For God's sake, what's going on?

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Friends, yesterday's episode has left me wondering what is going on in four areas. I wonder if you all feel the same annd what your thoughts are. Do please share your thoughts with me on these four issues:

1. Jodha's plan and then its execution

Big words were said by Jodha to Moti on her smart plan to handle this Mahamanga issue. I was as usual perplexed that this Jodha constantly needs this Moti as her sounding board, but nevertheless, I was for a moment taken by surprise at the sudden smartness of Jodha in explaining her plan. She decided she would not immmediately rush to Jalal with the information that Rahim had given because:

a. Jalal would anyway give maximum credence only to Maham (on account of his unquestioning loyalties)

b. The word of a child is shaky ground and should not be used as final proof of someone's culpability

c. Maham is too shrewd an operator and therefore one must proceed cautiously in nailing her with as much concrete evidence to hand as possible.

Having said all these very intelligent things, let's look at the execution of the strategy:

a. Jodha "summons" Maham to the kitchen via Moti (which already perks up Maham's ears that something is afoot and different, that needs watching).

b. In the kitchen she deliberately (and rather amateurishly) let's slip the words "kesar" and "dature ka ark" albeit with some humming and hawing (but Maham has by now sensed the direction of Jodha's progress!)

c. She then suddenly turns round and says "You are the mixing expert - and you were behind the miscarriage-kesar-mixing saga, were you not?" (how awfully clever of Jodha is that?)

The net result: Maham had one small moment's doubt when she suggested to Jodha that they iron this issue out with Jalal, and Jodha readily agreed. But there ended the Jodha show and there began the sensational Maham show where Maham did three smart things:

a. She started by taking blame on herself for the miscarriage saga (before Jodha could even marshal her opening arguments)

b. She cleverly took moral responsibility for not being careful in her supervision and checking of materials reaching the palace (she did not take responsibility for the mixing of the ark!)

c. She suggested to Jalal that everything she ever did was always at the behest of her superiors (the Shahenshah and Begums) of the palace, and thus even her admission of guilt was at the behest of Jodha (whose as yet unvoiced accusation of her was shown up as another instance requiring display of her loyalties as a dutiful baandhi).

Let's all stand and clap for the stupidity of our heroine who for a moment stumped us with her intelligence and then reduced it all to a "tain-tain-fiss"! Wow, this is the kind of butchery of the heroine by the Creatives I have always railed against, and yesterday I had it coming! Since I suspect this miscarriage saga to continue into the whole of this week (reserving next week for the cheetah/tiger), I am steeling myself to take today's upcoming episode also on the chin!

2. Jalal dependency on Ruq

Okay, now let's go to the other continuing instance of character-butchery. Jalal too initially surprised me yesterday by his oh-so-dignified response to Bharmal's fatherly advice. He started out with such a sober, in-control and "thinking" expression on his face, that I was almost beginning to believe that finally his character is changing for the better. I started belieiving that finally the Creatives were making him rely on his own brains for the next steps, and I thought I could almost hear his brain beginning to go tick-tock ... but, alas, his thoughtful expression had me totally fooled. He was merely, it seems, pensive, but certainly not yet a thinking man! For what does he do in the precap? After hugging the hiccupping-and-sobbing Mahamanga and falling for her crocodile tears, and after giving Jodha a baleful but mute stare, the precap shows him back to conferring with his by-far-brainier adviser Ruqaiya and telling her in a plaintiveand childish whining voice "Jodha is blaming Mahamanga without proof!", to which he then needs Ruqaiya to tell him "But Jodha is no bewakoof and must be having some solid reasons for doing so!" (Oh, for God's sake!)

(Here I think I have to allow for the precap and the segment shown in SBS to take place today in a particular sequence. Yesterday's episode ended with Jalal staring at Jodha and hugging Mahamanga, but perhaps today's episode will open with Jodha pressing her case against Mahamanga using Rahim's testimony as further emphasis, only to find Rahim unable to open his mouth in fright as Jalal looks on at him with his eagle eyes! The SBS segment further shows Jalal shouting at Jodha and almost advancing menacingly towards her, at which Maham then calms Jalal down. I expect after this altercation ends, the precap scene will happen when Jalal tells Ruqaiya about his frustrations regarding Jodha accusing Maham, and Ruqaiya asks him to start thinking why Jodha may be doing what she is doing.)

