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Posted: 12 years ago
My dear,

Thank you so much for liking my post.

But as you would see from my response above to blahblahs, I am at odds with this whole haivaan to banaya insaan take on the Jalal-Jodha equation, which I think is being deliberately exaggerated out of all proportion in this serial, by painting Jalal several shades of black, and distancing from the historical Jalal, not to speak of Akbar the Great.

Jalal is a badly emotionally deprived, conflicted and very complex person, and this is what makes him fascinating, as compared to, say, the goody two shoes Suryabhan Singh, who is as flat as a pancake and about as interesting! 😉 He is not evil by any standards, whereas Bairam Khan is, Bairam Khan would never have risked his life to save a servitor like Abdul, but Jalal takes that for granted. It is revealing that Abdul too takes it for granted, which says a lot about Jalal.

I hope they show these complex and varied sides to his personality as the show progresses, instead of this black and white, all too familiar treatment. Rajat deserves that.

Shyamala B.Cowsik


Originally posted by: mysterieux

Thank you so much for making the post!

I do think that this version of Akbar was a tad OTT but despite that Rajat has added the layers which makes me want to cringe at his monstrosity and wish so much that Jodha enters his life and reforms him...so that's a job well done...even if it is a little over the top!

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Posted: 12 years ago
I think Rajat is doing perfectly fine... in fact he's da only reason
am hooked to the show...!!!☺️
nice written there btw...!!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
Firstly a brilliantly put together post by the Topic Maker. A very detailed and perceptive insight behind Ekta's Jalal. So my high regards to the TM and everyone else who participated with some really stimulating posts, so much so I couldn't resist and give my humble two cents.

Akbar has always been a very enigmatic an prolific ruler of India, Time rightly acknowledged him as one of the Top 25 world leaders. His impact on modern India is huge. He remains a very formidable symbol of secularism in India. A brave and fearless leader who never shied from taking the enemies on his own, to a man who believe in happy religious co-existence and ofcourse a very able administrator.

I personally feel it was his birth in UmarKot which sowed the seeds of tolerance and humanity in him. I strongly believe he has a fondness for everything Rajputana, after all they shaped him in more ways than one. So a dramatized version of him being heartless is though inaccurate but i guess the show is not about Akbar the ruler but about Jodha's Akbar, a man in love, just like the movie. So , I don't see anything particularly wrong with Ekta's character sketch.

In the same breath , it was in his latter years that we saw a magnificent ruler and an Emperor with an incredible foresight. He abolished sati, legalized widow marriage and himself turned into a vegetarian, so it does show that he was greatly influenced after his marriage, whether it was Jodha's role or his famous friendships with the Rajputs.

To the serial, I have been fortunate to see Rajat's portral as PC, which to me remains a very well made and acted historical show of Indian television , probably at par with Tipu Sultan. So , I was assured of good performance and I am glad he is doing a really remarkable job, he got the mannerism and the staunch so right, the real Jalal walked with a limb inspite of no such handicap and the smirk emphasizes the cunning ruler . RT brings a right amount of flamboyance and grace to the Akbar inspite of the loud Production bling. His scenes with Abdul, his mother in particular displays the range this guy has. Akbar went on to really adore his birth mother, so I cannot wait to see this transformation ( though I am sure in this serial, it will be Jodha's doing).

My main disapproval lies with the Rajputs , there is a haste and lack of royalty in terms of acting as well as the general representation. Apart from the Jodha, played really nicely by Parinidhi, rest are not able to grasp the historical parts, I cannot help but compare it with the men and women featured in that M. Pratap show, maybe the comparison is due to the fact that the'r story is more about the Rajputana shaan than a Rajputana compromise, but a little bit of restrain in terms of acting and direction would be appreciated.

So like I mentioned it is Ekta's Jodha-Akbar, a romantic take, hence the beauty and the beast running theme. I dont have a problem with that until they take away the brilliance of Akar on his own, his merits as a ruler and not henpeck him as a lover-sick romeo. Let Jodha be the prominent force of change but allow Akbar to reach his conclusion on his own.

I think the production value would increase post the marriage, let it not be all schemes and plotting , let it be a true symbol of tolerance not only in terms of society but in terms of Akbar's personal harem too , so not much of triangles.

Lastly, Hrithik's Akbar was far too crowd pleasing reformed man at 19 while Rajat has a chance to showcase the entire journey . RT's Akbar is physically very similar to the real one which many will find hard to agree with after being wowed by the body flexing Hrithik but give this boy a bit of change and some screen time, I am sure his Akbar will grow, like a charming ruffian.

