Jodha Akbar 36: Shahi Shaadi 2: Imperial flush

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sashashyam

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Posted: 12 years ago

#31

My dear, welcome to the gang! Thank you for liking my posts so much.

Jodha was older than Akbar by 22 days. I know there was some babbling by the Amer lot about her being 17, but the facts are otherwise. Plus, she is not a 21st century teenager like you. She is a 16th century Rajput princess, trained under strict discipline to think of her people first, her family second, and herself last. So there is no point comparing her with yourself at all.

Think of it like this. Your whole kingdom is at stake,and it will be destroyed if you back off from this hateful marriage. Throwing this kind of tantrum can lead to the death of all the people you are taught to care for and protect above all else. I am pretty sure you, would have married Jalal with cold dignity.

As for me, I am now over 60, but even at 20, I would have considered it beneath me to behave with so little dignity, like a fishwife at the market.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: michvarghese
Heyo aunty!!!!!! Btw Im new here and this is probably my first ever post so kudos to me!!! I love reading you posts and this one is no different!!! I agree with almost everything you say except for the way to interpreted Jodhas behaviour!!! See according to one of Rajats interviews hes potraying a 20-21 year old akbar , So that probably makes jodha Like 17 or 18!!! Basically that makes her a teenager!!!! Me being a teenager myself ( yeah im that young) i know that we tend to make horrible decisions when scared or anxious!!!! We start thinking straight and of pros and cons only after we get out of the initial shock and when we accept the circumstances as it is!!!!!!

Jodha here only got hours to take in what was happening to her, that she was suppose to marry a guy who she hated !!!! When she acted the way she did she was merly being a teen that she is!!! She might be a princess but shes a human being first !!! And everything was happening at a fast phase for and the easiest way was to think of a way to get out of the marriage !!! She tried to do just that without thinking of the pros and cons cuz she wasnt given enough time to reflect on her actions!! So i think we are being to harsh on her!!! Shes just a kid now she isnt mature enough to pick herself up as soon as she falls as fast as an adult would have... If it was you and me in her postion i think we wld have done exact same thing!!! I guess it wasnt a smart move but i wont judge her for that...🥱

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sashashyam

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Posted: 12 years ago

#32

Thank you, my dear. And at my age, it perks me up no end to be called a girl again!😉

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: Ashvikfever
The best scenes was the sari burning one and the sharth one. These two scenes stole my heart. The episode was yet again beautiful like yesterday. Loved Akdha interactions. But I found MA really irritating. Her expressions were bugging me alot. Shyamala awesome post. I dream of having such an intelligent brain like urs but that will never happen
I explain the episode so nicely and I can imagine every single scene. Thats a work well done girl! Keep it up

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sashashyam

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Posted: 12 years ago

#33

You are very welcome,my dear.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: sb1410
Thanks so much for your daily post I read this first them I look at the days eposide As I said before I don't speak the language and this post helps alot 😃

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charminggenie

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Posted: 12 years ago

#34

Ah the solace your words provide, I hope you are resting the lovely wrist of yours, as much as we enjoy the splendor of your words we value your health way more, Oh Great bard. Poetry in motion - that should be thy tag line.

Jalal, The Great Emperor of Hindustan- lets take a moment and finally acknowledge this great man who has truly come of age. A Supremo in control of his actions, thoughts and power. It is fascinating to watch the making of one of the greatest Emperors of India. RT is the Jalal there are no two ways about it. Such a fabulous character to play in a women-centric medium.

Jalal as an Emperor is cool, collective and wise beyond his years. He understand the pulse and the mind of his enemy so well, like a predator he assesses his prey , moves his pieces with shrewdness of the Grandmaster and of-course has the gumption of a political maverick. More than anything Jalal personified an Emperor who was not handicapped by his courtiers rather there stood a visionary who just wasn't satisfied by capturing the land , this shahenshah wanted to rule his Hindustan and its people. Jodha never stood a chance as before her stood not a possessed lover but an Emperor for whom Jodha was the collateral in the grand schemes of Hindustan.

When he received the burn Shaadi ka Joda, a part of him was enraged at the defiance of a mere girl,but good sense prevailed he didnt get swayed by his badi Aami, rather he coolly silenced the triology by stating that Rajputs are the men of their words hence they are in the typical in Catch-22. Marriage is the only solution and how his politeness and grace would ruin every chance of theirs for entering the list of worshiped Martyrs. Good move!

His greeting to Bhagwan Das and agreeing to meet Jodha was an act of utter amusement, he wanted to see a compromised Jodha . And then the two conditions, the way his eyes feasted on Jodha before the little minx tried to wriggle her way out of the matrimony using her religion as the shield. He stood up , marked his enemy , understood the game , smirked at Jodha's last ditch attempt at survival, coolly agreed to the two conditions winning him the confidence and respect of the Amer Palace as well as sending a signal to Jodha that no matter what he will own her.

