Jodha Akbar 60: Question marks - Page 4

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

Hello Aunty.. Look what I found!!

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Folks,

I should, by rights, not do anything about the Monday episode, for there was nothing in it to analyse. But some kind young friends have asked for this, so here is a brief take, in the form of a series of questions that we might be left asking the CVs, or ourselves.

1) Jalal (and Ruqaiya) would have set my teeth on edge but for my trusty kaleidoscope, for both outdid themselves yesternight. Kamala and Alakh have identified assorted medical disorders that Jalal and /or Jodha might be suffering from, with PPD and OCD jostling for primacy, and they may well be right. But that is not what concerns me, for I have had enough of explaining their respective psyches. I now simply take both as given, and I would, for what it is worth, recommend that you do the same. - That's exactly what I do with them, too.

What I am still left wondering at is the almost impossible job the CVs have set for themselves. How on earth are they planning to get Jalal out of this deep hole - he digs it deeper with each tiresomely repetitive and childishly vicious exchange with Jodha , who seems nowhere near likely to attempt anything bright and snappy in return; I am tired to thinking of responses for this useless girl!😉 - without losing his dignity as an emperor? Like a parent apologising for having wrongly punished a child, he has to be able to climb down without crawling. It would never do for him to become a common, garden variety of lover, pleading for forgiveness from a haughty wife.

So, however much the vengeful brigade in the forum, waiting for him with belans, jhadoos, saucepans and assorted lethal implements, wants to pound him into pulp, the fact is that we have to make do with Jalal for the rest of the show, and I for one do not look forward to him becoming a doormat for Jodha to walk over. It would be painfully commonplace. That is why, every harsh scene between the two of them makes it all the tougher to get over the transition gracefully. -

So Question No. 1 is How are the CVs going to square this circle? -
I agree with the bolded parts BUT I do not want Jodha to forgive him easily. I would like Jalal to work for her forgiveness and to make it up to her in a big way.I am looking forward to see how CVs will show the repentance and forgiveness track. It is like the light at end of the tunnel during the miscarriage track.

2) a)How can the dibbiwala identify the 'man' from the harem who collected the dibbi from him? One presumes, though this part is mentioned by him in the passive tense , that the same person placed the order as well. I cannot imagine how a complete outsider can identify a harem inmate and describe him (he must have been an eunuch, as the man says is was an aadmi). - I am not sure if I heard dibbiwala say that it was man- so I will have to rewatch the part. I think the only way dibbiwala can identify if that person had some marked features on his or her body like scar or something on a hand.

b) The poor fellow is obviously petrified, and round-eyed with fear, but why? There is no one else there that we could see, except for Ruqaiya and Hoshiyaar behind the curtain. He has already seen Hoshiyaar, who fetched him, so it is not Hoshiyaar. Why then is he so scared, and of whom?- maybe he knows that the person he is going to name is close to Jalal and that no one would believe him?

3) What was it with 'Hindus killing Hindus' - a line that seems to have caused considerable dismay in the forum as likely to rile the Rajya Sabha MPs further (more of that below) - as if that was something unheard of in the annals of Rajputana?- As soons as I heard that I was like why can't they use some other dialogue (already people have other issues with the show- why give them one more reason)?

It is ludicrous to pretend that there were never any wars among the Rajputs and they never killed each other. In fact it was quite the opposite; the Rajputs , specializing and rejoicing in suicidal courage, were constantly at war with each other over real and imaginary slights. They were so disunited that any invader (Mohammed Ghori in 1192 is one prime example) had it much, much easier to defeat then than if they had formed a band mutthi. Jodha's Dadisa refers to the neighbourhood rajas coveting Amer; would their attacks on Amer not have involved bloodshed and Hinduoon se Hinduoonka sar kalam karna?

The CVs' IQ seems to match that of the Amer princes. They have completely failed to put across the real importance of what Jalal is doing in the Sujanpur 'war', Instead, they are reducing his taking the Amer princes to that battle to a pathetically vicious supplementary move by him to humiliate the Ameris/ Rajputs, and to add another swipe to the death by a thousand cuts that he is apparently planning and implementing vis a vis Jodha. Of course he baits Jodha by presenting it as such, and she promptly obliges him by looking even more woebegone and protesting to her Bapusa about the paap that her Bhaisas will be forced to commit, but that is merely a minor side issue.

What Jalal is attempting here is a political move with far-reaching ramifications for the Mughal empire, and not an attempt to make Hindus kill Hindus on behalf of the Mughals, as the shallow minded Ruqaiya imagines. He is here testing the waters for the experiment he had outlined to his ministers when he was explaining why he was marrying Jodha.

If it fails, and the Ameris were not to be relied upon, not just to fight against other Rajputs, which they did all the time, but to fight against them for the Mughal invaders, Jalal's whole, broad strategy of melding Rajputana and the Rajputs, as equals in respect and prestige but also as loyal upholders of the his regime, with the Mughal empire, will also fail. With that failure, the Mughals will never be able to belong to Hindustan . They will forever remain outsiders, and Akbar's dream for a blended Hindustan will also be stillborn.

