil duo (do they join hands?) to make the almost-in-love couple drift apart once again, post their return from Ajmer! So this might be the last we see of a genial Ruqs for a long while me thinks...I wish Ekta didn't have to succumb to the draw of portraying the 'other wife' in a negative light...but, even if we go by mass sentiments (as is seen in the forum) seems like she's playing her 'drama/TRP' cards right!

Whence the overt bitterness of his Aap wo aakhri shaksiyat hain jis se hum apne liye dua mangwayenge.

I absolutely loved it when he said that line to her!

As for Jodha, one wishes that she would brush up on her basic manners and do at least a pranam to her husband when she meets him.

I didn't like her cold attitude here...

Finally, she invariably has a fluent, self-justificatory, soul-improving lecture ready for Jalal. Today's was about the Raja-praja equation, really meant to make it clear to him

And actually, I did like her emphasizing that she was doing it for her praja - not because I'm supporting her - but because, it makes sense at this point of time in the serial. She is/will take time to warm up to him and they've made it very clear from the beginning. Therefore, glad they didn't show a sudden change in her attitude towards him (like in many Bollywood movies) just because he saved her from drowning and gave her a sound earful!

It will all appear so much more natural that she takes her time to understand where their relationship stands and thereafter how her husband truly is. As it is, her conscience has started talking to her about her mistakes...and her one second (worry-filled) gasp when HB mentioned about Jalal's life was possibly another positive glimpse! At this moment, she's more into rectifying her minuses than recognizing Jalal's pluses. Anyway, a baby step at a time is better than both - no step at all or too many steps at once! [One is boring - while the other makes little sense, right?🤔]

The precap: Yes, yes, I know the chronology is not right, but it fits in here. In yesternight's precap, it was understandable for Jodha to scream when her sheet is suddenly pulled off, but what she accused Jalal of thereafter was plain ridiculous.She seems to think he is acting fresh with her - and he is her lawfully wedded husband! - but it never occurs to her that if he was so inclined, he could have forced himself on her any day and every day, but he said he would not, and he had never since made the slightest overture to her.

Yet, Jalal is not really the most predictable of characters and Jodha has witnessed it many-a-time..he's shown to be reckless when driven by anger...who knows what transpired between them before that? She's seen him topple Holi plates, tear through dupattas, give her blue wounds, choke her in blinded rage, mete her callous threats - all of it! So, when unexpectedly awoken in such manner from sleep, how else would she react? It'd appear too odd, if she accepted the whole thing with a calm mind when she came to her senses. She's always been shown eons away from a Salima! When Jodha has never been shown to accept even Jalal's compliments wholeheartedly, then how could we expect her to accept this bit? Again, true to her portrayal here me thinks...😳

What he said was apparently to his Badiammi, but really to himself, as he dissected, with the precision of a surgeon's scalpel and the honesty that is one of Jalal's main traits, what he felt about Jodha and about himself, and how distinct the similarity was between their respective fates and their present/ past situations.

The strand of hair that he instinctively hides from Mahaam, as being too personal for outside scrutiny, but which is not the conventional love token - as a revelation not of a romantic longing for Jodha, but of something rarer and more precious. A revelation of a sense of kinship with her, rooted in the perception that they share something crucial, the arid loneliness of the soul that comes from not belonging anywhere or to anyone.

To revert, what the above tells us of Jalal as he is now is as incredibly moving as it is almost unbelievable. He has a degree of sensitivity, of the ability to see things from the other's point of view, to get into another's skin, so to speak, plus a degree of honesty, of candour, in disclosing his secret sorrows, that is unbelievable in such an accredited alpha male, and that too one who is an emperor to the purple born. He can not merely understand Jodha with his mind, he can feel what she is now feeling, with his heart.

It is this deep feeling of kinship, and the solidarity that comes from such kinship - which she too will come to recognize and share some day soon - that will set their love apart, on a plane high above that of a standard issue romance.

