For God's sake, what's going on? - Page 3

Nice post Mansi . I think bcoz of this stupid MC track JA losing it's viewers too

I so want this whole MC saga to end now .. tired of it

Firstly I dont get why Jalal cannot think on his own .. why everytime he has to go and take advice from Ruqaiyya .. I understand she is his most trusted begum but did CVs forget that he is a Shehenshah who almost conquered half of India with his smart presense of mind and intelligence .. The way Ruqaiyya in precap is thinking that Jodha is not a fool to suddenly blame Mahammanga despite knowing the consequences , similarly why can Jalal think about the same ?? 😕 .. I understand Mahamanga is like his mother figure , but at least he can think na why suddenly Jodha is blaming Maham .. what could b the reason and in case Jodha mentions about Rahim today (as per SBS) , then I expect Jalal to think that Jodha may not b fully wrong as the dibbi was found in Salima's room who is Rahim's mother .. So mayb there is something fishy about the whole thing .. But I m sure Jalal will not think on those lines but instead Ruqaiyya will think about it and tell Jalal which is what I dont want 🤢🤢

Secondly whats wrong with Jodha too ?? 😕.. She knows well that Maham is expert in twisting the words and playing the victim card in front of Jalal everytime , still she directly goes and charges Mahamanga saying I know u r the culprit 😕...This will make Maham even more proactive now since she knows Jodha knows it all 😡.. I expected Jodha to play smart and secretly gather proofs against Maham without letting her know about it but it seems even Jodha is competing in this whole dumbness Competition with Jalal right now

I hope the tiger track starts now because I dont think Maham will b ever exposed the rate at which Jalal and Jodha r competing with each other in dumbness .. My only hope is Ruqaiyya now 😕😆

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Why on earth should he believe Jodha - a woman who openly proclaims that she hates him to the core and is seething with resentment against what she sees as grave injustice to her and hers at his hands, plus the killing of that paragon of a husband that they had landed for Sukanya - against his foster mother, who has risked her life to save him time and time again in the past and to whom he thus owes his very existence? What is Jodha to him compared to his Badiammi, when he does not even let the woman closest to him since his childhood, Ruqaiya, say a word against her?

How do you suppose Jodha would react if Jalal were to accuse Mynavati of a similar offence? Why, she springs to defend Motibai with such ferocity just because she believes that Woh aise kabhi nahin kar sakti. If that is laudable, why do you all object so strongly to Jalal defending Mahaam? It is not at all consistent.

And why should Jalal not consult Ruqaiya, his lifelong friend and confidante, about each and any problem he faces? Remember the opening description of Ruqaiya in a voice over when Jalal decides to go to Agra to meet and consult her before deciding to take on Amer?

I do not understand this 'he should think independently' cribbing at all. If all kings were to think and act on their own, why then do they have trusted advisers? Was it ok when he consulted Shamsuddin? Yes? But why? Because he spoke in favour of publicly exculpating Jodha & Co.?

But if that was fine, why not his consulting with Ruqaiya now about this matter, which he cannot discuss with Shamsuddin for obvious reasons? Why does that make him 'weak and dependent'? And what Shamsuddin tells him is the very opposite of what you are advocating here. He wants every charge evaluated calmly before announcing any punishment. Here you want him to believe Jodha against his Badiammi, and on what evidence? None that he, or I, could see as yet.

No one objects when Jodha runs to Moti about everything.Why does no one say that this princess with the mind of a chess grandmaster should keep her own counsel and decide things on her own?

And pray what precisely is Jalal supposed to do while following this 'act independently' prescription? I am sure no one here knows that, any more than Bharmal, the potbellied, pompous perisher, as the immortal PG Wodehouse would have described him, did when he pontificated about bada nyaya and badi lakeer.

I would have liked to see him spouting such stuff to Louis XIV of France a century later, not to speak of Henry VIII of England or even his less choleric daughter Elizabeth I. He would have been instantly clapped up in the Bastille or the Tower of London.

Many here seem to forget what Jalal really is. And he is not, or rather he should not be, merely the son in law of the king, and that too only by Jalal's grace, of an insignificant little principality in Rajputana.