Okay, in all this I have one major irritation already after just seeing the precap: When is this "prince among princes" ever going to use his independent brains, and why does he run to Ruqaiya every time for clarity? When, oh when, are the creatives going to make Jalal someone I can respect? Nothwithstanding Bharmal and Shahabuddin's advice, there he goes again assuming Jodha to be in the wrong when he has not even given all of the issue a good hard think-through using all of his intellect, his heart and any principles of judgement.

I am tired of this Jalal. I desperately want to see a hero who can think on his own, take initiative on his own, make sure and smart judgements and decisions, and handle events with the aplomb of a man who has the future Akbar in him. The precap looks like he is nowhere there yet, and even through this one miscarriage saga I have seen such slow evolution in him that I am close to despair. Why does Ekta make her heroes and heroines look like fools strung around by the villains like puppets. And why do these heroes and heroines need these secondary characters (like Moti, Ruq etc) to even make them aware of what to do next? Why do they need to shown as weak and dependent? Why, why, why?

3. Bharmal's "big nyaya" advice

I thought it was a good scene between Bharmal and Jalal, especially the part where Bharmal tells Jalal that the blunder he has made may go down in history as a black mark against him (and Jodha) unless he can now do some "big nyaya act" that erases his blunder from public memory and the history books. My simple and nave question is this:

Will Jalal aim to bring this "big nyaya act" into play in this miscarriage saga itself, or is it just general advice he may carry in his pocket for the future? If Jalal can end this miscarriage issue with one big and historic example of sagaciousness, it would redeem his character a good deal for me. If however (as we all expect) this miscarriage issue ends with a tame whimper and Maham goes scot-free and Jalal looks inconclusive, I know I have to wait for the day when the "big nyaya act" may come. Maybe 450 epsiodes later? Wow, by then I will have grandchildren!

4. Maham's exposure plan and timing

Okay, the million-dollar question again: Will Maham get exposed? If not, will she at least get tamed by this close skirmish with getting caught? Or will she emerge smarter than before determined to cover her tracks better next time? In other words, will Ekta continue to make the villains look like bigger and bigger heroes and the heros look like bigger and bigger idiots? No, don't tell me ... I think I know the answer to that!

As for when this story of the miscarriage will end, it looks like it may end by this week, and everyone expects the tiger/cheetah is for next week. But so far not a single spoiler pic of the tiger episode shooting has come to light. So I am not sure what to think? Next week is it tiger or no tiger (err... cheetah?!).

Yesterday Shyamala was saying it looks stupid to show that Jodha would go for shikar with Jalal (something she is already shown as hating!) whereupon the tiger would go for Jodha, Jalal would go for the tiger, and Jodha would go for Jalal's wounds with TLC! But the original spoiler on this Forum said Jalal, Jodha and Hamida would venture on a dargah visit via a jungle where the tiger story would unfold. The latter option looks more likely, but till now we have no promos, spoilers or pics that such dargah visit/jungle trek/tiger shooting is happening, so what is our fate for next week?

Edited by skanda12 - 11 years ago

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ghalibmirza thumbnail
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Posted: 11 years ago
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i too am waiting for MC track to end and tiger track to start! i feel like i am in the middle of a desert where i cannot see water..pl cvs enough is enough!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: mandyg

i too am waiting for MC track to end and tiger track to start! i feel like i am in the middle of a desert where i cannot see water..pl cvs enough is enough!

