5th September-Our mean, meaner & meanest Jalal - Page 4

Originally posted by: SonyaBlade

Hi Lashy,

Nice post. As you know...I've never liked Jalal..I think the acting is amazing, but when it comes to the character I'm not a fan...maybe I was put off in the beginning episodes when he was being cruel, I'm not exactly sure, but I definitely have a bias when it comes to Jalal's actions...

With that being said, I have started to see from Shyamala Aunty's perspective the comparison of other Kings, Emperor's, etc...to our dear Jalal.

Are his actions so OTT...as much as I don't like the portrayal of his character, especially in this current track, it is hard for me to say that he is unlike the typical norm of rulers of his time.


What the main issue for me is, the treatment of a wife...

We can only read about history, and in my readings I have not yet come across a ruler who subjected his wife to a trial before his entire court. Could it and did it happen somewhere , somehow...I'm sure it has, but even if it was common in that era for a wife of the Shenshah to be tried before all in the royal court, I don't find this behavior acceptable.

How is it that woman are kept sheltered, have to observe Pardah, where a gungat..etc...etc...but yet in this moment in time, it is okay for him to treat her rudely, speak to her disrespectfully before all and sundry???

When Jodha was caught in the body of water with Rahim, he lectured her about observing the rules and her station as his wife...

So is it appropriate for her to be presented before the court in this manner. I think not?

He did this once with Ruqaiya as well...the old Ruq's whom we all seem to have liked a lot better...but it was she that said to him, when you speak to me in that manner before everyone, you give them an opportunity to speak out against us, against me and i wish next time for you to speak to me privately.

There have been other hints since the beginning of this show, that Jalal is immature...yes he has had his moments of playing the siyasi game adn coming out on top...but this track for all its worth only shows me a young, selfish, crude young man who with all of his teachings from BK, knows nothing of how to deal with a situation when it becomes personal.

And this is the case in life as well...its very easy for one to give advice, lecture and behave properly and even make great and wise decisions when there is no emotional involvement. BUT, the mark of a great person is when something hits close to home, is so emotional where it is overwhelming the senses and even then, can clear the fog adn think in a rational way as to come to the best decision possible.


This is hard for everyone...I guess I just had better expectations from Jalal, whom has been called Akbar the Great...I don't see the greatness in any of his actions up to now...hopefully I will be proven wrong with time.

Sonya

Originally posted by: sashashyam

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">That is just what I cannot digest, Rose. Not just Jodha, but the other 4 as well stand around like dummies.What can an already vengeful Jalal conclude from that but that they do not even have the conviction to protest their innocence?

Why, in Jodha's place, I would have looked Jalal calmly in the eye, and said Well, Shahenshah, I am a daughter of Amer and of Rajputana and I do not fear death, even by burning. It would be no different from our ritual of jauhar.

But I worry about you, Shahenshah. Some day soon you will find out, after you have executed your sentence, that we are all innocent. From that day onwards, you will never be able to sleep in peace.

That would be it, and he would be made to think. But she does no such thing. I think she is expecting Kanha to turn up to save her a la Draupadi. But she forgets that this is the kaliyug!

I think the truth can now emerge only thru some timely eavesdropping. Let us see.

Shyamala Aunty


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I think this idea must be sent to the CVs as it seems they themselves have taken a time out of 10 days to decide how to prove jodha innocent... 😡 untill then jodha won't move her tongue or mind and the CVs will get to show more drama of jalal's cruelties in order to deepen the gorge between JA so that in future episodes they can justify jodha's annoyance.
But as viewers who were expecting the bud of love to blossom between the duo last week, its really a bit painful to watch the hatred.However being ardent viewers, we shall continue to 2 watch d tale.just hope the track culminates soon.
But I m sad d way akbar being picturized, as an emperor...its ironic to see that he is shown to be handling matters of court, life and death with only and only heart...no brain. So haughty and ruthless...its so uneasy. 😲
Just wish they end this track somehow logically.

If we want to compare Jalal to Henry VIII the we can, but seriously Henry was crazy. He was unjust, made himself the head of his own church of england, defied the pope, got his entire country excommunicated, had people burned at the stake, and divorced his first wife, which was against the catholic church, so in the churches mind, his other marriages were never legal...and somehow out of all that he produces Queen Elizabeth, who well was amazing for a woman...if not in all of her practices...

So sure Anne Boleyn was tried...but everyone was seeking her head on a platter from before she even became the Queen...and she never was truly accepted by the public as the Queen of England, so I'm not sure if we can really compare Jodha to Anne...

Originally posted by: SonyaBlade

If we want to compare Jalal to Henry VIII the we can, but seriously Henry was crazy. He was unjust, made himself the head of his own church of england, defied the pope, got his entire country excommunicated, had people burned at the stake, and divorced his first wife, which was against the catholic church, so in the churches mind, his other marriages were never legal...and somehow out of all that he produces Queen Elizabeth, who well was amazing for a woman...if not in all of her practices...

