Jodha Akbar 76: Beloved enemy - Page 7

Yes, Anu (?), I agree with all of this. Except that as of now, I have not seen her giving him much of caring; the defence at the bazaar was for the Shahenshah, not for Jalal.

With him the Mughal aan, baan aur shaan leit motif , and his assertion of his dislike for her, are clearly a defence mechanism, as was evident afresh from his very moving exchange tonight with Mahaam. He understands Jodha, though she gets on his nerves non-stop. She neither understands him, nor will she make for him even a fraction of the allowances she makes even for those who plot against her, like Ruqaiya or Mahaam.
So I do not equate them in the matter of blind stubbornness.

As I wrote to Nandini earlier on this thread, Jodha is a very warmhearted and good girl, but she is opinionated, unyielding in her prejudices, and with no understanding of anything beyond her Amer. It is like a frog in a well. She has no idea of the complexities of an empire, and worse, has no desire to learn either. She has been spoilt by her whole family and told constantly that she can do no wrong, and here in Agra, Hamida spoils her even worse. No wonder she is the way she is.

It would do her a lot of good to fall helplessly in love, and have to try and win over the object of her affections. Alas, it is unlikely to happen, given the usne haivaan ko banaya insaan theme!

Thank you for the kind comments on this post and others of mine.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: prejudiced

As always, loved reading your perspective.

All in all, for me it was a winning episode where the director had taken a lot of small things into account.

MA's shrewdness was impressive, like she said- Jalal doesn't
yet understand Jodha's effect on him.

Jodha repeated remembering Jalal's reason for marrying her was interesting an thought provoking.

The duo riding the horse together was worth million repeats. . No wonder it provided delight to the onlookers.

Now 2 things where Jalal gained a lot of respect in my view point.

1. Him taking Jodha via the secret passage to avoid questions.

2. Him pausing and reassuring Moti that her beloved queen is safe and fine. I just loved it!

Now the Mughal Sultan ki izzat will fall in the same cadre as Ghrina for me as I felt these two are too proud to attribute the care and attention they give each other to anything else.

Hi Shyamala,
Can u or Anyone here in the Forum find the reason why the CVs come up with a Ja in BT scene every week????😕 Who gave them this idea that ppl will eat this fodder voraciously, when the episode itself is a Withered One??😡

Agreed that Rt does have a good Physique , But this BT scene (Ja alone or RB ) is as repetitive and irksome as are the "Ghrinaa"s, "Guroor"s and " Sultanate ke Khateer" s...🤢

And , GOD....This" Wretched Jodha "and her "Ashobhan Aacharan" vachan coming up now...!!

WHY on EARTH do the CVs make her look like a complete "Obstinate Donkey" with such Impactless dialogues and self-pity??😒

Regards,
Kamal

Thank you, my dear, above all for being so concerned about the fiascos today. It was a potentially sticky situation, but we came out of it more easily than it looked like at the beginning.

The title was rather neat, wasn't it? I used to love the Regency novels of Georgette Heyer, who was at times like a toned down version of Jane Austen and generally very enjoyable, but I have not read any others but hers. It is a pleasant genre if done well. Who wrote your Beloved Enemy?

Yes, it is good that there is no sudden about turn in their mutual hostility, but Jodha is still pretty much where she was, whereas Jalal is evolving fast. What he was saying to Mahaam today was incredibly compassionate and understanding of where Jodha was coming from the previous day.

I would have expected Jodha to remember his terrible childhood and extrapolate from that about his present temperament. But there seems to be no immediate likelihood of that happening. In today's precap, she was ridiculous. She seems to think he is acting fresh with her - and he is her lawfully wedded husband! - and it never occurs to her that if he was so inclined, he could have forced himself on her any day and every day.

She is stupid beyond belief these days, and I begin to despair of her. As I wrote earlier in this thread to Tripti, Jodha is now becoming that most disastrous of things for an actor, boring. She looks, in that armour plate-like necklet and her stiff costume, like a stuffed turkey. Her face, set in rigid anger, also looks as if she is coming down with the mumps. Her eyes are puffy and narrowed. And this when she is, at her best, really beautiful!

Finally, she inevitably has a nice, self-justificatory, soul-improving lecture ready for Jalal.