And this is what is beginning to disturb me about this Jalal. Hrithik's Jalal never stooped too far, never lost his dignity, even when he had to come to Amer to fetch Jodha back. There was a kingliness about him that was ever present. And his sasur too behaved appropriately.

This one is letting the Amer lot trample all over him and as sun29 puts it with such felicity, he is becoming like a mandir ki ghanti, jise koyi bhi bajake chala jata hai. It is ridiculous, completely out of place historically, and implausible even in terms of a strong male lead, not to speak of an emperor. What to speak of an emperor, catch a Rhett Butler behaving so supinely!

Much more, or even worse, of this Jalal, and I will be liberated from this Tar Baby of a show.

Shyamala

Shyamala even I m not expecting Jalal to believe Jodha .. he should not .. there is no reason to believe her .. I only wish to see Jalal hving a mind of his own being the shehenshah .,. since he is so determined to find out the real culprits and he himself knows that its someone from inside only .. so when one of the person is telling something be it Jodha or XYZ, all I expect is Jalal to think rather than jumping to conclusion or always running to Ruqaiyya to complain like a 5 yr old baby

In this case I m sure Jodha will present Rahim too in front of Jalal today as we hv seen in SBS itself .. now Jalal being the intelligent king , cant he make 2 and 2 equal to 4 in this case thinking Rahim is Salima ka son and if Rahim did tell Jodha something , there could b some truth as dibbi was found from Salima ka room only ...

This kind of thinking I want Jalal to do instead of Ruqaiyya

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Mansi,

I see that you have not commented on my thread, probably because you were substantially at odds with it. It is the same with me,but as you have asked me to put down my views, I will. I do not agree with anything of this except the part on Jodha, where we are on the same page. As for your take on Jalal, I agree only with the part in parentheses.

Why on earth should he believe Jodha - a woman who openly proclaims that she hates him to the core and is seething with resentment against what she sees as grave injustice to her and hers at his hands, plus the killing of that paragon of a husband that they had landed for Sukanya - against his foster mother, who has risked her life to save him time and time again in the past and to whom he thus owes his very existence? What is Jodha to him compared to his Badiammi, when he does not even let the woman closest to him since his childhood, Ruqaiya, say a word against her?

How do you suppose Jodha would react if Jalal were to accuse Mynavati of a similar offence? Why, she springs to defend Motibai with such ferocity just because she believes that Woh aise kabhi nahin kar sakti. If that is laudable, why do you all object so strongly to Jalal defending Mahaam? It is not at all consistent.

And why should Jalal not consult Ruqaiya, his lifelong friend and confidante, about each and any problem he faces? Remember the opening description of Ruqaiya in a voice over when Jalal decides to go to Agra to meet and consult her before deciding to take on Amer?

I do not understand this 'he should think independently' cribbing at all. If all kings were to think and act on their own, why then do they have trusted advisers? Was it ok when he consulted Shamsuddin? Yes? But why? Because he spoke in favour of publicly exculpating Jodha & Co.?

But if that was fine, why not his consulting with Ruqaiya now about this matter, which he cannot discuss with Shamsuddin for obvious reasons? Why does that make him 'weak and dependent'? And what Shamsuddin tells him is the very opposite of what you are advocating here. He wants every charge evaluated calmly before announcing any punishment. Here you want him to believe Jodha against his Badiammi, and on what evidence? None that he, or I, could see as yet.

No one objects when Jodha runs to Moti about everything.Why does no one say that this princess with the mind of a chess grandmaster should keep her own counsel and decide things on her own?

And pray what precisely is Jalal supposed to do while following this 'act independently' prescription? I am sure no one here knows that, any more than Bharmal, the potbellied, pompous perisher, as the immortal PG Wodehouse would have described him, did when he pontificated about bada nyaya and badi lakeer.

I would have liked to see him spouting such stuff to Louis XIV of France a century later, not to speak of Henry VIII of England or even his less choleric daughter Elizabeth I. He would have been instantly clapped up in the Bastille or the Tower of London.

Many here seem to forget what Jalal really is. And he is not, or rather he should not be, merely the son in law of the king, and that too only by Jalal's grace, of an insignificant little principality in Rajputana.