What cannot be cured has to be endured!😕
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I think you forget that Ruqayya is Jalal wife not his adviser ,... N this mc happened none other than to Ruqayya... I m sure when in future Jalal will discussing things with jodha every 1 will be praising but what exactly wrong when he is discussing the progress about Ruqayya mc to her...what exactly husband wife talk when they r alone...
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Originally posted by: neha_only

I think you forget that Ruqayya is Jalal wife not his adviser ,... N this mc happened none other than to Ruqayya... I m sure when in future Jalal will discussing things with jodha every 1 will be praising but what exactly wrong when he is discussing the progress about Ruqayya mc to her...what exactly husband wife talk when they r alone...

Discussing is one thing, but dependence is another thing entirely. I see the latter happening, once too many times!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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i named it : is dumbness ko kya naam do ...
The story starts with:-
Jalal: He is an emperor. MC happen. Jodha n her brotherws were accused based on the proof that the kesar from Amer was poisoned. He gave them punishment n gave them 10 days fine. He did not even seem to investigate the matter but once the dibbi is given to him, he realises that Jodha n her brothers were innocent n freed them. But then hes taking the dibbi from one person to another n asking details. like bus stopping to take passengers in... for god sake hes an emperor, i believe when Jodha n her brother was accused in was in the court. so this matter is just not Jalal personal thing, Mughal Waris has been killed here. Was Jalal not suppose to discuss this matter n find the culprit together with his team...
Jodha : She was not bothered at all to prove her innocent n her brothers 2 when she was kept for 10days away. I wonder why. Mayb she was emotional drain. But after getting to know shes innocent, she was not happy 2 coz she felt her people n Ameer was insulted. Fine valid enough. But there was not a point wer she thinks what happen.. why is happen... how it happen... Yday when Rahim told her, she got the clue. I agree she handle rahim well but wat hapeen after that was beyond it. She went to contront Maham Anga, she thought she got it n was very confident to take the challenge of Maham to meet Jalal the emperor but on what basis. She did tell to herself n Moti rahim is a child n cannot be used as evidence, they need more proof... What happen then Ameer Ki Shshzadi... N with her current r/ship with Jalal i wonder how she wanted Jalal to trust her words over Maham Anga knowing how powerful this lady holds him... Im not sure whether Jodha was blind all this days... to even know the fact... Both Jodha n Jalal r/ship is rocky n its diff to tell wat Jalal will do to her by accusing maham Anga his baddi Ammi...
Salima: I am not sure whether she was dissapointed Jalal Left her the other day... But this lady does not even do anything to find how the dibbi landed in Jalal n hes suspecting her earlier... When the convo between salima n jodha happen the dibbi was mention but no further action my lord... Wont salima want to prove to jalal n help to find the culprit... Oh sorry i forgot this begum of Jalal is in BK land... Fine... La La La
Ruqaiyya : She s the effected lady. she lost her child n title. She was very eager to search n find the culprit. She got the dibbi n she concluded Salima is the one... Oh really ruqaiyya, someone puts the dibbi in your chamber n you might be accused as well lady... Everyone needs a serious Wake Up Call... She saves Jodha from Jalal sword... Then she gave the evidence the dibbi to Jalal... With That Game over... Wer was she... after that until yday precap she says like Jodha is not dumb to blame MA somethinf like that... so if tmrw another person comes n tell she believes that 2... The character here are weak...
Biwi No 1: Wants the title n lost the child
Biwi No. 2 : In BK land La La La
Biwi No. 3 : I want ur head . Ghrina .
Jalal: I pity you Jalal... 😆
Jodha Brothers & King Bharmal: Are they on vacation at Agra... No one seem to do anything and on top of that Bharmal giving advise to Jalal...They decided to wait at Agra till the culprit is found but no action taken only Talking... talking... i say wat the
Hamida Begum: she badly wanted a waris 2. She wanted to walk bare foot. In the court she buy 10days time for Jodha. After that she did nothing... ??????
MA: Shes evil but shes no dumb... From the very beginning she planned everything well n still shes doing it... Well done Maham Anga , even though i hated the too much drama this lady is something that is out of the box... only thing is RAHIM saw her.. Other than that this lady is no dumb ...
Real Mother : Dun Bother
Foster Mother : Too much bothered
Jalal: Ur unlucky with wife , even mother 2... I feel for You dude ...😆
Shaguni Bai & Baba : they are not dumb, shaguni bai given prediction earlier, i just wonder why no one consulted them on this crisis. Rather than being dumb better to get some prediction from talented persons like them... After all 16th century i do believe predictors like them holds an important place ... Jai Mata Ji...
And End with : Will tiger make appearance... 😆...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: riyya6

i named it : is dumbness ko kya naam do ...