I begin to think Suryabhan was better off sar ke bina, all things considered. Bechara Jalal to phans gaya; gale mein akti huyi hai yeh Begum Jodha, ne nigalte bane ne thookte bane.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: Star_girl

Gorgeous post as usual, Ma'am. You, indeed had quite a terrible day, and I hope you're okay now. Getting locked out is seriously annoying. I speak from experience. 😆

And yes, loved the episode last night. I felt that this was possibly the final bursting forth of the dreaded "Ghrina", before they slowly build a friendship and understanding. I like how they kept the relationship build-up realistic, and the leads did not instantly change their minds about one another. They still dislike one another, but at least they have started to communicate. That's a progress. 😆 I really enjoyed the Moti-Jalal scene near the end. Jalal's assurance was really touching. The last episode was all about Jalal, as Mansi mentioned, Rajat did a great job.

By the by, I love the title. I remember reading a regency romance with the same title. Beloved enemy, indeed.

Kamal, as regards your last, anguished query, I do not have a clue. The woman is demented. she seems to think he is acting fresh with her, whereas he could, if he was so inclined, have forced himself on her whenever he so chose.

One wonders, by the way, if Jalal understands what ashobaniya aacharan means. What do you think?

As for Jalal in his hamaam, as the mother of a 6 packer of a son, I can assure you that Rajat is nowhere in the 'ripped' class as far as his physique goes. But there must be a lot of young girls who love those scenes.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: KDR81

Hi Shyamala,
Can u or Anyone here in the Forum find the reason why the CVs come up with a Ja in BT scene every week????😕 Who gave them this idea that ppl will eat this fodder voraciously, when the episode itself is a Withered One??😡

Agreed that Rt does have a good Physique , But this BT scene (Ja alone or RB ) is as repetitive and irksome as are the "Ghrinaa"s, "Guroor"s and " Sultanate ke Khateer" s...🤢

And , GOD....This" Wretched Jodha "and her "Ashobhan Aacharan" vachan coming up now...!!

WHY on EARTH do the CVs make her look like a complete "Obstinate Donkey" with such Impactless dialogues and self-pity??😒

Regards,
Kamal

Thank you, my dear.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: Effinelf

What an wonderful post

Thank you for such lovely comments, Lashy dear.

Being shut out in the cold under the circumstances you describe must have been terrible. I cannot imagine how you coped,especially with 2 toddlers stuck inside and no means of communication. My problem today was a piece of cake in comparison with yours.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: lashy

Aunty...😃

I should add that the additional delay is because I was locked into my bedroom for a good part of the morning when the door lock got jammed, and then I found, to my dismay, that I had left my purse in the bank yesterday afternoon, and was able to retrieve it, and my assorted pieces of plastic, only past lunchtime (this being Gandhi Jayanti). I am waiting for the third calamity to arrive before nightfall!😉

Comedy of errors its been for you...🤗here's a hug to make you feel better...I had the opposite happen to me a year back...I was locked out on a wet cold London morning barefoot...with my 2 babies inside all alone - no neighbours around..no cellphone...but, THAT's another story altogether!

Anyway...lets look at the bright side...thankfully since you've been late today, I am pretty much on the second page instead of tenth😆

It was a very charming scene, lit up by Rajat's mischievous smile, and the comic element was delightful. Along comes Begum Hoity Toity, her disdainful nose well up in the air, affecting to ignore the fact that her obnoxious patidev is openly contradicting his earlier assertion and niharofying her unblinkingly.

🤣🤣🤣 for some reason these lines above made me giggle like a school girl

This is such a tired staple of romantic scenes in films, and even more so in TV serials, that is it very difficult to keep oneself from laughing at it. The poor actors, especially the girl - who is stuck in that that awkward position for as long as 2 minutes at times just because that is the director's idea of the high romantic - struggle to look lovelorn. All the while, the one is hoping that he does not suddenly drop her, and the other saying to himself Lord, she weighs far more than I would have imagined!

🤣🤣🤣 and here again!

But Jalal and Jodha manage to make even this old chestnut look fresh.

awww...so you liked it then...😳 and loved your praise of PARIJAT!

I liked it even more that when Moti petitioned him tearfully to look for the heartbroken Jodha himself, as only he would be able to do find her, he actually listens and then moves swiftly into action.

If Jalal and Jodha wouldn't have clicked...this would be my next couple of choice...

By contrast, his patience with the hapless guard who was unable to stop Jodha from leaving the fort on horseback was exemplary. Here is a just ruler, who does not penalize an underling for failing to stop something that was beyond his ability to handle.

LOVED IT...that whole scene was well directed...

