Jodha Akbar 21: The Law of Gravity prevails - Page 2

Thank you, Khush, and no, I was not talking of no love in arranged marriages before the marriage alone, but after it as well., As in most royal marriages of that period as well. The marriages succeeded on the basis of mutual respect, caring, loyalty and a dedication to a common goal, that of raising a good family.

In short, as a pithy comment has it, a mutual alliance against the hazards of life. Not romantic love that is a desperate craving of one for the other, that is never satiated, and never fades.

How many people in real life experience true romantic love, do you think? The percentage would be in the single digits. As for love marriages which fail, ending in divorce and remarriage - which was once called a triumph of hope over expectation!😉 - that was obviously not real romantic love either. Nonetheless, the vast majority of the non-romantic couples have children in their marriages., So what Hamida Begum is saying is nonsense, and her own example and those of many of her contemporaries, should have told her that.

And take Jodha, She would have married any prince her family chose for her, and the idea of love would never have entered her mind, That was clear from what she tells her sisters before the Gangaur festival. Her mother was married on the same basis. It is not at all necessary for them to 'fall in love' or even to develop affection for their spouses, some of whom were horrors. Still they raised families, did they not?

So for anyone of that period to pontificate about mohabbat is bizarre and completely out of character.

It is like the behaviour of Suryabhan's family with Jodha - the transposition of a 21st century mindset into the mid-16th century. It is there only because it is the central theme of Ekta's serial, the haiwaan se insaan line. I never bought into that, for it badly distorted Akbar, and I do not buy into these homilies either.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: -Khush-

Another good review Shyamala aunty !

But I was not too shocked the reasoning Hamida gave on mohabbat and all and this is what I also posted in the EDT

@ about the love lecture ... Let's see this is an era where people don't know a lot about the medical aspect of being infertile! They either feel the girl is bad luck since even today a high amount of Indians do only believe girls are responsible for being fertile and determining gender !
So in those days it's common people believed in these superstitions and even today morally it's not right to kill an unborn child ! So I guess I found it pretty feasible the reason Hamida gave to Jalal abt the curse and about love !

Even today everyday there are numerous studies and debates that is an emotional connect needed in physical love to have a good relationship and same about if one needs to be emotionally healthy to have higher chances of fertility and what not so this is not something concrete hence it's totally ok for 16th century to think of this !

Well some historic group can go with the fact that the great Hamida Banu begum supports emotional connect in child bearing and earn moolah from medical research group !

And what you said about Indian arranged marriages , well that is not the context in which they were discussing ! What love here means love after marriage , after all mohabbat is not something which can only be in a love marriage !

She mostly wanted to tell him to live a relationship with love rather than as a duty or game !
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Thanks, Ritzi, and I am very pleased that the humour of the Kate Moss bit got to you!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: itsRitzi

🤣omg kate moss u r too hilarious

love ur posts

Thank you, my dear.

Yes, Riyya, I too felt that Jodha is becoming static, like a robot going thru the same coy motions. Tiresome. She looks like a bahu out of a regular soap.

Yes, it was dismaying to see the way Jalal twisted that Fatima around to make her confess, but remember that what she was trying to do, to pass off another man's child as the imperial heir (though that to would have been impossible historically) was a gunaah-e-azeem, and he needed to get the truth out of her by hook or by crook. Asking her quietly would never have worked, she would have lied and lied till she was blue in the face.

By the way, what was the Emperor doing even looking at such an ungoodlooking wench?

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: riyya6

ur post 👍🏼...

1. I think JA milan is far far away... 😆... it could turn out to be dream sequences 😆...

2. I really felt for rugaiya yday... shes in a bad state ... even though she has all the powers n all, is she really happy. My heart went to her when Jalal ask her that if it is true that we dun have any child bcoz theres no love. She loves him but cannot convey it to him...

3. Shyamala aunty is it me only, i felf Jodha was in sleeping mode yday... her face n expression n all...😕...She was not pretty much there yday but i felt it like that...😕...

4. N that lady Jalals mum, preaching abt love with rugaiya being around. Im glad she came n help fatima. but plz the reasoning she gave was 😆...

5. N jalal kind of twisted a pregnant lady, OMG 😲.. n Fatima wishing him to find Love someday was 🤣...

6. Both Jalal n Jodha has diff perception on Love , it would be interesting to see their journey of LOVE...😳

7. BK & MA - both are fighing and trying to get rid of one another... but even though one is out, jodha will soon come to the pic to change the equation. Mayb then MA will think, I should have waited n let BK stay, at least now i can join hand with him n destroy Jodha 😆

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Thank you, my dear.

Yes, Riyya, I too felt that Jodha is becoming static, like a robot going thru the same coy motions. Tiresome. She looks like a bahu out of a regular soap.

Yes, it was dismaying to see the way Jalal twisted that Fatima around to make her confess, but remember that what she was trying to do, to pass off another man's child as the imperial heir (though that to would have been impossible historically) was a gunaah-e-azeem, and he needed to get the truth out of her by hook or by crook. Asking her quietly would never have worked, she would have lied and lied till she was blue in the face.