So sure Anne Boleyn was tried...but everyone was seeking her head on a platter from before she even became the Queen...and she never was truly accepted by the public as the Queen of England, so I'm not sure if we can really compare Jodha to Anne...

Originally posted by: SonyaBlade

If we want to compare Jalal to Henry VIII the we can, but seriously Henry was crazy. He was unjust, made himself the head of his own church of england, defied the pope, got his entire country excommunicated, had people burned at the stake, and divorced his first wife, which was against the catholic church, so in the churches mind, his other marriages were never legal...and somehow out of all that he produces Queen Elizabeth, who well was amazing for a woman...if not in all of her practices...

So sure Anne Boleyn was tried...but everyone was seeking her head on a platter from before she even became the Queen...and she never was truly accepted by the public as the Queen of England, so I'm not sure if we can really compare Jodha to Anne...

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

They were kings, they can do whatever they want. Asoka was great too, but is said that he had women burnt for being disobedient.. Then there were fools like Sulieman the magnificent.. He may be magnificent but he did end up killing his own son.. Because of a chaalu woman..

Jehangir and Aurangzeb were butters too. 😆

Yes they were kings, they can do whatever they want...but when it comes to treatment of woman, just because they CAN do anything they want doesn't it make it right does it?

Its like watching a historical drama and saying, turn off your mind, your brain and your intellect and just watch what they did back in the day without analyzing it and debating the issues,

I don't want to watch JA like that...I watch it because I want to see them portray a character who KNOWS he can do anything he wants...but who ultimately treats the woman in his life respectfully and learns when he makes a mistake. I watch because I want to see a strong female character...and I know that some think that Jodha is being ridiculous by staying mute, but right now, with the mood that Jalal is in currently, \i think she also knows that there is no use in saying anything to him because he is going to turn everything she says into something negative. He's out for blood right now, and NOTHING she says could make him start to think. If Ruq's, his Ammi Jaan and others can't make him see ANY reason, then Jodha definitely right now is not in a position to get him to think again about his accusations.

Anyways...I am watching because I hope that the balance between an ABSOLUTE ruler / and a fair and just ruler are defined ...

Originally posted by: sridevi_n

jodha and her brothers can't talk to any one and meet any one so how they will prove themselves innocent. And jallal is not at all trying to know who is involved in this, it seems like he is waiting for the 10 days to complete so that he can take revenge on jodha and her brothers

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

Murdering the unborn child of a king is really a very big thing, he could have ordered them to be killed then and there.. And no one would have questioned him.

So do you agree that the evidence is enough to convict Jodha?

I do believe that the facts are circumstancial evidence - because they rely on an inference...the Kesar was brought from Amer, it was tested before given to Ruq's, the poison that is laced in the Kesar has never been questioned as to how it was possible for it to be mixed with the Kesar...the facts rely on the inference that the people from Amer, brought the poison, and then laced the Kesar just before presenting it to the king nad queen...
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We actually have no direct evidence on where the poison came from and by whom it was brought by?

Then there is further circumstances that add in Jodha's favour...for instance, she has had no contact with her brothers, nor has she sent any written correspondance since she found out about the child...so how then does she become involved in this conspiracy...

Furthermore, the Shenshah was speaking with her before she is to get ready for the Jashan...no other males are allowed to enter the Harem, so when does Jodha find the time to seek out her brothers, get the Kesar adn mix it in with the poison????

These are the questions that Jalal is not asking himself...if he took the time he would be able to find out exactly where and when \jodha went that day. ...

So, in Anne Boleyn's case, or at least from what we know...there was a witness that saw her having an intimate relationship with her own brother, for the purpose of passing off the future conception of a child as the heir to the throne...There was a witness (her sister in law) therefore it is not circunstancial evidence but First hand eye witness testimony that convicted Anne boleyn...

Not the case for Jodha...

no body can respect the murderer of his child... come on sony for him she is merderer of his unborn child... where is respect lies here... he never bound for any thing to jodha. she didn leave any possibility to insult him ... enchanted grehna n all that...but he didnt really do any thing serious...always rspects all the ladies near to him...

Originally posted by: smile.sara

no body can respect the murderer of his child... come on sony for him she is merderer of his unborn child... where is respect lies here... he never bound for any thing to jodha. she didn leave any possibility to insult him ... enchanted grehna n all that...but he didnt really do any thing serious...always rspects all the ladies near to him...

Now for him she is a merderer of his unborn child n you are asking for repect😲

yup I know...shocking for me to ask this of him...😆 But yes...in a nutshell I'm asking for respect, because everyone is innocent until proven guilty ... and as per his own statements, 100 guilty can go unpunished if it means that 1 innocent is not convicted...so even he believes in the fundamental rules of justice even if this is 1500's...he's just lost all sense of reason right now.