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Posted: 12 years ago
#31
My dear, you are so good for my morale!

No, I do not think Jodha will grow away from Sujamal because he joins the enemy to regain what is his birthright. Instead, she will begin to understand the complexities and the tragedies of life; that everything is not, as she seems to have been assuming till now, black and white, but rather assorted shades of grey. She will grieve for him as she does for Suryabhan, for if the one dies, presumably in battle, the other has been banished from his hearth and home for life, which is a worse fate.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: apolloartemis

Wonderful as always Aunty!
And yes, spot on with Ruq- already I can feel my sympathy leeching away. As you said, behind this new Ruq's porcelain (and very pretty) face lies little of the vulnerability and I would dare say, dignity of the old ruq. I already know who I shall be cheering for in the Ruq-Jodha encounters, whereas earlier, I might have hesitated a little before cheering Jodha on!
And you comments on Jodha are right- she will grow up as these difficulties come to pass. Already I can see her bond with Sujamaal fading as he sides with the Mughals against Amer. When Suryabhan dies/is injured badly (as shown in the promos) how sympathetic will she be? How much will her heart bleed for Sujamal as she is trussed up as a offering to a man she loathes with all her heart? We can already see a new, stronger Jodha emerging, and I look forward to her confrontations with the Mughal court.
Liked her scene with Ruq today. Jodha's quiet smile, her confidence, and her sassy answers- all while her brothers stood mute! Very nice to see!

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Posted: 12 years ago
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My dear (what is your name, if you do not mind?)

That is one of the best compliments I have ever received. It is also a good thing, seeing your pleasure in reading this 3+ pager, that even in my advanced years at 60+😉, I still have the energy, despite a wonky left wrist that protests loudly when overused, to finish an analysis at 3 am!

I agree with all your comments, and except that I do not quite feel that the new Ruqaiya is, as seems to be the consensus here, the better actress of the two. The earlier one had a mischievous self-assurance, most in evidence when she manages to hold Jalal's gaze during his entry into Agra, that is lacking now. Nor is there any of the playfulness Smilie brought to the character, as in the chadar-jooties scene. This one looks uni-expressional. like a haute couture model for Dior. Just wait and see, and you will soon agree with me. It is true that she looks much more the Malika than Smilie did, but then Smilie's Ruqaiya was interesting precisely because of her frailties. I wonder why they changed her. It is not good for a show to change a major character so soon. I hope they do not change Jodha one of these days, just as I am trying to get used to her!😉

As for the reason for Bairam Khan's about turn, it is best explained in charminggenie's comment above. I think he comes to the sudden realisation that the consequences of his unbridled ego, and the resulting breaking of his relationship with Jalal, were damaging the one thing that he was totally devoted to, the Mughal sultanat. These things come to one suddenly, which is what is called an epiphany. They way they handled this was far better than showing a battle (with all the added expense!😉) and Bairam Khan being brought before the emperor in chains. They handled the emotional graph of that last scene to perfection.

It was also closer to the actual historical events, though Bairam Khan did rebel, once he was some distance from Agra, was defeated, not by Jalal personally but by the Mughal army. brought to Agra, pardoned again, and sent off to Mecca..

Finally, I was very pleased that you got the Saridon crack. She looks just like that all the time, her eyes slanting down at the corners as if in great pain. Did you notice that Jalal rebuffs her attempts to console him after his Khan Baba leaves?

It is interesting that by far the best dressed character here is Jalal, not one of the ladies. And Bairam Khan has been stuck with that one black dress for 10 days,and Hamida Banu has just that one gauzy green one.

Shyamala B.Cowsik


Originally posted by: gurl-enchanted

It is a really good thing I absolutely love reading . Otherwise reading this detailed analysis at 3:30 am would be next to impossible and I would miss out on some really good reads like yours, Mrs. Cowsik 😊


I love the way you get so in depth with the characters in the story. Finding nuances in the story and the character that I'm not very sure Ekta's creatives notice, going by the blunders they make at times. I'm glad about the happy coincidence that their stories, at first atleast, turn out to be really good stuff before going haywire towards the end (which is usually the middle of the series, but they milk the cow as much as possible).