By the way, what was the Emperor doing even looking at such an ungoodlooking wench?

Shyamala Aunty

exactly

Thank you so much, Ameilia.

I loved your take on Ruqaiya - see what a success she is, she makes us all think so deeply about her, and with so much empathy for her situation. She is one of Ekta's real successes, a woman like none other in TV serial land.

I think far too much is made of mohabbat in this serial; it is contrived and ahistorical, but who cares? Not Ekta, that is for sure!

As for Hamida Banu, if Jalal had been throughout with that undertaker's assistant of a mother, he would have become a Hamlet, not an Akbar. She is insufferable with her constant whining and babbling about mohabbat.

As for your last bit about the precap, it is hilarious!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: ameilia

Wonderfully written and hilarious as well👏 😆.

I think that Jalal was more confused at the arithmetic Hamida Banu was lecturing to him.

In order for 2 to become three, two must become one.Jalal was thinking...i never got time to do my Arithmetic lessons because i was busy learning to behead people of Hindustan who were against me😆.

Hamida Banu wants the best for her son.She wants him to find love and for love to somehow change.This coming from a woman whom abandoned Jalal to go with her Husband .I am not saying she was wrong to do that but for a woman who knows the importance of love,being love and to show love she was never there to teach him that.She left him in the hands of MA who took full advantage and brought up Jalal sans any love,any mention of the name love and any other emotions that she thought would render him helpless.Jalal is the way he is because of his parvarish and what he was taught to believe in...to conquer and divide.

Coming to Ruqaiya now.I havent seen the episode yet so i would have to rely on WU for now.

Ruqaiya is in love with Jalal and there is nothing wrong with that.They are childhood friends,husband and wife and emperor and empress.Its really struck me that she never told him about her feelings despite being so confident and so close to him.Ruqaiya is insecure about her place in Jalal's life.She knows he doesnt love her that is why she thinks he has no heart.I mean if he couldnt love her then how can he love someone else beside her?What can that woman give him that she cant?Hence her need to get pregnant and bear the heir to the throne.That would cement her legacy with Jalal and prove to others that she is the ONE.She knows Jalal know anothing about love but what if someone comes into the picture and unintentionally changes Jalal's compass?What if that person unknowingly gives Jalal the one thing he lacks?She knows he doesnt love her but how can she be sure he wont.Thus the need to control his mind.His mind is Ruqaiya's throne but she doesnt not possess that qualities for Jalal that is to rule his heart.

MIND vs heart...present vs future...which path will Jalal choose.The one he is comfortable and known for all these years or the one that holds mysteries and wonders of thrill which he has no idea how to cross.

Edited to Add:About precap it looks like EK is going for a Jungle romance.Maybe Jalal will save Jodha from an animal beside himself and she will promise to return his eyes to the Mughals after she beheads him.Or it can be a typical hit and miss but i feel ur presence kind of scene with bg music.😳

That, my dear, is what is called short and sweet. Very sweet!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Clumsy_Wings

Forgive but I will be a sloth today , and not type too much. As usual I just adore your post. This one of the reason I visit this forum .Thank u..🤗

excellent written up !! t👍🏼thank god HB reached at the correct time n saved farida begum !! jalal called her ammijaan first time 😳waah loved it !! the dialogues which wr for n against on "mohabaat" topic by jalal n jodha wr awsome which shows their different perception on love 😉 !! for a second i really felt bad for RQ !! 😒 but wt to do i love jodha n jalal more eeeksss precap AkDha in one frame i hope it will come tomorrow 😕

My dear,my very dear magical friend,

I decided that today at least I had to stop letting the best - ie my desire to respond to your wonderful comments at length, the way they deserve - become the enemy of the good - ie the kind of shorter but immediate reply I am now sending you.You would not believe it, but I have 2 of your equally well done comments, on my Sheh par mat nahin, and the Coming of Age posts, opened up in my browser, all set for being responded to. They are still there because my time management is lousy, and my wonky left wrist protests, even with a support band, under the strain of a long post the night before and even brief individual responses the next morning to all those good enough to write in.But not this time!

My comments below are in blue. There is no emoticon that I can find for a deep bow of gratitude, so please consider that done. And then here are🤗🤗🤗

Shyamala

Originally posted by: charminggenie

Ah so happy that I am an early bird, missed the episode and was waiting for your magic to put my history loving heart at ease. Big hug for being this amazing and leaving me wanting more every time.

So Jodha and Jalal are lost in a jungle, how in the world does that even happen? Oh i know, in Ekta's world, cinematic liberties and stuff, but still this courtship between Jodha and her two suitors is too soapy and too modern.

You are being too gentle. It is Ridiculous (upper case deliberate). Besides, the coy Jodha is getting to be very boring, in fact irritating. Like a bahu in a regular soap.

I I will love to see both a tiger attacking Jodha and a verbal match between our Royals. Oh the passion, the hatred and maybe this will speed up the Amer war track. A confrontation between Jalal and Jodha without any disguise would be so enchanting , and finally I will get to see the real fire of Jodha. it will be interesting to see how Jalal would react to her and i see Ruqaiya loosing some sleep.