His action plan was impeccable, but still, it was pure serendipity that he happened to land on the same track across the hills that Jodha follows,

That and dramatic license too ...or we'd be writing a different story altogether today... with all possibility that a wet and grumpy Jodha returned to the Mahal all alone - realizing she couldn't drown since shewas a better swimmer than she thought herself to be, while Jalal is still riding horsey horsey in town searching for her!

She seemed to be bouncing too much in the saddle, probably the effect of inadequately assimilated, recent riding lessons; she was out of sync with the rise and fall of the horse's back.

I really pity Paridhi here...riding a horse is much tougher than learning to swim or cycle..and that too you're dealing with an animal that you can never say you truly control. Now with all that finery, an inappropriate rider's dress and expressions that have to show something else only means that scene must have been the toughest one of hers till date...poor thing...the back-crunching fall pales in comparison aunty!

Usually, it is she who dishes this line out to him; it is the first time that she is shown to be obsessed by his hatred for her. Very interesting.

Yes...😳

Ruqaiya , for her part, proves the truth of the old adage None so blind as those who will not see.

👏

His blaming her for putting a sword to the throat of the Shahenshah is illogical, for she did not know then that it was he, and he should be grateful for that. If she had known it, he would surely have had no head at all, and thus no way of yelling at her now!😉

So true...my hypothesis on this is that ..its generally a better bet for the leads in a show to have some form of compatibility wisdom wise...now Jodha's lines have been the only one that'd have been unreasonable so long...therefore, Ekta decided to balance it all by giving Jalal a brief flash of selective inconsistency!

Be that as it may, he makes it a point, despite his justified anger, to reassure her that even if she was unwanted in her maayka, she still had a place in the Agra palace, with all the honours due to a Begum. That was very thoughtful and indeed kind. !

But for this, one had to watch them long distance, as the amused peasantry was doing. Their indulgent smiles proved anew that all the world loves a lover, and if there are two of them, why they love them twice as much!

I was in love with those peasants just as I was with Akdha...

As for the last bits, he was a *Swoon* worthy Jalal ...swoon worthy indeed!

Putri, shudh Hindi shabdon ke prayog mein aapki nipunta se avgat hokar hum atyant prasanna huye!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Super Kool

Aunty, the forum-waasis(of course, including me) were in a daze yesterday...I am sorry to start again...but, they are sizzling...ain't they??

I sound like a cheerleader of maham...but, the woman deserves her place in Agra and jalal's life...her foresight, intelligence and political acumen are praiseworthy...she has the eye to see the hidden (why couldn't she use her intelligence for something constructive? Wasting it on adham)...maham has her hidden agenda but ruku will surly regret for not paying heed to maham's advice...because, every other begum knows how it feels to not have shehensha's undivided attention or any attention at all...and from my assessment of ruk...she will not settle for any thing less...

Alakh had correctly pointed out...jodha thought of only two people before jumping in that pool(god bless it!!!)...her mother and jalal...these two have the power to make her or break her...

After the rescue mission...jalal poured out his frustration, resentment and his confused emotions...he is still not over 'you had put a sword on my throat' episode...I think, this particular incident made an otherwise usual conquest a very personal affair...it stoked his obsession and interest to an extent that he is still reeling under it...

Jalal bolwed me over with that secret passage episode...his stern warning to Hamida bano left me grinning...it was a polished version of...stop spoiling her...

He assured moti Bai of jodha's well being...So thoughtful...

Aftab ka penal noor...Cvs love to surprise us...it was a pleasant one...

Oops...I have written atyant lamba post...Hume kshma karein...aap ko humari itni Baatein padhani padi...par hum utsahit hain...aur swayam ko rok nai paye...

Loved the post...the pool and it's aftermath part takes the cake...beautifully described...title of the post is bang on!!!...👍🏼

P.S.- horse ride...☺️

P.P.S.- aunty, you had an eventful day...😉 Aaj ke liye bahot ho Gaya...🤗

Tripti, if I was still feeling the least but grumpy about the fiascos today, your post would have been enough to cheer me up! Especially the last sentence! But you see, they would not have let her fall in the mud and then have to duplicate that joda all over again!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais

I marvel at your ability to sound cheery, if I had been locked up for as long as you had , I would've been distraught! Apart from my claustrophobia problem, but being barred into your room, accident notwithstanding; is my no.1 on my Nightmare List! So I am so glad you're safe & seem fine, Sasha Aunty! 🤗

Now that I've swooned at that scene enough, can I just tell you how disappointed I am? The quality of the scene didn't match upto the one in my head barring a few details, and it was too short! But I did love it nontheless, disappointment & all.