4) What is it with the tafteesh that Jalal was supposed to be undertaking? Not only is it still up in the air, but the starting point for the 10 days seems to be constantly receding. One is used to stupidity and short memories, but this takes not just the cake, but the whole bakery😉.- Jalal keeps saying 10 days since last 4-5 episodes. It bothers me a lot when he keeps saying 10 days because I feel like with this speed they will take 0 episodes more; which I would be outrageous (So i HOPE NOT).I was thinking that did CVs have not included the time of progression or are they using the phrase "10 days" for the sake of it? Would not Jalal would counting down to 10 days because he wants to punish
(for him- "jodha") badly?

I will leave you with these questions to ponder over, and add just one footnote, about the demand by BJP Rajya Sabha MP Najma Heptullah that Jodha Akbar be banned as it defamed Akbar by showing him as marrying Jodha forcibly and keeping her in Agra by force.

Well, folks, we now have a balance between those protesting at the way the Rajputs are being shown and now those protesting against the way Akbar is being shown.

Actually, I was waiting for this from the other side. If a counter protest was really warranted, it would have been about the distortion in the depiction of Ruqaiya, but that would not get anyone het for none of the MPs would have heard of her!😉

Akbar is different, he is historical icon, along with Asoka the Great, and anything about him gets headlines.

Nothing much will come of this in practical terms, for the basic charge that Jalal married Jodha by force and was keeping her in Agra will be immediately shot down, being factually incorrect.

That is, if at all the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting gets around to looking into it. It is not at all sure that they will. But even if they do, this particular charge cannot be sustained.

Moreover, the I&B Ministry have never before banned any serial on any grounds; to do so would be opening a Pandora's box, with any number of copycat demands against other shows. It is only the odd, raunchy ad that has been banned, and the odd fashion channel that was shut down for a week or so for obscenity. So nothing will happen to Jodha Akbar.

But I hope Ekta and her CVs get a bit of a jolt and tone down this raving, ranting Jalal. He gives me a headache, even with my kaleidoscope, and without it, it would have been a full blown migraine!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Alakh dear,

This is quite something! I am sure you must be delighted, kiddo!

Except that, unless Ruqaiya has framed Mahaam Anga, it cannot be true. Secondly, it will not fit historically, and I do not think Ekta will change history quite so drastically. If Mahaam is found guilty now she will, at the very least, be banished, and that is not due for a while yet.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: imessence

I gotta get myself a keliedoscope ...damn i still have a
head ache

Originally posted by: Moontide

Dear Vanilla-e-Mint,

As you can see, my need for self expression exceeds my sense of restraint. Hence, another post.

And this is Something re Hamida Bano.

Do you remember I had mentioned in a previous post She reminds me of that gem of a man,

Lord Emsworth, the ninth Earl, Clarence Threepwood?

Well in the past episodes Hamida Bano has convinced me, She is indeed an earlier Avtaar of the Earl.

If you throw your mind back, what was the one thing that could ruffle the Earl's unwavering Calm and turn that gentle pottering dreamer into the Chengiz of his time?

The Empress of Blandings. Period.

Any inkling of a harm for the Empress and Lord Emsworth would transform.

Any new concept re her diet..he would quiver like the proverbial aspen.

Off Late Hamida Bano's bonding and inspired defense of Jodha has been absolutely similar.

And Jodha with her empress-headedness has been acting the perfect Empress.

Would like your take on this observation.

Yours

Moontide.

Originally posted by: pallavi003

aunty your post is always very charming, treat to eyes and when you give it a miss I feel there is something absent which is an obvious thing..:-) Though I thought from yesterday's episode you would hardly find anything to analyze except some intriguing lines and some OTT behaviors that they are doing now on daily basis.. Though the aarti and tilak scene was visually beautiful.. I hope jalal now understands that already 3 days have been passed and do something to find solid proofs or culprit.. I think ruqaiyaa or MA is gonna find out the culprit..and jalal till then will keep ranting those similar lines..

Originally posted by: Moontide

Dear Vanilla-e-Mint,

First things First.

Love you for forgoing your rights in favour of answering the call of Youth.

merci mille fois 😃

Coming to your first point, apart from PPD and OCD Jalaj and Jodha seems to be primarily suffering from ECS... no no before you pull out the economies of scale again, its

Extended Childhood Syndrome.

You ponder how the CVs (brains insured) will get Jalal out of the pit... well... they will go a step above brain storming...they will Brain-Tornado. The eye of which will be at the base of the pit. And lo and behold, Jalal will emmerge riding on its crest...crestfallen

As for him thinking of ways to climb down manfully...Pray tell me, what Emperor, when subjected to such Toothy Walrus close-ups for about 30 mins per day five days a week, can think in dignified terms of his Arboreal locomotory options ??