Like you, I'm quite enchanted with Ruqaiya's character as well. I agree with the different portrayals shown by Smiley and Lavina that you have pointed out. I noticed just the same. Smiley (IMO) is an incompetent actor, but her portrayal of Ruqaiya was way more likeable than what Lavina's has been. Given more expressions on her face, I would have preferred her anyday. Lavina is by far the better actor, however, the shades of grey have only deepened with her and its been such a sudden change that it is noticeable to everyone who watches and likes her character! It is so obviously going towards an outright negative portrayal of Ruqaiya that truly I'm very disappointed. I want the character to be, as you said, vulnerable and yet strong. I'm sure Lavina can carry that off as well, as her acting skills are far superior than Smiley's. I have no idea if its the creatives who have asked her to be the vamp in the making. Sooo Ekta-ish.

Yes, the confrontation between BK and Jalal were truly endearing and heartwarming. But the question of the day should be - How did he suddenly capitulate when he was hollering about being a proud Baagi few episodes before? 😕 There was no remorse on his face or any realization. Just arrogance. Did Ekta cut off some scenes to make the wedding happen faster? Or was there some cue I missed which justified him standing there to be beheaded as he finally realizes his mistakes?

The AkDha scene really made me wanna smack my forehead. How can Jalal hear her payal when she is farther from him than when she is few steps away circling around the very same tree? With skills like those, one wonders how he hasn't been assassinated yet... They could atleast have shown Jalal seeing Jodha. What was the harm in that? Just another insight into her character. Maybe a mockery of a smile on his face regarding her valiant attempts would have been better viewing for the long suffering viewer.

Truly, I wondered the same thing. Did Sujamal know she was going to be there by the riverside? Does she go there every Bhaidooj? Maybe that's the reason she was waiting for him thinking he would definitely come. Also, how was it safe for the Rajputs to venture directly into Mughal territory with such few guards? And actually draw attention to oneself? 😕

Jodha was most elegant while dealing with Ruqaiya. She was such a little paragon of virtue, but surprisingly a dignified one. Or maybe Ruqaiya has become too vampish NOT to make the main lead's niceness stand out. TYPICAL.

Seriously, what is WRONG with Jalal's Mom? It's like she is a sheltered little girl who doesn't know the ways of the world! First she says its necessary for love to be there while having sex for a woman to conceive. And now she says Jalal should just let BK walk all over him cuz he is like his Walid. I mean, who GIVES that advice to a King? I won't give it to my little son! (if I had one!) She should have suggested something more meaningful, more becoming of the stature she has in the Mughal household, rather than acting like a sheltered school girl in the robes of a Queen.

Btw, Saridon comment was BANG ON! 😆

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Posted: 12 years ago
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My dear Sara,

Thank you so much, my dear!

As for the Jaziya, I suppose it was also a financial support system for the Mughal empire, for apart from land tax, there were no other taxes at that time, no income tax and no sales tax/VAT, which is the biggest source of govt. revenues. That is why, when it was abolished, Akbar's Finance Minister, the Hindu Todar Mal, is worried about the loss to the exchequer!

As for the Haj tax not being levied, as stated by Ruqaiya, I think she means that the Haj pilgrims are not made to pay it when they go out of the Mughal borders to go to Mecca Sharif. I found your comment about the present arrangement of a special Haj visa very interesting. The Saudi govt would want to ensure security thru haj visa control, and also finance the costs of organising the Haj thru the tax.

But in India, 30 million pilgrims come to the Kumbh melas in Allahabad for weeks, and the arrangements for everything - the tents, the sanitation, the security and the medical care - are so excellently made by the Allahabad district administration, that this was a case study for the Harvard Business School, who sent an academic team to research it. And this is done by the local authorities absolutely free of cost!!

As for your last para, it is spot on, and such discrimination - racial, caste-based, against those of another faith - is endemic all over the world in all times. But I am also sure Jodha would have defied her father in any such case. She is like that all the time, and would have made a true blue Gandhian if she had been born 400 years later.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: smile.sara

0h my Dear Aunty Ji!!