Looking forward to many more interesting takes on this saga and again a brilliant post👏



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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: sashashyam

I agree completely with all that you have said here. I too am very hopeful about this serial. .

The much longer time span available to the TV director can be a great advantage if used well, as you have noted. That was why the director of Yashraj TV's superb Powder held out till he got a TV series, and would not compress it into a film. He wanted and needed to spread himself, and he spread himself to very good effect. I hope it will be the same here. But if the time is not properly used, one will end up with a historical soap.

But apart from this Jalal being more 'hard core' there is something else here that is not so good.They seem to want to show Jodha as some sort of guardian angel, who changed a bloodthirsty Jalal into an insaan. To highlight this approach, they began by showing Jalal like a sort of cross between the ruthless plundering invaders, Mahmud of Ghazni and Mohammed Ghori, rather than as the son of Humayun and the grandson of Babar. At one point, the commentator was actually citing the enemy soldiers Jalal killed on the battlefield as evidence of his unwarranted cruelty! What did he think a warrior does to his enemies, perform their aarti? It was totally ridiculous and biased.

Jodha, in contrast, was introduced running a 400 metre dash to save a pigeon. The commetator went on to eulogise her as a prem aur daya ki murti. This same girl then goes to a Kali mandir, and worships the goddess, and then emerges after the attack on the temple (which I am sure Jalal never knew about) and takes violent oaths about getting Jalal's head. This is not described as being bloodthirsty, of course, for a guardian angel cannot, by definition, be anything but sweetness and light!😉

The fact is that Jodha is a princess from a warrior race, and she too has violence in her genes, whence her violent pronouncements.. The Rajputs were generally busy fighting among themselves and it was their chronic disunity that allowed outsiders to make inroads into their land.

Then again, Jalal was born in a Rajput kingdom,Umarkot, and spent some years there and later in a Rajput kingdom in present day Madhya Pradesh. This gave him the familiarity with the Rajput psyche that enabled him, even early in his reign, to win them over and make them the pillars of his empire.

Here, however, he is shown thinking and talking of the Rajputs as if they were an alien race to which he is unremittingly hostile. This again is deliberate, meant to deepen the dark shades in Jalal's character, and to make out that Jodha's eventual contribution in taming and reforming such a supposedly harsh personality was that much greater.

This approach seems to me to be artificial and excessive, besides being historically incorrect. Akbar was wise and had, very early on, a maturity far beyond his years, and there is no evidence that he needed any guardian angel. But as there is no copyright on Akbar, it is open house and anyone can depict him any way he/she wants!

I hope they tone this slant down as the show progresses, and show the constant emotional deprivation that Jalal suffered from all his life, as also the gentler side of him, as when he tends to the battered Abdul today, so patiently and with so much care. That will enrich the characterisation, and make the show a much better watch for all of us.

Shyamala B.Cowsik



Yes, I agree with you.The only problem I see, is the potrayal of Jodha as good, noble and generous, and Akbar asa cruel,haughty king.The contrast is little bit more to digest thinking one has an angel and the other an evil, as they say in their trailor,KAISE BANAYEGI JODHA AKBAR KO JAANWAR SE INSAAN, something like that.Actually, the directors want to show prominently the reforms in Akbar due to Jodha's entry in his life, but I feel to show that they don't need to potray akbar as taimur,mohammad gauri or so.So, Its really a bit more artificial and excessive as beforehand, we have an image of Akbar, being one of the best and just mughal emperors.
However, since this is a love story and not a biopic on Akbar, plus this is not a 3 hr movie, but a tv show where one has to picturize so many episodes, so one has to add more fiction to it. And I don't think that any of the periodic shows on tv these days stick to just history, in fact not not on history but on folklore
Still, hopefully, in coming days, we may get to see the other aspects of Akbar as well, as in the today's episode, his care and concern for Abdul. His scenes with mahamanga are also much awaited, and so with his first wife Rukhaiya begum. I just wish that Rajat gets the opportunity to show the other angles of his talents too, like he displayed his sword skills today.

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Posted: 12 years ago
My pleasure Ms. Shyamala!..I am a history buff too!!...with ekta I expect varying degrees of distortion😆...but i do hope they peel akbar's character layer by layer..in all of this... I too am looking forward to it 😃
Hope to see you on your next post😃

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear,

Thank you so much for liking my post.

But as you would see from my response above to blahblahs, I am at odds with this whole haivaan to banaya insaan take on the Jalal-Jodha equation, which I think is being deliberately exaggerated out of all proportion in this serial, by painting Jalal several shades of black, and distancing from the historical Jalal, not to speak of Akbar the Great.