As for Jodha..the only cutting reply She can come up with now is...

"Aap ke kate huye ser ke liye humari antar mann mein aur koi agraha shesh nehi hai.

Parantu aapke Muchon ka bhabhya kartan avashyak ho chuka hai!"

To the exitable forum brigade, all I say is...

Spare the Jhadoos and Belans,

Wiith the Amir-Shurmas on his side, and all the resources of the CVs at his disposal...

Jalal is heading for the lesson of his life!!! 😉

Now to answer your Qs

1. Firstly I do not think they are in any hurry to square anything. They are in no hurry to tell their Tale. So this running round in circles suits Balaji Productions plans to a T.

Still, if you really want to delve, they will stretch the circumference of the present circle till it bursts at the seams..that way they are left with a few curved lines, which they will have an iron smith straighten out for them and then start a fresh adventure in geometry. But mind you they are not necessarily bothered about squaring it.

They can give us anything between a triangle and a polygon 😃

and a multi faceted polygon can again resemble a circle 😉

2a. You sure the dibbiwala said Aadmi and not ADHMI? 😃

I'm sure the Cvs will be really brainy here. They will make every inmate of the Harem produce their dibbi collection and any one failing to produce a sunehri dibbi will be sent to Jalal's famous Diwan-e-aam.

But for the process to commence, we need a start point for the 10-day tafteesh first. As of now, seems the tafteeshers are on an extended pre-tafteesh warm up session.

Though Maham Anga..that supreme brain did display the basics of the process recently. But that I guess was part of the how to tafteesh Boot camp.

Note to self: indian police seems to have modelled their basics of investigation and charge sheet preparation on Akbar's Tafteesh team.

2b. Thats easy... dibbiwala is petrified of the Cvs and what they might put him thru.

They can have Jodha call him a DUSHT DANAV... a name calling thats sure to stick.

They can also subject him to the very first expressions of the Amer quartret..and even I shudder at the thought of them emoting!!!

Conversely he may be called upon to identify The Man from the Harem..and we all know who is THE Man in the Harem!

3 part one. Hindus killing Hindus and kin killing kin was an unintentional by kind promo for the upcoming potential mega series 'Mahabharat'

3 part deu. Re the Sujanpur war..

If you will remember, I did predict that Jalal wants to see Jodha Tear up in pieces. So that he can then sew her up a la Baba Mustafa and win her over...so that explains the latter half of your ask.

But As for the War itself, I'm a lil conphoosed here...why does the Shehenshah-e-Hind himself need to go to war to apparently heavily censure and pull up an insignificant principality for harbouring Dacoits?? I mean what has he so many Mansabdars and Wazirs for?

He claims the sole reason is to torment the Ameris so that boti-boti of Begum Jodha can begin. Little knowing he is in reality inviting the worst possible amusement for himself. Just imagine.. joie-de-vivre of being closeted with that set of stiff upperlip-and-the- rest!!!

now for some copy pasting...

What Jalal is attempting here is a political move with far-reaching ramifications for the Mughal empire, and not an attempt to make Hindus kill Hindus on behalf of the Mughals, as the shallow minded Ruqaiya imagines. He is here testing the waters for the experiment he had outlined to his ministers when he was explaining why he was marrying Jodha.

If it fails, and the Ameris were not to be relied upon, not just to fight against other Rajputs, which they did all the time, but to fight against them for the Mughal invaders,Jalal's whole, broad strategy of melding Rajputana and the Rajputs, as equals in respect and prestige but also as loyal upholders of the his regime, with the Mughal empire, will also fail. With that failure, the Mughals will never be able to belong to Hindustan . They will forever remain outsiders, and Akbar's dream for a blended Hindustan will also be stillborn.

Here dear Vanilla you change the looking glass again...

you revert back to History and reason...

and in doing so commit a treason😃

The CVs, guardian angels of this show

Like Alice in wonderland they glow

Off with her head..had cried the Queen

Inspiration! beamed Cvs full of beans

Tweaking a bit the words around

Jalal, Jodha and Us they Hound

4. Jalal's ten day Tafteesh is but a cheeky ploy...of you know what...mind games.

He is waiting for the day when Jodha will be compelled to own up..

"Dus Bahane Kar Ke Le Gaye Dil..."

And what I like is your allusion towards a Patisserie... His threats for Zinda Jalana now I understand are just a ruse for ultimately gifting Jodha the Bakery.

Sweet beginnings and no controversy like the Rasgulla!

As for the Rajya Sabha and Najma Heptulla bit... I'm overwhelmed...

This is an issue that demands immediate address,

the most pressing Crisis facing the nation as we all understand..

The worst Economic melt down in decades, Violence against Women, Border concerns, Militancy, Unemployment, poverty... can wait...till Jalal's ten day Tafteesh begins 😳

Love

Moontide