I am thinking to write some thing on today epi ...but with kids didn't find time and most all I don't have fine words like you...every thing you were saying, continuously roaming in my mind since I watched epi...
Specially Hamida bano Begumm..she was such an irritating today.. some one said today that Jalal listened to her mother instead of MA n RB Butno it was BK humility due to which Jalal forgave him.., if still remain arraogant really what his mother anted from not only his son but from true waris and shahnshah of saltanat. they showed Ruqayya motive selfish. I didn't find it selfish... for pitty sake this was the reality of power play and politics.
other point is about all of sudden promotion from baigum sahiba to malika e hind. the show plot is is become very diff that from start... now Mughal rules are cruel but not barbaric.for e.g in start Mughal soldiers just saw tempel and chal pade loot machine here they were collecting tax,... and all amir raj rujkuar and rajkumari roaming freely in Mughal area doing shopping. no khauf k Mughal saina may be attack.
first when jodha bibi started arguing with Mughal fierce soldiers .. I was like is k bhaiyon ka ky kaam hae bhai .. n this bhagwan daas... bharmal ji should seriously consider to make his heir jodha istead of this pyara bhola bacha... not only big brothers was there but also future raja of her state...
Ruqayya begum ya her script writer surely don't know any thing where Hajj perform and who is eligible to take Hajj tax.. surely Hajj doesn't perform in india, how should they know who is going out from country is going for Hajj spec at tht time ... this tax is takn by the govt of saudia/Arab... not from hisdustan like Mathura is in hisdustan I am not justifying this tax and every 1 knows it ll be take back by Akabr later ofcourse in influence of jodha kiun k us ki apni tau koi soch hae hi nhi phir hoga RB ka dhan dhan... khair I was saying that even today like I have US passport and I can have my saudia visa at airport but not for Hajj... hajj visa is totally different whose payment all go in the pocket of Saudia govt,... at that I think it was ottoman empire who was the protector of haram shareef I don't know exactly... but poin is k there is no need, RB to say this fisadi sentence k "wo hamare mazhab k hae is lye unk choot hae". chichi
I know this is fictional show and also a disclaimer bhaii sahib is also here BUT any one really think k fictional liberty can give them liberty to portray a very respectful woman of her time evil ... we r not fool so we r surely not on roads but pls don't spoil original historical character so they will turn 100 perc evil and... hey r showing a fictional character surya bhan angel and real historical respectful character of a Mughal empress evill. pls CV n PH do what you want with fictional character but not with the real historical charcters..

Last but not last that Mahan speech of Jodha on Equality humaneness ... it was superb ...
I hope k yah equality of humanity ka lecture jodha kisi unchi zaat wale ko bharhaman ya khashtri ko bhi dae jab wo ksisi achoot/shudr ko zalil kar raha ho...

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Thank you, my dear Sonya.

I think Rajat looked a little flat in that segment partly because of the metal helmet; it made the face unbalanced in the very tight close ups. I really wonder at the ability of these actors to stare into the eyes of another from 6 inches away and still hold the appropriate expression; I would get cross-eyed!😉

But I noted the sadness in his eyes when Bairam Khan leaves, in yesterday's opening segment; it was a melting look that was very well done, like a little boy losing something very precious for him, but stopping just short of tears. He weeps openly later, and Bairam Khan wipes his tears in a very touching moment, but it was the earlier look that made one's heart turn over in empathy.

The director did an excellent job in those two Jalal-Khan Baba segments on the last two days. Plus Naved Aslam gets the guttural kh sound just right, as in khwahish.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: SonyaBlade

Excellent analysis and excellent episode today. Bairam Khan and Jalal definitely had the best scene that we have seen. \

I do have to critic jalal's acting a bit though - during the BK scene his facial expressions sometimes make me want to laugh and I find took away emotionally a little bit from the scene, but because it was just a quick glimpse at Jalal, I was able to get over it soon enough. The facial expressions - I'm not sure what he can do to make them more natural, but that's just it...they seem to be forced as opposed to just coming naturally at times...a well - we can't have everything.