He has finally stepped away from the shadows of Maham Angha, no more a child who relied on the whispering of the words of his Dayee Ma rather an Emperor who dismisses her by stating that he is the Shahenshah and whatever he says becomes the law yet indulging her enough to explain his actions. I feel he has a slight inkling of all the deeds done by Maham Angha, he just chooses to ignore it for now.But he is asserting himself more and more now.He has blossomed into his own beautifully without the looming shadow of Bharam Khan. It was defining strategy of respecting the Hindu culture which helped him consolidate his empire like never before. He understood Mughals need to stop being the foreigners and to acclimatize as locals they need to make good relations with the Rajputs and Amer in particular.

Maham Angha- I have started detesting her, don't know why but her persona is being cartoonish now.That Ektaish background and evil smile is so not becoming of those times. She is channeling all her frustrations on Jodha when slowly and surely Jalal is stepping away from the circle of her influence.

Jodha- She did exactly what I assumed. She is enraged by her hatred and fear to actually think straight. She has undergone many shocks in this small period- be-heading of her fiance , capturing of her brothers and now suddenly she has been chosen to share the bed with a man who has taken everything away from her. Of-course she is a Rajptani and hence she would rather die than compromise, this is why she is not exactly understanding why they must go for an alliance when they can reach the heavens by sacrificing themselves. She belongs to a time when these Afghan/Persian/mughals plundered and wrecked havoc on humanity so her fear and her utter detest for anything Mughal is understandable and justified. She has lived under the impression that Jalal is a heartless tyrant and even her own mother spoke about jawhar and gave poison to safeguard her honor.Right now she is shocked beyond her wits , betrayed by her family and perhaps she is the only one who knows what kind of fate awaits her in Agra.Her stand against mughals is exactly what Maharana Pratap had, Mughals can never be trusted.Like a true fighter she wanted to take a lone shot at her independence before she makes the deal with the devil. I would have been shocked if she would have willed herself easily for this marriage. What we forget is that she will be the first Hindu Princess to be married into the Mughal household, a culture unknown , people loathed she is the guinea pig for this cultural experiment of Jalal. For her two conditions were exactly what she thought a person like Jalal would object to, she believes him to be a fanatic villain yet she was taken aback by the masterstroke of the Mughal Ruler. Her burning of the shaadi ka joda signifies the relationship that is going to be between Jalal and her. She would fulfill the begum duties while getting her soul burnt.This is why I feel a more open conversation by her family with her on this issue , then she would have then atleast made an attempt to understand the situation and will herself for this fate. Her real character would actually come in the spotlight when she steps in the Agra fort.

No doubt the start of the show was Jalal and I am glad the makers have not made a caricature of his role. He is evolving without Jodha, becoming an Emperor he was meant to be. His forthright in respecting and understanding different culture would in a way carve the path for modern India.

Once again I remain enchanted by your words, Thank You for giving us an opportunity to read you.

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michvarghese

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Posted: 12 years ago

#35

HAHAHAHAH I had no idea she was older!!!! So weird 😆 Prbly makes sense now 😃

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Alakh

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Posted: 12 years ago

#36

Originally posted by: michvarghese
HAHAHAHAH I had no idea she was older!!!! So weird 😆 Prbly makes sense now 😃

But in the show she just celebrated her 17th b'day.😆

Plus, if she behaves like a child, how will she change Jalal? He is much wiser.😉

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sun29

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Posted: 12 years ago

#37

dear Shyamala please do take rest...hope you get well soon...and thanks for the compliment...she is the only one with eyes and ears around ..rest the entire Harem is a lost cause😆

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sashashyam

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Posted: 12 years ago

#38

Sonya dear,

Please do. I have just the one son and no daughter, so bright young nieces are more than welcome.

Would that Jodha had a fraction of your good sense! Or if her dadisa had been around at this crucial moment!

The thing is, my dear, that there are only 2 ways of analysing any tale or serial. One is to take the characters as living individuals, which is what we do most of the time,or as puppets of the CVs. We cannot mix both in a single analysis. So let us take Jodha as a real person, and then you will agree that she let us down.

I was hoping so much that she would be coldly dignified enough to freeze Mahaam Anga in her tracks, but no. I thought that if she burnt the joda, it would have been in response to that harsh letter from Jalal mentioned in some promos. But no again. She did it on her own, with no immediate provocation that I could see.

Coming to the shart scene, she is asked by Jalal what she wants to say, and when she mentions the 2 sharts, Jalal just waits, so she goes on. She has already nerved herself a lot for this encounter, and if she had stopped then, she probably would not have been able to proceed.

She does not get up when Jalal does, and that is deliberate, true.

Finally, as for the tears, Jalal has X-Ray eyes! Jokes apart, the pardas are sheer, and he comes right up to it on his side and looks at her like a hawk. He would have been able to spot the altered body language, if not the tears themselves.

Of course Jalal is all that you say he is, but then so was Rhett Butler in Gone with the Wind. I would, if I had been Jodha's age, have any day preferred to try my hand at taming a Rhett or a Jalal than settling down with a milktoast windbag like Suryabhan,who is defeated fair and square by Sujamal in the battefield, and this chap boasts of getting Jalal ka sar?