Jalal is a badly emotionally deprived, conflicted and very complex person, and this is what makes him fascinating, as compared to, say, the goody two shoes Suryabhan Singh, who is as flat as a pancake and about as interesting! 😉 He is not evil by any standards, whereas Bairam Khan is, Bairam Khan would never have risked his life to save a servitor like Abdul, but Jalal takes that for granted. It is revealing that Abdul too takes it for granted, which says a lot about Jalal.

I hope they show these complex and varied sides to his personality as the show progresses, instead of this black and white, all too familiar treatment. Rajat deserves that.

Shyamala B.Cowsik


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Posted: 12 years ago
My dear,

Your comments @blue are very apt, and as for the last part, why I too hope so,very much!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: fragrance18


Yes, I agree with you.The only problem I see, is the potrayal of Jodha as good, noble and generous, and Akbar asa cruel,haughty king.The contrast is little bit more to digest thinking one has an angel and the other an evil, as they say in their trailor,KAISE BANAYEGI JODHA AKBAR KO JAANWAR SE INSAAN, something like that.Actually, the directors want to show prominently the reforms in Akbar due to Jodha's entry in his life, but I feel to show that they don't need to potray akbar as taimur,mohammad gauri or so.So, Its really a bit more artificial and excessive as beforehand, we have an image of Akbar, being one of the best and just mughal emperors.

However, since this is a love story and not a biopic on Akbar, plus this is not a 3 hr movie, but a tv show where one has to picturize so many episodes, so one has to add more fiction to it. And I don't think that any of the periodic shows on tv these days stick to just history, in fact not not on history but on folklore
Still, hopefully, in coming days, we may get to see the other aspects of Akbar as well, as in the today's episode, his care and concern for Abdul. His scenes with mahamanga are also much awaited, and so with his first wife Rukhaiya begum. I just wish that Rajat gets the opportunity to show the other angles of his talents too, like he displayed his sword skills today.



Originally posted by: sashashyam

I agree completely with all that you have said here. I too am very hopeful about this serial. .


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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: sashashyam


I think the selection of this young man to play Jalaluddin Mohammed Akbar was one of Ekta's casting coups.


First of all, Jalal here is 19 or 20 years old. He has been the Emperor since he was 13. How on earth can one cast a more mature actor? It would be totally unsuitable.

Second, Rajat has the one intangible quality needed to play a young emperor. He has presence. This is something that is either there or not there; it cannot be taught. He looks every inch a king, one born to command, one born to rule. A couple of inches more in height would have been even better, but it does not matter, and Akbar was not tall in any case.

^ I totally second your opinion.. There is no need of a dispute over the selection of Rajat as Akbar, because he is really doing a nice job.. And it takes time to get into the skin of a character, I'm sure he will do even better gradually.. 😊

As for the rigidity that seems to be the major cause for complaint, one has to take into account the character to be played. This is a young man who has his world at his feet. So arrogance comes naturally to him, as also the attitude of one who habitually dominates lesser mortals. The stance, the hands behind his back (exactly like the great Dilip Kumar playing Prince Salim in Mughal-e-Azam, incidentally), the slow walk to pick up Jodha's payal, the way he picks it up, with a slight hesitation before he does so, it is all part of the consciousness of being a Mughal ruler.

Jalal is not used to bending at all, for anything or anyone. It would normally never occur to him to stoop and pick up a girl's payal as a token. Women have always been his to take as he chose, he would never dream of chasing any of them. Still he picks it up, which means a lot more than the same gesture would with an ordinary man.

^ I never thought that Rajat was being stiff, I thought it was just a part of being a shahenshah, but now as you have described the reason behind it so thoroughly that I think the confusions about his acting will be cleared now.. And as I remember Hrithik Roshan in "jodha akbar" also used to keep his hands behind the back.. It's not about being stiff.. It's more like a sign of pride..

He does not kiss the payal as any ordinary lover would. It would be not be like the Shahenshah at all. He tosses it up in the air, but he always catches it, and when it falls into the fire, he burns his hand to retrieve it. This is not so much, as some have thought, a sign of passion for Jodha. He is not yet aware that he is falling in love with her, he does not know what love means. It is rather the possessiveness towards her that, as the line has it, uske parvaan chad gaya tha. For him, the payal symbolizes Jodha, and he will not let go of it or her, even if he has to burn his fingers to secure it.

^ And here I thought Jalal was being romantic and possessive and what not!!! 😆 I have so much to learn about human emotions 😆

It all comes thru beautifully, and far from being unnaturally rigid, it is all spot on for who Jalal is.

Jalal sneers so often because his whole approach to life and to most others is sardonic; he has never had to adjust to anyone at any time. His mirthless smile just before meting out punishment is terrifying, and in his interaction with Sharifuddin, when the latter tries to get him to take rest, he is all smooth menace. Perhaps the sneer is too pronounced at times, but that is a matter of degree, and not too serious.