As to your question of the day - I have learned long ago, from the time my mom made me watch hindi drama's with her when I was 10 years old, that the laws of physics, time, principles of science and mathematics do not apply in the world of a Hindi Drama. Heros' can defy gravity, heroines can stall time and everyone has the power to time travel as they see fit.

lol...obviously I'm joking, but it is true in some cases... not only Hindi drama;'s but in hollywood films as well. I just saw the newest Star Trek and the storyline made no sense...Ahhh the creative liberties that are taken...but I digress...

that's all for now.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam



But in India, 30 million pilgrims come to the Kumbh melas in Allahabad for weeks, and the arrangements for everything - the tents, the sanitation, the security and the medical care - are so excellently made by the Allahabad district administration, that this was a case study for the Harvard Business School, who sent an academic team to research it. And this is done by the local authorities absolutely free of cost!!


Shyamala Aunty




AND that is why India is the largest democracy in the world. To be able to organize such large scale operations for the populace is truly admirable. I believe the population of Canada is just over 34 million. WOW...
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Yes, Sonya, when we set our hearts to it, we do things very well indeed.

The thing about the Kumbh mela is that the arrangements are completely done by the state govt, there is no private agency involved at all, except for the software for all the monitoring systems. So even the govt., which is routinely criticised by all of us for being an inefficient slowpoke, functions very effectively when it wants to.

Many of the young govt.officers are very good at adapting modern technology, especially IT, and modern management techniques to their work. The system of locating lost kids and people at the Kumbh mela and reuniting them with their families, for example, is very, very effective these days. So Bollywood film makers can no longer use the 'lost at the Kumbh mela' track for their lost and found tales!😉

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: SonyaBlade


AND that is why India is the largest democracy in the world. To be able to organize such large scale operations for the populace is truly admirable. I believe the population of Canada is just over 34 million. WOW...


Originally posted by: sashashyam



But in India, 30 million pilgrims come to the Kumbh melas in Allahabad for weeks, and the arrangements for everything - the tents, the sanitation, the security and the medical care - are so excellently made by the Allahabad district administration, that this was a case study for the Harvard Business School, who sent an academic team to research it. And this is done by the local authorities absolutely free of cost!!

Shyamala Aunty





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You know, my dear, each time I write a post, I look for you the next day, and am very pleased when you turn up!😉 Thanks ever so much of praising my latest so abundantly and extravagantly, to paraphrase Pandit Nehru.

Originally posted by: charminggenie

Well, a massive gigantic hug from me, this is beyond perfection, the way you have captured every emotion,act and the events is simply brilliant. Reading you is probably like watching a Picasso both work of admiration yet they engross you so much that one is left with deep sense of understanding and warmth . Forever in awe of you!


Jalal and Bharam Khan- By far the most beautiful scene ever captured in this show and dare i say, it will be really difficult to top this. An Emperor roaring his horse to Yalgar ho , as he braces to fight the rogue who till now was a father-figure to him. Jalal was marching toward the most difficult battle of his entire life.

But what a sight to greet him, Bharam khan with his hands outstretched and head bowed, standing a foot outside the Mughalai Mahal was a testimony to the man. There was this ruthless General without his armor, coming to terms with his own reality. BK was always loyal to the throne, he considered himself the sacred soldier and this is why he was blinded by the powers bestowed on him . He considered himself the only savior of Mughal Empire, he just couldn't trust anyone else to run the kingdom. Somewhere in this , he lost his sight from Jalal , he couldnt identify the ruler he has become. He couldnt grasp how the boy, he has been grooming to be the Talisman of this empire has come of age. But now he has realized that by revolting againt Jalal he was challenging the throne, this I guess didn't sit well with his own morals and life's principle, hence the man with his head in a bow.

This is the single clearest and most convincing explanation I could think of for Bairam Khan's volte face, which many here, who have not thought it thru as well as you have, found unconvincing. These realisations, that turn one's life upside down like the new pattern in a kaleidoscope that has been shaken, come to one out of the blue. That is what is called an epiphany.

You have got it perfectly, and I would, if I may, suggest that you post this part in the thread wondering about why Bairam Khan acted as he did. It would be very useful for the readers there. I have referred to your explanation in some of my responses here, but that thread is only for this topic, and it is needed there.


With this simple action he re-gained his position in Jalal's life, the way Jalal dropped his sword and went on his knees and hugged his Khan Baba , one could sense a relieved son. He won't have to live with the guilt. he was out of the dilemma of being an Emperor or a son.