The story starts with:-
Jalal: He is an emperor. MC happen. Jodha n her brotherws were accused based on the proof that the kesar from Amer was poisoned. He gave them punishment n gave them 10 days fine. He did not even seem to investigate the matter but once the dibbi is given to him, he realises that Jodha n her brothers were innocent n freed them. But then hes taking the dibbi from one person to another n asking details. like bus stopping to take passengers in... for god sake hes an emperor, i believe when Jodha n her brother was accused in was in the court. so this matter is just not Jalal personal thing, Mughal Waris has been killed here. Was Jalal not suppose to discuss this matter n find the culprit together with his team...
Jodha : She was not bothered at all to prove her innocent n her brothers 2 when she was kept for 10days away. I wonder why. Mayb she was emotional drain. But after getting to know shes innocent, she was not happy 2 coz she felt her people n Ameer was insulted. Fine valid enough. But there was not a point wer she thinks what happen.. why is happen... how it happen... Yday when Rahim told her, she got the clue. I agree she handle rahim well but wat hapeen after that was beyond it. She went to contront Maham Anga, she thought she got it n was very confident to take the challenge of Maham to meet Jalal the emperor but on what basis. She did tell to herself n Moti rahim is a child n cannot be used as evidence, they need more proof... What happen then Ameer Ki Shshzadi... N with her current r/ship with Jalal i wonder how she wanted Jalal to trust her words over Maham Anga knowing how powerful this lady holds him... Im not sure whether Jodha was blind all this days... to even know the fact... Both Jodha n Jalal r/ship is rocky n its diff to tell wat Jalal will do to her by accusing maham Anga his baddi Ammi...
Salima: I am not sure whether she was dissapointed Jalal Left her the other day... But this lady does not even do anything to find how the dibbi landed in Jalal n hes suspecting her earlier... When the convo between salima n jodha happen the dibbi was mention but no further action my lord... Wont salima want to prove to jalal n help to find the culprit... Oh sorry i forgot this begum of Jalal is in BK land... Fine... La La La
Ruqaiyya : She s the effected lady. she lost her child n title. She was very eager to search n find the culprit. She got the dibbi n she concluded Salima is the one... Oh really ruqaiyya, someone puts the dibbi in your chamber n you might be accused as well lady... Everyone needs a serious Wake Up Call... She saves Jodha from Jalal sword... Then she gave the evidence the dibbi to Jalal... With That Game over... Wer was she... after that until yday precap she says like Jodha is not dumb to blame MA somethinf like that... so if tmrw another person comes n tell she believes that 2... The character here are weak...
Biwi No 1: Wants the title n lost the child
Biwi No. 2 : In BK land La La La
Biwi No. 3 : I want ur head . Ghrina .
Jalal: I pity you Jalal... 😆
Jodha Brothers & King Bharmal: Are they on vacation at Agra... No one seem to do anything and on top of that Bharmal giving advise to Jalal...They decided to wait at Agra till the culprit is found but no action taken only Talking... talking... i say wat the
Hamida Begum: she badly wanted a waris 2. She wanted to walk bare foot. In the court she buy 10days time for Jodha. After that she did nothing... ??????
MA: Shes evil but shes no dumb... From the very beginning she planned everything well n still shes doing it... Well done Maham Anga , even though i hated the too much drama this lady is something that is out of the box... only thing is RAHIM saw her.. Other than that this lady is no dumb ...
Real Mother : Dun Bother
Foster Mother : Too much bothered
Jalal: Ur unlucky with wife , even mother 2... I feel for You dude ...😆
Shaguni Bai & Baba : they are not dumb, shaguni bai given prediction earlier, i just wonder why no one consulted them on this crisis. Rather than being dumb better to get some prediction from talented persons like them... After all 16th century i do believe predictors like them holds an important place ... Jai Mata Ji...
And End with : Will tiger make appearance... 😆...