And this is what is beginning to disturb me about this Jalal. Hrithik's Jalal never stooped too far, never lost his dignity, even when he had to come to Amer to fetch Jodha back. There was a kingliness about him that was ever present. And his sasur too behaved appropriately.

This one is letting the Amer lot trample all over him and as sun29 puts it with such felicity, he is becoming like a mandir ki ghanti, jise koyi bhi bajake chala jata hai. It is ridiculous, completely out of place historically, and implausible even in terms of a strong male lead, not to speak of an emperor. What to speak of an emperor, catch a Rhett Butler behaving so supinely!

Much more, or even worse, of this Jalal, and I will be liberated from this Tar Baby of a show.

Shyamala

take a bow aunty👏👏 ..take a bow.👏👏...lots of hugs n kisses to u🤗🤗

n after your destail description...why cant he take advise to his most favorite n why cant he trust MA even like jodha did to moti n why he should behave as mghty emperor for bhrmal insolence then ..if some body really dont get it then it would be real loss

Originally posted by: skanda12

Shyamala:

I think we have hit the one point where we disagree completely - in the way we perceive the characterisation-strength of the principal leads (i.e.Jodha and Jalal).

Of course, as I've mentioned elsewhere my crib is not with Jodha per se or Jalal per se, for it is always possible in any story to find reasons for why they are what they are. My crib is with the Creatives. I do not like the way they have shown either Jodha or Jalal and would have much preferred to see a story where the principal leads display more independence (conferring is one thing, but I see Jalal's "dependence" here ... and perception is a very subjective thing).

Given that our perceptions of what is happening to the leads is so different, it is no wonder then that the story's progress is analysed differently by us too. But the more the opinions the merrier the forum!

They, the creatives will have to show the evoluation of both Jodha and Jalal from their current impulsive nature to more matured Emperor & Queen. If Jalal was perfect and would have taken the entire burden of thinking / acting on his own, what is need for the other people like BK, MA & Ruq. These were the 3 people with whom he spent his child hood till date. they were the once, who were available for him to consult, discuss or to confess when ever he need some ear to speak.

Originally posted by: jyoti06

Shyamala even I m not expecting Jalal to believe Jodha .. he should not .. there is no reason to believe her .. I only wish to see Jalal hving a mind of his own being the shehenshah .,. since he is so determined to find out the real culprits and he himself knows that its someone from inside only .. so when one of the person is telling something be it Jodha or XYZ, all I expect is Jalal to think rather than jumping to conclusion or always running to Ruqaiyya to complain like a 5 yr old baby

In this case I m sure Jodha will present Rahim too in front of Jalal today as we hv seen in SBS itself .. now Jalal being the intelligent king , cant he make 2 and 2 equal to 4 in this case thinking Rahim is Salima ka son and if Rahim did tell Jodha something , there could b some truth as dibbi was found from Salima ka room only ...

This kind of thinking I want Jalal to do instead of Ruqaiyya

First scene I thought that Jodha is very smart that she didn't tell Anyone anything. But then she called up MA and told her everything that was very dumb

Frankly I have heard so many times that MA saved his life so why shouldnt he trust her? Fine but going by that account Amer lot also saved his life...Why is this fact neglected or respected so little by Jalal himself...

Originally posted by: elasingh

Frankly I have heard so many times that MA saved his life so why shouldnt he trust her? Fine but going by that account Amer lot also saved his life...Why is this fact neglected or respected so little by Jalal himself...

Jalal is said to be a very good judge of character but he cant judge the character of his near and dear ones? Sad it is...

Doesn't speak highly of a king who trusts someone blindly...This is a big mistake ...For the on sitting on throne is nobody's friend or enemy or relative...

Finally MA is not his mother ...

I loved the way BM talked to him and told him indirctly that Amer can pick up the sword against him also to save their honour ...Ofcourse both Jalal and Bharmal know the Amer doesnt stand a chance against Agra but that is not the point...The thing is they will fight to finish if the situation so demanded...

I loved Jalal's shamefaced look...There is still hope for him yet...