This is exactly what I had felt too, which is why I wrote that this was his Khan Baba's last and priceless gift to Jalal.


His love, kindness and respect shows that Jalal was born to be an Akbar, maybe for our imaginations he needed a Jodha to discover that, but he always had an heart. Without a wiff of arrogance , he enveloped his Khan Baba, this shows the greatness of this ruler. BK can never accept or work again for Jalal , he is a man of integrity , so his Mecca journey is the only conclusion. His subsequent death won't be a hard blow to Jalal now, he has made him peace with his baba.

A king is born to win battles, this was his "Rajdharam", so Like Ahsoka, Maurya etc , Jalal had to resort to wars, battles, killing before he reached his Kalinga which I think was more of his acceptance to various religions and a fairly tolerant outlook to life. It was his rule which made Mughals from visitors to natives. A very intriguing personality this Jalal is, i cannot wait to see his other facets.

Spot on, except that I would say plunderers and looters rather than just visitors. If you think of the ravages inflicted on the whole of North India by the Ghaznis and the Ghoris, you would be sick to the pit of your stomach. Babur was the first such conqueror to stay, but you are right, the Mughals began to see themselves as belonging to Hindustan only with Akbar. and this lasted till Aurangzeb. It is one of the saddest questions about medieval Indian history: What if Dara Shikoh, the Sufi, had succeeded Shahjehan, and not the bigoted Aurangzeb?


Jalal and the three wise women- What an unsavory position to be for any man. Maha Angha was edgy and too eager for Jalal to use his sword on BK, but Hamida Begum broke the scene with her Nirupama Roy monologue and reminding about BK's sacrifices, failing to sound like an Empress of India, how can she not perceive that BK is revolting against her son , a treason to the throne. She , like the history suggests, was very naive and too detached from the realities of political maneuvers. Jalal's voicing the importance of the three women in his life, made me wonder when did Ami jaan became this close to her son, quite a departure from their 1st meeting.

I too felt the sudden shift in Jalal, which began in the prison scene with that Farida, and now his statement about having always listened to his Ammijan(but of course not agreed with her!) very odd. At the first meeting between them in his camp, he was cold enough to freeze an icicle, and the bitterness in his voice seared the screen. But even now, he rebuffs her attempts to console him at Bairam Khan's departure, and he does not even ask her opinion about the proposal for his sister's remarriage.

And no wonder, the woman would put anyone off. I am convinced Humayun slipped to his death on those library stairs only because he was running away from yet another of her homilies, delivered with that Saridon face!😉😉


Ruqaiya Regum proved again, why she is equal to Jalal, she placated both the elder ladies, but tilted the axis in her favour. Her alliance with MA is going to shape up when Jodha steps in the harem. a word on the new RB, I liked the vulnerability and softness Smiley brought but I know this new girl is really talented , I think if they don' henpeck her as a future vamp , she would do good.

I am not sure of this. She looks like an haute couture model for Dior, expressionless and beautiful in a plastic fashion. As I wrote in one of my responses above, she has none of the mischievous self-assurance (holding Jalal's gaze when he enters Agra), or the easy possessiveness of the earlier Ruqaiya (the chadar-jooties scene), nor her obvious frailties. It is not a good thing to change a major character so early in the show. I think it was because they want to shift the axis of the character, and prevent her from becoming too appealing to the viewers.

Jodha- I second whatever you wrote, there is nothing I can add to that, just that I am very amused that how in her own kingdom Jodha practiced purdah and travelled in palki, while here in Mughal neighborhood she is prancing without a care of the world announcing her Rajputa and verbally quarreling with Mallika-E-hind. I like the calmness and grace she has but I hope she doesnt turn into the typical Ekta's woman, savior with all the righteousness of the world.

I rest with the memories of the epic scene between Jalal and BK that for me overshadowed everything, Brilliantly enacted by both actors.

Two your queries - it's Ekta's world, here everything is possible as long s logic stays put.

Much love and thank you for your reply to my previous post, will it be embarrassing if i mention how many times I read it, meant a lot!

Why should it be embarrassing? I re-re-read yours too!