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Posted: 11 years ago
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mansi this icon is famous between me n my reduxian at IPK :-
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I really don't know why and have no proofs for that but still feel that Jodha has some backup plan and that is teh reason she provoked Maham. May be she is trying to see what will Maham do with Rahim? Whether she will reprimand Rahim the same way she did with Moti, I don't know but for sure as hell, Jodha purposely provoked maham and she knew very well that this issue will go in front of Jalal and as always he will believe his Badi Ammi and show his bulged eyes to Jodha. Now that Maham has cried her crocodile tears and Jalal has drowned in them, she will tease Jodha with her ever crooked, wicked smile and challenge her openly, OK now it is your turn, if you can prove me wrong as I have Jalal in my side where as you have his hatred with you.
After this drama, Jalal will not listen to anyone, even if it is Hamida, that MA has done the crime so she will lapse in her survellience and only after that will Jodha get a chance to build up some evidence in this case.
And with regard to Jalal running to Ruq, it had become his habit seek suggestion either from MA, Bhairam Khan or Ruquaia. Especially when you are too confused (with your own people, can't judge them or understand them or advise them), you end up complaing it with your near owns. It is like thinking aloud and nothing else. So atleast with this Ruq will start some investigation on MA which Jalal fail to do. May be by now Jodha hs analysed this quality of Jala & Ruq, purposely made this move to bring her doubt aloud, so that Ruq can start her work which is impossible for Jodha at the moment.
In any case, I don't thik, MA will be pronounced as the culprit. may be some one else will be the scapegoat once again but she will now grow more angrier on Jodha.
As for about Tiger / Cheeta track, I hope for Jalal will be hurt or attacked by T/C and Jodha will kill that by using either Sword or Bow and Arrow. After all she is a princess who has learnt this art of fight.
jaya
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: deejagi

I really don't know why and have no proofs for that but still feel that Jodha has some backup plan and that is teh reason she provoked Maham. May be she is trying to see what will Maham do with Rahim? Whether she will reprimand Rahim the same way she did with Moti, I don't know but for sure as hell, Jodha purposely provoked maham and she knew very well that this issue will go in front of Jalal and as always he will believe his Badi Ammi and show his bulged eyes to Jodha. Now that Maham has cried her crocodile tears and Jalal has drowned in them, she will tease Jodha with her ever crooked, wicked smile and challenge her openly, OK now it is your turn, if you can prove me wrong as I have Jalal in my side where as you have his hatred with you.

After this drama, Jalal will not listen to anyone, even if it is Hamida, that MA has done the crime so she will lapse in her survellience and only after that will Jodha get a chance to build up some evidence in this case.
And with regard to Jalal running to Ruq, it had become his habit seek suggestion either from MA, Bhairam Khan or Ruquaia. Especially when you are too confused (with your own people, can't judge them or understand them or advise them), you end up complaing it with your near owns. It is like thinking aloud and nothing else. So atleast with this Ruq will start some investigation on MA which Jalal fail to do. May be by now Jodha hs analysed this quality of Jala & Ruq, purposely made this move to bring her doubt aloud, so that Ruq can start her work which is impossible for Jodha at the moment.
In any case, I don't thik, MA will be pronounced as the culprit. may be some one else will be the scapegoat once again but she will now grow more angrier on Jodha.
As for about Tiger / Cheeta track, I hope for Jalal will be hurt or attacked by T/C and Jodha will kill that by using either Sword or Bow and Arrow. After all she is a princess who has learnt this art of fight.
jaya

Jaya I hope you are right and this Jodha has some bigger plan! Umeed peh duniya kayam hai!
Edited by skanda12 - 11 years ago

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