Nothing will speed up anything here, not even the Khan Baba's exit. Think of all those 479 episodes left to be done!

Maha Angha and BK- I empathize with BK though I respect MA more. BK for all his faults has only taken his stature in Jalal's life as granted, he just wants to serve the throne. And a part of him is not letting go of Jalal- the child, hence his inability in transferring the power to the rightful hands. But MA is foxy, her love and loyalty towards Jalal is now very opportunist , she is doing all that for her good for nothing son. She wants to see him as the Emperor. He is her downfall. I dont see anything wrong with a mother's ambitions but as I mentioned before, I would prefer a more subtle game from her not this OTT Ekta vamp mode. What joins these two is that both still take Jalal as the clay in their hands, they wont know when this clay will turn into sand and slip through their fingers. Why do I see a Mecca trip booking and a political battle waiting for jalal .

You are spot on with the highlighted part. That is exactly it - he will slip thru their fingers like sand. This Mahaam Anga is not as good as the frightening Ila Arun in the film, who was like an ascetic, and as rigid and austere. She also taught Jalal politics, so she was sketched differently. I suppose one should be grateful that Ashwini does not open up full throttle, as in her other Balaji outings, and ham away to glory.

I also agree with you wrt Bairam Khan, but only partly. He does not have any vatsalya for Jalal, he sees his as a means of gaining the prestige and power he craves like a drug, and in the process, does not care how much he constantly puts Jalal down, and in public at that. Even now he cannot spot the change in Jalal, from a pliant boy to a clear-headed man. That shows you Bairam Khan's mental limitations.As for Mahaam Anga, I still cannot believe she actually hopes to make her son the Emperor!

You were perfect with the way you described Hamida Begum and Jalal with his love quest. I get why he is so eager for the heir, he is a Mughal who lost his father at a tender age, so he understands that as an Emperor he has to extend his line asap , not for any parental love but more of political security. Refreshing to see that atleast Hamida Begum can " Roko" few things in this Agra Palace, isn't she like the President of India, just a post with hardly any powers.

I agree with your explanation about Jalal's need for an heir asap. I am always open to logic and reason!😉 I think he was halted in his tracks out of formal respect, which he always shows her, but he changed his mind in the end because, deep down, he is afraid that the baddua might make him childless. The worst fears are those that are not acknowledged, and as I wrote, he is not firm in his scepticism and disbelief.

Oh, and there have been Presidents of India who hit back, you know, like Giani Zail Singh with Rajiv Gandhi, using powers that are normally never exercised.

Ruqaiya Begum- This woman has my heart. Such a strong lady and at a young age. She has probably loved Jalal forever. She have crafted herself to suit Jalal. She appears to be cold-hearted but the tears of not being a mother and her desperation to bring Jalal a child shows that under the facade lies a vulnerable Indian woman , who like many in present time , need the tag of motherhood to exert themselves. She gave up on winning Jalal's heart and mastered his mind . She lives and prides on the respect and attention Jalal bestows on her,Her's is going to be one gloomy space when JA paint the country red with their love. Jalal and she are soulmates, not in romantic sense but they are very similar as individuals, here Jodha wold score, she will challenge Jalal rather than appease him unconditionally. Ekta deserves many cookie pts for giving us this character and setting this woman ,from the dusted ages of history, alive. She is an inspiration.

As I have written above and in other threads as well, Ruqaiya is one of Ekta's unexpected triumphs as a character, maybe unplanned, but now like none other in the ranks of TV characters. She is, in her frailties and her suppressed emotionalism, as interesting a personality as Jalal himself. Jodha is never going to be able to even match Ruqaiya, who is straight out of Guy de Maupassant, not to speak of overtaking her.

I extend my humble apologies , I always tend to write more even after your brilliant analysis , its like your words haunt and make me think in more ways than one. And quick appreciation to everyone else who so beautifully give their take on this saga, makes this serial such a joy ride.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. And now my conscience is at rest at long last!

well almost everything in this show is filmy and over the top ...be it the jungle meet or the boat ride romance or jodha visit to the prison or the situation of jodha going to stay with her inlaws before marriage !!!!! in the time where rajput women used to stay in purdah our jodha here is a very modern girl in the just a period setting. Actually i also feel that this jodha doesnt potray a royal attitude the way aishwarya projected in the movie ...there was a control , a theharav in the voice n action of aishwarya which immediately used to convey that she is a royal princess. but paridhi has a beautiful innocent face and with time i feel she will improve. Anyways so just as the voice over says this is a fictitious show we have to digest everything with not pinch but heaps of salt.

coming back to yesterdays epi everything in the prison was shown just to build up the future romance n love between jodha akbar. the makers want to convey us that since akbar falls in love with jodha, she is the only woman who will bear him heir!!! come to think of it in that era the basic role of the woman seems to do everything for her husband bear him sons n cheerfully see him adding more n more women to his harem list.

Ruquaiya condition is tragic. Inspite of being the favourite she has to fight for her position , keep hoping she will bear him son so that her position is undefeatable in her husbands life . moreover being in love but unable to convey it for the fear of being scoffed at and at all times to live in terror dat her husband doesnt fall in love with another woman. uff that is scary...