Rajat has deep set eyes, so I cannot see how such eyes can be 'bulging'. They gleam in their depths when he gets close to another and sneers, and the whole effect is meant to put the interlocutor off balance. It might seem overdone at places, but in an Indian TV show, where hamming is the rule and not the exception, it seems to me that the complaints on this score are excessive.

^ Absolutely!!! His eyes has the correct depth to portray the emotions correctly, If we are getting to see his sneering face more often that is because of the not so good editing. They are using the same expression over and over, maybe to get an instant impact.. common in all Ekta's serial 😆

Surely one does not see a Dilip Kumar or an Amitabh Bachchan or a Balraj Sahni on TV these days? At least I have not seen any. Male leads in most TV serials are routinely shortchanged in what is basically a woman's medium.

This one might be the exception, though the scriptwriter seems to be confusing the young Jalal with either Mahmud of Ghazni or Mohammed Ghori, given to ransacking temples for the jewellery and abducting any female within reach. Probably this was done to give Jodha that much more credit for reforming him. But it is historically totally inaccurate. Akbar was born in a Rajput kingdom where his father had taken asylum while on flight from Sher Shah Suri, and he spent his early years among the Rajputs. It was this exposure to a different culture that shaped the broadmindedness of his policies towards the Rajputs and towards Hindus as a whole once he had begun to set his own course.

^Exactly what I thought and mentioned in my post earlier.. The scriptwriters are not doing their homeworks well.. 😆

To sum up, nothing is really lacking. It is not the actor's fault, and not even the director's. Rather Rajat's performance is related to how Jalal the Emperor is visualized and developed. He is now part an arrogant warrior, used to victory, and part an impulsive young man, following a desire of the heart that he does not as yet understand, and struggling with unfamiliar emotions.

^ 👏

Of course Rajat is not perfect, but then what is perfection? There were those who criticized Dilip Kumar's Prince Salim in Mughal-e-Azam as being too, what else, stiff. They wanted him to be like Pradeep Kumar in Anarkali, a besotted lover dragging himself all over the ground to get to Anarkali. But then Mughal-e-Azam is a classic, and Anarkali has been long forgotten!

^ 👏 👏

Shyamala B.Cowsik


And thank you very much for making this post and enlightening us.. It was much needed at this time to solve the dispute that was going on here for a long time.. I hope from now on everyone here will approach the flaws in the show positively and rationally. considering that I'm also a history lover I was unhappy at first when I saw that they were not keeping the story true to the facts, but as there was a disclaimer already about the show having fictional elements, so there was no reason for me to be sulky. since then I'm being very positive about the show, without complaint 😆
Thanks again 😊


@To All: This is a daily soap and let's accept it that there will be issues regarding the production. We may have to compromise with the quality, but as far as the acting is concerned, all are doing great job. let's not blame the fault of the scriptwriters and the editors on the actors.. 😊
Edited by Dikshi92 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
Sashashyam,

I couldn't agree more! I was also a little surprised with this director's portrayal of Jalal. He does indeed seem unrealistically cruel. As far as Jodha is concerned, she also seems to be some sort of a "guardian angel." For example, she approached her father--a King--to break off her marriage with Suryabhan for her the sake of her sister's infatuation. That struck me as being overly "mahan."

Anyhow, I think the director's trying to point out how confused Jalal really was due to the strong, polarized influences of Maham Anga and Bairam Khan. He was sad, deprived of love; this very loneliness resulted in cruelty and made him the frenetic warrior he was ie. chopping of soldiers' heads.

Let's now see how the director develops the character further!
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Posted: 12 years ago
Thank you so much!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

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Dear Dikshi,

What can I say about such warm comments but that I am flattered and pleased? And all the supplementary remarks you have made here are very apt and to the point.

Shyamala B.Cowsik


Originally posted by: Dikshi92


And thank you very much for making this post and enlightening us.. It was much needed at this time to solve the dispute that was going on here for a long time.. I hope from now on everyone here will approach the flaws in the show positively and rationally. considering that I'm also a history lover I was unhappy at first when I saw that they were not keeping the story true to the facts, but as there was a disclaimer already about the show having fictional elements, so there was no reason for me to be sulky. since then I'm being very positive about the show, without complaint 😆
Thanks again 😊


@To All: This is a daily soap and let's accept it that there will be issues regarding the production. We may have to compromise with the quality, but as far as the acting is concerned, all are doing great job. let's not blame the fault of the scriptwriters and the editors on the actors.. 😊

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