Jodha's mad dash on the horse reminded me of the Princess & The Pea story for some reason, she wasn't laden with jewels in that one but her heavy ghagra & being on the horse made her look strange but despite that she handled it well .

And what to say of Rajat? He is perfect in every way, every day!!! . The minute that that annoying green Persian cat of his proclaimed that Jodha doesn't even want him & worse , that she is sure she has disappeared only to commit suicide; Rajat's face showed glimpses of all emotions- Alarm, anger, sadness . And that continued in this episode too. His raging at her daasis was typical of Alpha-Males. Misplaced worry & being scared out of his wits (the scene where Ruq reminds him of the Rajputi rasam of Jauhar) found its place in this daasi-scare.

His face softened only when Moti Bai dropped down to the ground & I totally saw what you saw Aunty. There was something in that deep ,heart-felt plea that spurred Jalal into personally locating Jodha. Like an excellent, but stubborn horse who needed a good push! And this one is an Imperial horse at that! 😆😊

Jalal has too much confidence on his Emperor-Ship or on Jodha if he actually expected her to halt when he issued her that verbal farmaan! 😆Arre pyaare nyaare Jallu-Jaan. Jab jeevat hain tab toh har farmaan ko thukraaya hain. Jab Marne jaa Rahi kya farmaan aur kya armaan 😆

Jodha's pre-jump scene was done well, esp the flashbacks she had. Interesting to note that it was Jalal raging at her declaring his nafrat for her, that made her take that one jump into that lake. Nice! Some where, whether Jodha admits it or not, it bothers her too much that Jalal hates her too. It angers her, bothers her & because she doesn't understand why & fears that too, she has suppressed it. Pre-marriage she thought that even though she hates him, there had to be some value she possessed that was valued in Jalal's drishti. It wasn't voiced or even implied but I felt it. It was only when he was drunk & the bangle tod scene took place & she realised that Jalal hates her too; that her Hatred , revealed itself full-force.

The awaam seeing the part Rajput-part Mughal couple on horseback was so cute. Even if illogical. No man could ever even raise his eyes above the ground if a Mughal woman was in the area & women were told to keep to this rule too, but because it was a sweet sight seeing their bashful smiles & implication of their perceptions, I shall say i liked it. 😃

Maham Anga maybe Satan's mother but her sharp as tack & computer -like brain sizes up everything & by telling Ruqaiiya that she will regret bringing to Jalal's notice that Jodha has gone missing, she was carrying out her agenda but there was a tinge of a favour towards Ruqaiiya.

My favourite bit: Jalal's sensitive gesture of reassuring Moti Bai & the other daasis, about Jodha's well-being 😊 . Calling Jodha "RaaniSaa" was exactly that Aunty, "a graceful concession to Rajput mores"! And a sensitivity that , One wouldn't have expected of an Emperor. It is that that, warmed me to this bit the most.

Precap: Rajat steals most scenes & as you so rightly pointed out, gives them a refreshing take. I usually laugh at overt romantic displays or ostentatious ones, but their pointed remarks & sniper-like exchanges change the tone of such scenes! ⭐️

And why exactly was Jodha talking about kaantas when there were none in sight? She just felt she had to up Jalal's mischievous comment , Good Lord, this woman, I've no idea how he bears her beyond a hour. I wish she would've fallen in that mud. 😆

Thank you, my dear, but as for your hopeful expectations, as far as Jodha is concerned, she went from bad to worse, as you would have seen. She needs the snake to slither up her pillow, the stupid girl, yelling at her husband as though he was trying to act fresh with her!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: veil_of_roses

Excellent write up aunty, i absolutely loved the way Jalal scolded jodha very much needed. As u also mentioned I loved the lines ke agra main apni begum ke liye jaga hai, n she can live here. Suicide is a very coward thing to do in general. Yes jalal surely saved jodha from tons of questions.. Tomorrow will be a new day, ppl will calm down, questions will be lighter or may not be at all.

Yes, Meghana, and they solved the pehla noor part very neatly. They are really much better than the standard issue lot.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: meghanajain

The CVs know how to keep us on the edge of the chair. We all knew it would be Jodha but we all also want to know how it would be Jodha specially when Ruqu knows about the suraj ki pehali noor. As MA was there I wonder if she will come back and warn Ruqu again that inspite of your trying to be the begum, it was only Jodha who got the noor. Good point about how Jalal stopped by to let Motibai know that she is now sultanat ki begum - men and their ego