Shyamala

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Riyya my dear, you are priceless! I laughed and laughed at your Jalal ka head dialogue crack and the SMS one too.

As for the rest, please see my answers/comments below.

Originally posted by: riyya6

10q aunthy... 👏

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Dear Ameilia,

I am in the happy position of agreeing with all that you say here, so I need add nothing. Nothing except my thanks for such warm comments on this post and to share my rather gloomy belief that the old Ruqaiya is gone for good. The CVs inadvertently made her too interesting and complex, and they are now correcting their mistake!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: ameilia

Shyamala Aunty once again you have done a brilliant job.You are very articulate with your feeling about this serial.

I must say that this Ruquaiya has already made me hate her.She is definitely Ekta's new Vamp.I loved Smiley because she portrayed a woman who was confident yet had insecurities. Rajat and Smiley shared a wonderful screenspace. Lavina's portrayal just looked brutal and evil.I mean is this the same character that shed tears because she loved Jalal but he didnt love her back?The character traits seemed to change from downright hoity-toity to plain heartless.I mean Ruqaiya has grey shades just wished they had tried to explore some of them before going all 'I am going to kill that woman who dared to interfere in my hunting.'If she flares up just for a petty thing like that then how come she shares Jalal with other women and never seemed complained since they are so close?Writers need to be careful and the directors need to know how to direct Lavina to toned down a bit.This sudden change with the character doesnt fit in well.🤔
As you said Jalal already has a heart but i do think that Jodha is the one who is going to unearth this lost treasure.Jalal shows loyalty to his people unlike Sujamal. Everyone around Jalal has their own motives for keeping him in control.Jalal shows his gratitude to the people who was there to him.He is faithful as a Emperor but as a husband well i didnt live in the 16th century so i cant say i am ok with polygamy.Looks like Bk's track is going to end.I have a question though BK was shown in the promos with Jalal when he attacked Amer so wont he be going?Maybe this is what they want to show anyone who betrays Jalal doesnt live even though they might be his closest of what he has for a family.
As for Jodha i do think she needs to be careful on who she trusts.Her blinded trust for others especially those who sees this and use this at their advantage can really mess up her life.For Jodha to understand Jalal she needs to live with him,breathe the same air as him,be in the same environment as him and interact with the people that surrounds him.Only then will she be able to take a sneak peak of what its like to be an Emperor.But with wealth comes greed and with power comes people thirsting to hold position and authority.When someone is in a situation like that they cant trust anyone as even the family can be after his empire.Jodha in order to change and be an influence to Jalal needs to change herself too.She needs to know the world is not all beautiful with chasing bunnies and kissing birds.She needs to know about the cruel parts too.The parts that she barely gets an insight of and it riles her up.For a change someone needs to change.For Jodha to change Jalal and herself she needs to adapt and learn her to survive.

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Rimi my dear, thanks a ton. I am continually surprised at you young people not only having the patience to wade thru the 3 3/4 pages of my post, and then actually like it, and am truly grateful to you for that!

As for the rest, I see that we are all in gloomy agreement re: the change of Ruqaiya, but what can't be cured must be endured. I hope they are not planning any more changes; it is not good so early on.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: rimi10

Awesome is the word for your detailed analysis!!! Wish I could pen down my thoughts so well.

BK -Jalal's scene was the best off course and was the high point of yesterday's episode. Rajat is almost there to become the perfect AKbar on screen. On the other hand I am still not able to digest the new Ruquiya. Smiley may not be perfect in her looks and acting skills but her potrayal of Mallika-e-hind was much more justified. And here comes the new vampish Ruquiya all of a sudden. Time and again Ekta has proved that she is better in finding the vamp ladies in her shows than the lead heroines. Loved your chartered accountant wala comment, however whiIe watch these daily soaps, I generally throw out my logical reasoning power out of the window, especially Balaji shows😆
Again, just as Smiley, the actress playing Jodha may not have those looks and nuances of a typical princess but she is slowly getting there. She did manage to stand out at last in the Jodha-Ruquiya confrontation👍🏼.

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Jodha recreated - A beautiful nostalgia 😍

Hello People.....Our Pari just posted her recreated Jodha look for a paid partnership promotion ... absolutely loved it ... she still captures...

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