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: SonyaBlade
Oh Shyamala Aunty (oh and by the way I'm now calling you Aunty because I feel like our relationship is not one of "Ji" anymore...)

I am so devastatingly disappointed in your post today. It is not a criticism of what you have wrote but rather, as another feminist to feminist...are true disappointment in what I know to be reality and that which I am trying to make excuses for in my mind.

I feel much like Jodha right now...where I know the big picture and who is truly in control and yet I am trying to come up with some way in which to save Jodha's character and the writers of the character have SORELY DISAPPOINTED ME...

Now, although it is true that Jalal won, in regards to him agreeing to her conditions and now giving her no honorable way in which to back out...Jodha has unknowingly written a new path in the course of history, so you have to give her that...AND that is why after much deliberation I have given the "Sharta " round a win for BOTH JODHA AND JALAL...why you ask...

And yes...this is my way of salvaging Jodha for me after this episode...

1) Jalal wins for the obvious reason adn exactly how you have written it in your analysis...BUT

2) jodha wins, because her family honor has definitely been raised in her asking for and being granted the conditions. I do NOT agree with Jalal that she was asking for "bheek" and he gave it to her...no no no,..quite the opposite Jalal. She didn't even allow him time for him to allow her permission to continue...in fact I thought it was quite note worthy that when she asked her conditions...she just went right into it..no pause, no hesitation. A true mark of a Princess, when she is agonizing in personal emotional pain at this time.

3) Did you see how Jodha did not rise after Jalal's initial shock/anger at her two sharta...also another reminder that when Jalal says Jump, Jodha is not going to ask "how high?"

4) And she has changed how the Mughal Palace will run in regards to accepting different faiths. This is ground breaking. Even if her asking the Sharta was selfish she has just done something that no one has done before...can't wait for a prayer scene to unfold and Jalal coming into her Mandir...should be interesting.

when it came to burning the Shaadi Lengha...well . I think that scene was just ridiculous. Her actions in my opinion was okay but it was just over dramatic...all she had to do was take it, and then wear something else in my opinion. Or send it back to Jalal with a note or something...but OTT...that scene was definitely one of them. Jalal has no idea, nor does anyone else on why she is burning it, so nothing was really accomplished and instead her father has to apologize for her childish behavior. |STUPID writers...What are they doing to our Jodha?????

As for the tear ... again Aunty, isn't a bit ridiculous that Jalal can somehow see her anguish and read her mind through a Parda and her dupatta...Wow...he has a 6th sense doesn't he???

As for Jodha being shown somewhat weak in this episode...yup ...

But seriously...Jalal is such an egotistical, arrogant, ahhh I can't go on.

Time to make dinner and pick up my daughter from daycare...Can't wait for tomorrow's episode.

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pallavi003

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Posted: 12 years ago

#39

Aunty it is a awesome post as always a treat for eyes..I agree yesterday it was Jalal who outwitted Jodha in the shart scene and even at a young age he is a politics savvy..He holds an unmatched farsightedness than anyone around him.. And as far as Jodha's age is concerned well she is no more a teenager now..folks time is tide but in serial years are minutes..😆..and many years have passed in this serial when only 2 months here .. so burning the Joda like a pampered teenage girl is not considerable although I was surprised by the scene when Bhagwan das came to meet Jalal in his tent and a guard did a search on him and Jalal allowed that saying that it was a matter of his safety though he came all alone..it says a hidden animosity still exists in spite of the alliance from the mughal's side..

And the next scene that was a treat when MA seemed helpless in fury and surprised as her eyes widened as Jalal agreed to meet Jodha right then and it seemed she had lost the chance to coax him against her out of bound demands..😉

Edited by PallaviDas003 - 12 years ago

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sashashyam

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Posted: 12 years ago

#40

Pallavi,

I am so glad that you really liked this post,for I was so irritated with Jodha that many would have thought, and some did say, that I was too harsh on her. But my disappointment was in proportion to my expectations of her after the day before.

As for the body search, that is deliberate, as a sort of payoff for Jodha having burnt the shaadi ka joda and thus gravely insulted Jalal. Bhagwan Das understands that very well. If Jalal had not specifically given instructions for it, it would never have happened. Everything will revert to normal after the shaadi is smoothly (!?!) over.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: PallaviDas003
Aunty it is a awesome post as always a treat for eyes..I agree yesterday it was Jalal who outwitted Jodha in the shart scene and even at a young age he is a politics savvy..He holds an unmatched farsightedness than anyone around him.. And as far as Jodha's age is concerned well she is no more a teenager now..folks time is tide but in serial years are minutes..😆..and many years have passed in this serial when only 2 months here .. so burning the Joda like a pampered teenage girl is not considerable although I was surprised by the scene when Bhagwan das came to meet Jalal in his tent and a guard did a search on him and Jalal allowed that saying that it was a matter of his safety though he came all alone..it says a hidden animosity still exists in spite of the alliance from the mughal's side..

And the next scene that was a treat when MA seemed helpless in fury and surprised as her eyes widened as Jalal agreed to meet Jodha right then and it seemed she had lost the chance to coax him against her out of bound demands..😉

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