I was just -> as I read all of the above

Jodha is not there, at this level of sensitivity, as yet. I would have expected her to remember what he had learnt of his terrible childhood and extrapolate from that to some measure of understanding, and even a degree of empathy, for his present temperament. But there seems to be no immediate likelihood of that happening.

I wish too that at least for once she reflected upon at least some of the good he's done to her..even IF sceptically...at least once that those thoughts came to her mind...alas, they never have!

Lovely lovely write-up as usual!😃

of course it's her who has lost. abt disrespect, then he started it by asking her to sing publically.That was wrong, agreed.. But did you notice that she was making no effort to involve herself in the ceremony.. Rukaiya took this as an opportunity. In life, if you don't help yourself. People will try to take advantage for sure.

No, Jaya, on second thoughts, I think you do.Jalal does tell the banjaras at Sambhar that he understands something of their dialect.

My comment was really more of a joke, actually.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: deejagi

Normally it is known as all the royals will learn to read & write many languages and Devanagari is supposed to be the basic language of HIndus (who are more prominant ni India) even Ruqaiya could have studied it and so she could read Jodha's poem. As far as Jalal's ability to understand the language, he always had the habit of spying around the enemy territory before attacking to learn about their security measures. So abviously he shold be well versed with the other languages.

Sorry if I don'r make sense over here (with my thought)

Jaya

No, my dear, for all that I agree with very little of what you have said here, I will not" feel, i always take Jodha's side"! There, happy? Now that is a joke, so don't get upset with me over it, there is a good girl!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

good post , aunty. Loved Jalal MA convo yest. loved his maturity. only if he can show it with his Amer ki Mirchi, i ll appreciate it more.

Just in another post i had said, there is a saying " let the slipping dog lie" same goes for Jalal Jodha scene. he already knew she has agreed to go with him without any question. what was the need to go to her and ask her to refuse? u don't want her with u, so refuse on ur own , who is to stop u? why u want her to take blame for u? she has already agreed, and now if she refuses , then she will be again in bad lights, why she should agree on such thing?

and now she is retorting back, he doesn't like it. she hasn't come to him asking to talk to HB. he rather should appreciate that she respects his mom and obeys her even when she still hates him to core.

sorry, but it's him who keeps provoking her to retort back. u may feel, i always take Jodha's side. but it's not the case.

for me right now , she is at a point where she has lost everything, nothing left for her to lose. if u think this POV, her behavior is expected. but for Jalal , his judgement of her has wronged. he may have thought of her to be like others but, no she is way too different. if he wants to see the REAL HER, then he will have to move forward and do something that will pull her towards new life. else for her life has already stopped.

Another great post.⭐️⭐️

😆Ruqaiya's face, all beaming "Ammijaan, hum chahte hai ki Suraj ki peheli Kiran hum pad pade Duya kijiyega" ''Ameen" and then the Drop of face seeing the unofficial Begum-e-Khaas II laying their cuddled up recieving the "Aftab ka pehela Noor"

I really appriciate how this Aftab ka pehela Noor was handled by the CVs, you said it right Aunty, They somethime have brainwaves.

And for the Door part you mentioned, Jalal entered their from the secret passage, locked Jodha there and went out throught the same passage and then came inside the Palace throught the main door.Ruqaiya entered the room through the Palace opening, which wasn't used by Jalal.

Jalal must have learned or known Devnagri, It isn't possible to rule Hindustan without having atleast a little knowledge of Languages of other culture among the varied cultures of India.

For Jodha I don;t know, maybe she is a Royal so she have to be a little familiar with neighbour's Kingdom's language or it the Power of being Soulmate😆😉 or just being for almost one month in Mughal surroundings, It isn't that Diffcult. We also understand that without knowing Urdu don't we? No? Ohh I do!

Jodha's lehenga was good today!

Precap: I think there was Mohini[Snake] crwaling on Jodha's sheet so Jalal did that "Ashobniye Harkart' of his which indicates a "Ashobhniy Acharan"

Or else who does this type of thing without a reason???